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Sep 10, 2021 11:11:26   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
You got a lot of advice for cloning apps but nothing really useful for your situation. You will probably need to reinstall Lightroom but if you still have the catalog file and all the image files all you need to do is import the catalog into Lightroom and it should be back to normal.

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Sep 10, 2021 11:21:13   #
no12mo
 
Dave Flash wrote:
A recent startup of my windows 10 computer completely shutdown. Windows offered an attempt to repair itself but to no avail.
A windows boot disk was created to reboot windows and a clean version was installed. My data was spared, however all of the programs, specifically Lightroom 6, PS4, PS Elements now reside in a file named windows.old. Does anyone have a recommended procedure to recover my Lightroom organization or do I have to start all over?
A newbie to the forum so please be kind.


Look into CLONING your drive. It's a little more work if your machine is a laptop but I've done it.

A real simple method is drive duplication as opposed to using installed software. Do a search on Amazon "drive duplicator."

I got this result: Sabrent USB 3.0 to SATA I/II/III Dual Bay External Hard Drive Docking Station for 2.5 or 3.5in HDD, SSD with Hard Drive Duplicator/Cloner Function

The result is a drive that you can swap and you get everything you had at the time of duplication. Saves a lot of headaches.

Just a note from "SuperflyTNT" - never had that problem with drive duplication. A friend of mine steered me toward drive duplication after he had exactly the problem about losing product key / registration. No problems after switching to the duplication process

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Sep 10, 2021 11:33:09   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
no12mo wrote:
Look into CLONING your drive. It's a little more work if your machine is a laptop but I've done it.

A real simple method is drive duplication as opposed to using installed software. Do a search on Amazon "drive duplicator."

I got this result: Sabrent USB 3.0 to SATA I/II/III Dual Bay External Hard Drive Docking Station for 2.5 or 3.5in HDD, SSD with Hard Drive Duplicator/Cloner Function

The result is a drive that you can swap and you get everything you had at the time of duplication. Saves a lot of headaches.

Just a note from "SuperflyTNT" - never had that problem with drive duplication. A friend of mine steered me toward drive duplication after he had exactly the problem about losing product key / registration. No problems after switching to the duplication process
Look into CLONING your drive. It's a little more ... (show quote)


There’s no point in cloning the drive after the fact! He’s not moving to a new drive. He had a new OS installed and needs to reinstall his programs.

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Sep 10, 2021 12:17:10   #
Bill_R Loc: Southeastern Wisconsin
 
11bravo wrote:
My condolences, just take this as a lesson learned (and I've learned plenty due to negative incentives).

For your reference, if a computer is POWERED off before a shutdown completes, disk corruption can occur (been there, done that). A boot disk will allow access to other recovery tools before a nuclear clean install.

1. I recently found out that windows automatically creates restore points when it updates or when other criteria are met. It recently restored my notebook that I "fingered" somehow and while windows would boot, it said it didn't have my profile so my personalizations (windows and programs) were gone. Jumping back to a restore point solved the problem rather quickly rather than a restore from backup (though I will say, from practice, I have LIMITED faith in restore points).

2. For the future (and perhaps the past), get a free copy of Macrium Reflect and create an image of your drive on another drive (external fine). Now the working windows is saved. Then see if you can go back to the corrupted version (undo the fix), and try restore points. However, if you did a clean install, the corrupted version might be gone. Hopefully you have your installation media and serial numbers available for the "old" programs. No disrespect, but a "clean install" is the solution of last resort.

Once you have an image, with periodic updates (Macrium does that), when (not if) a problem occurs, it's straightforward to reinstall the old image and everything is as it was, minus the changes since the last backup. Has saved my a** a number of times (even with something as simple as a config change that didn't go as planned - easier to restore than try and backtrack).

https://www.macrium.com/reflectfree

Once everything is reinstalled, a number of programs that will collect your software keys, or at least a lot of them. I've used Belarc Advisor:

https://www.belarc.com/products_belarc_advisor
My condolences, just take this as a lesson learned... (show quote)


Excellent advice!

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Sep 10, 2021 13:23:37   #
pego101
 
JBRIII wrote:
For the future, there is a software package called Acronis which will allows you to make mirror images of the entire disk for reloading everything, including programs on a new drive.

In my opinion Macrium reflect is much better than acronis and macrium has a free version
I image my main drive 2tb once a month

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Sep 10, 2021 20:29:07   #
profbowman Loc: Harrisonburg, VA, USA
 
Just to clarify a few things that have been suggested. First, any backup software also has the capabilities of making an image of the present OS. You do not need to download new free or commercial software to do that. And be aware that a system image and a file backup are two different things. A regular backup will be searchable, and you can restore one or more files as you choose.

On the other hand, the system image is not searchable (as someone implied here). As pointed out in a Microsoft community discussion in January, "The system image is very useful.... A disadvantage of this type of backup is that it cannot be used for selective file restoration. You can only use it when you need a complete restoration of your entire Windows drive." A system image is a bit-for-bit copy of your installed Windows OS and operating programs.

I often do not make a system image since I am fine with finding the newest versions of my favorite programs and re-installing them. But you must have registered all your programs so that the authoring entities know that you have a valid copy and will gladly let you get the latest installers.

Windows 10 has a number of built-in error checking routines. To check your memory, click on the search icon near or in the Start button and type in "windows memory diagnostic." Follow the recommended restarting of your computer. To check a drive, visit "This PC" and right-click on the drive. Click on the tab, "Tools," and follow the instructions for finding errors and fixing them. --Richard

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Sep 10, 2021 20:47:35   #
11bravo
 
profbowman wrote:
Just to clarify a few things that have been suggested. First, any backup software also has the capabilities of making an image of the present OS. You do not need to download new free or commercial software to do that. And be aware that a system image and a file backup are two different things. A regular backup will be searchable, and you can restore one or more files as you choose.

On the other hand, the system image is not searchable (as someone implied here). As pointed out in a Microsoft community discussion in January, "The system image is very useful.... A disadvantage of this type of backup is that it cannot be used for selective file restoration. You can only use it when you need a complete restoration of your entire Windows drive." A system image is a bit-for-bit copy of your installed Windows OS and operating programs.

I often do not make a system image since I am fine with finding the newest versions of my favorite programs and re-installing them. But you must have registered all your programs so that the authoring entities know that you have a valid copy and will gladly let you get the latest installers.

Windows 10 has a number of built-in error checking routines. To check your memory, click on the search icon near or in the Start button and type in "windows memory diagnostic." Follow the recommended restarting of your computer. To check a drive, visit "This PC" and right-click on the drive. Click on the tab, "Tools," and follow the instructions for finding errors and fixing them. --Richard
Just to clarify a few things that have been sugges... (show quote)
Macrium Reflect allows you to mount the image file and browse it with a windows-explorer-like interface. This explorer-like interface is searchable just like a windows explorer search (though it is not searchable by an "external" program like Everything). Individual files are accessible and can be inspected (e.g. a jpg with Irfanview) and copied to another drive.

Drive I is the Macrium mounted drive (from another computer even)
Drive I is the Macrium mounted drive (from another...
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Sep 10, 2021 21:04:25   #
pego101
 
11bravo wrote:
Macrium Reflect allows you to mount the image file and browse it with a windows-explorer-like interface. This explorer-like interface is searchable just like a windows explorer search (though it is not searchable by an "external" program like Everything). Individual files are accessible and can be inspected (e.g. a jpg with Irfanview) and copied to another drive.

Totally correct.
There are so many things wrong with prof boman's post that it would be exhausting to try. For example a backup program will not create a bootable image macrium does that

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Sep 10, 2021 22:36:43   #
profbowman Loc: Harrisonburg, VA, USA
 
pego101 wrote:
Totally correct.
There are so many things wrong with prof boman's post that it would be exhausting to try. For example a backup program will not create a bootable image macrium does that


OK, I was assuming that the OP sounded like they were not real tech savvy. In fact, most of my acquaintances who consider that they know their way around a Windows computer to use MS Word, save files, work with family photos, search the Internet would never understand what I meant by mounting a drive nor making a drive bootable. So, yes, programs other than Win 10 backup or the backup software that comes with external drives do extra things. But does the OP really want to do all those? Having worked with Unix and Linux, I know these terms, but I cannot recall in all my decades of using Windows OS's having ever done any of these with Windows.

And by the way, the image of a directory posted by 11bravo does not show the insides of a system image. It only shows the file structure for the folder Public Pictures. The System Image includes such files as System, Windows, etc.

For persons who only know their Windows computers, might it not be simpler to create a system repair USB flash drive and a system image file by using Windows itself and then installing the Windows Recovery Environment from the USB drive which then access the system image to reinstall Windows? This is with no special software additions nor cost. --Richard

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Sep 10, 2021 22:43:46   #
pego101
 
Let me clarify I am referring to a bootable clone of the original drive which can be searched like the original drive. BTW the reason I prefer macrium it clones a gpt drive better than acronis on my past experience

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Sep 10, 2021 23:28:45   #
profbowman Loc: Harrisonburg, VA, USA
 
pego101 wrote:
Let me clarify I am referring to a bootable clone of the original drive which can be searched like the original drive. BTW the reason I prefer macrium it clones a gpt drive better than acronis on my past experience

Yes, I understand but to boot another OS (a clone) in this case while one has another system runing on the same computer, Macrium Reflect or other software must set up a virtual machine within the orginal OS and operator from there. If the system completely crashes and needs replacing then this bootable close could be copied to the original computer, I'm sure. But as I said, this is all more complicated than I thought the newbie was asking for. Plus, the system image is not searchable unless one installs it in a virtual machine. Thus, by itself it is not searchable in the way that a file system backup is. --Richard

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Sep 11, 2021 00:04:49   #
pego101
 
profbowman wrote:
Yes, I understand but to boot another OS (a clone) in this case while one has another system runing on the same computer, Macrium Reflect or other software must set up a virtual machine within the orginal OS and operator from there. If the system completely crashes and needs replacing then this bootable close could be copied to the original computer, I'm sure. But as I said, this is all more complicated than I thought the newbie was asking for. Plus, the system image is not searchable unless one installs it in a virtual machine. Thus, by itself it is not searchable in the way that a file system backup is. --Richard
Yes, I understand but to boot another OS (a clone)... (show quote)


This is not the case. Macrium reflect will clone Drive C internal to another Drive external via a USB to sata adapter in real time no restart. When complete I use Zentimo to unmount the external clone drive and save it. Done. No virtual anything totally simple. In case something happens to the boot drive I would just replace the drive with the most recent clone.

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Sep 11, 2021 00:39:41   #
profbowman Loc: Harrisonburg, VA, USA
 
pego101 wrote:
This is not the case. Macrium reflect will clone Drive C internal to another Drive external via a USB to sata adapter in real time no restart. When complete I use Zentimo to unmount the external clone drive and save it. Done. No virtual anything totally simple. In case something happens to the boot drive I would just replace the drive with the most recent clone.

This will be my last comment since I am not making myself clear. I checked the Macrium site to make sure I was correct to begin with. It says that the system image is searchable and bootable in a virtual machine. I am sure that creating the Macrium Reflect system image does not require any special software, and I was not claiming it did. I was not referring to restoring data from an image file either. I was only talking about what happens when one needs to use the system image to restore a corrupted and useless Windows OS. --Richard

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Sep 11, 2021 01:48:45   #
Laramie Loc: Tempe
 
If you keep making System Clones (which you will need to do after major updates, etc, eventually you will clone a suspect system. Back up files, use portable apps, then reinstall Windows if necessary. It doesn't take very long.

My .02

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Sep 11, 2021 02:27:09   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
Jeez all you people are getting deep in the weeds on cloning drives when it has nothing to do with helping the OP solve his problem.

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