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Jul 22, 2021 10:15:39   #
RixPix Loc: Miami, Florida
 
halraiser wrote:
I'm not anxious to start anything political, but it appears that Kodak is kowtowing to the Chinese rulers. "The American company Eastman Kodak has deleted an Instagram post featuring images of Xinjiang, a western Chinese region where the government is accused of grave human rights violations, after an online backlash from Beijing’s supporters."

It is well-known that China continues to commit atrocities against minorities in that region. I find it obscene that any American company would allow Xi's supporters to censor speech here.

https://dnyuz.com/2021/07/21/kodak-deletes-post-by-photographer-who-called-xinjiang-an-orwellian-dystopia/
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I didn’t realize Kodak was still in business.

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Jul 22, 2021 10:56:36   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
How about a Buycot. Buy a digital camera.

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Jul 22, 2021 12:06:48   #
halraiser
 
I agree that I wish we could stop buying made in China stuff. However, I see a difference between buying what their people make and allowing a foreign tyrant to interfere with free expression in this country. Freedom and progress depend on free expression and if we allow a tyrant to interfere with them, we will lose both freedom and progress.

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Jul 22, 2021 13:20:52   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
halraiser wrote:
I agree that I wish we could stop buying made in China stuff. However, I see a difference between buying what their people make and allowing a foreign tyrant to interfere with free expression in this country. Freedom and progress depend on free expression and if we allow a tyrant to interfere with them, we will lose both freedom and progress.


But when you buy what they make or buy from companies that distribute goods made in China or have their goods manufactured there (which includes everyone from Nikon to Walmart), you contribute to the success of the c*******t regime and that keeps them in power. Kodak wrote one critical post and took it down (for wh**ever reason), but the other ten thousand companies never post anything critical in the first place. Want to boycott Nikon, because some of their lenses/cameras are made in China and NEVER criticize China’s human rights policies? The fact apparently is that the American consumer and the companies that sell to them care more about low price than morality.

And another comment on Kodak. Let’s not be so quick to dismiss a company that made photography possible for a large percentage of photographers on UHH over the age of 30. You were likely shooting Kodak film, perhaps in a Kodak camera, which was being developed in Kodak chemistry, and if you built a darkroom, you may have used the Kodak book “how to build a home darkroom”. You used a Kodak dataguide to develop and print, under Kodak safelights and printed on Kodak paper. Let’s not forget so quickly what Kodak has contributed to photography and where many of us got our start, shooting TriX, Ektachrome, Kodachrome, etc. and how many of our iconic photographs have been taken on those films and developed/printed on Kodak products. Let’s remember that and not be quite so ready to throw them under the bus.

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Jul 22, 2021 19:06:11   #
Steven Loc: So. Milwaukee, WI.
 
Doesn't anyone "have a pair" anymore? We shouldnt be giving in to the chinks, their supporters, those in government who work with/for them, or anyone else. Since when has America become the p@#$y of the world? They gave the world a v***s and not a soul did anything. They stole our tech and stuff to make themselves a big country on this blue marble, but nothing was done. Come on Americans, open your eyes and see whats right in front of you, and its not nice. Want to start somewhere? Start with that 80 year old v***s who runs those puppets in congress, Pelosi and her weasels. And if this offends any snowflakes out there, eat my shorts, I don't wanna hear it from you.

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Jul 22, 2021 19:09:56   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 
Boycotting does no good what so ever because so few own so much.

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Jul 23, 2021 01:06:10   #
MDI Mainer
 
TriX wrote:
. . . And another comment on Kodak. Let’s not be so quick to dismiss a company that made photography possible for a large percentage of photographers on UHH over the age of 30. You were likely shooting Kodak film, perhaps in a Kodak camera, which was being developed in Kodak chemistry, and if you built a darkroom, you may have used the Kodak book “how to build a home darkroom”. You used a Kodak dataguide to develop and print, under Kodak safelights and printed on Kodak paper. Let’s not forget so quickly what Kodak has contributed to photography and where many of us got our start, shooting TriX, Ektachrome, Kodachrome, etc. and how many of our iconic photographs have been taken on those films and developed/printed on Kodak products. Let’s remember that and not be quite so ready to throw them under the bus.
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I for one am not dismissing Kodak's contribution to making photography popular and accessible to the general public and to providing necessary tools and supplies to the profession. But this company did make strategically disastrous decisions which led to it's bankruptcy and reorganization. I recently read that company officials did not take the threat of price and quality competition from Fuji seriously because "they did not believe Americans would buy Japanese films." So my comments are as much a lament that this venerable company threw itself under the bus as a critical assessment. BTW my first camera -- a blue Brownie Starflash -- was a birthday gift from my parents when I was 9 years old so I have fond memories of Kodak (as well as several photo albums and Carousel slide trays), but they are only memories.

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Jul 23, 2021 09:45:54   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
MDI Mainer wrote:
I for one am not dismissing Kodak's contribution to making photography popular and accessible to the general public and to providing necessary tools and supplies to the profession. But this company did make strategically disastrous decisions which led to it's bankruptcy and reorganization. I recently read that company officials did not take the threat of price and quality competition from Fuji seriously because "they did not believe Americans would buy Japanese films." So my comments are as much a lament that this venerable company threw itself under the bus as a critical assessment. BTW my first camera -- a blue Brownie Starflash -- was a birthday gift from my parents when I was 9 years old so I have fond memories of Kodak (as well as several photo albums and Carousel slide trays), but they are only memories.
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I agree. And of course Kodak actually had a working crude digital camera early on, but did not aggressively pursue marketing the concept. History is littered with the remains of companies that missed a technology/paradigm shift or rev. In the computer world, previous powerhouses such as Sun, DEC, Data General and Intergraph come to mind.

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Jul 23, 2021 10:54:27   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
soba1 wrote:
Boycotting does no good what so ever because so few own so much.


That's why I said 'buycott'. Go out and buy a non-Kodak digital camera.

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Jul 23, 2021 10:56:37   #
MDI Mainer
 
But some adapt and survive -- e.g., Sony and the Betamax vs. VHS battle with JVC!

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Jul 23, 2021 10:58:26   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
Steven wrote:
Doesn't anyone "have a pair" anymore? We shouldnt be giving in to the chinks, their supporters, those in government who work with/for them, or anyone else. Since when has America become the p@#$y of the world? They gave the world a v***s and not a soul did anything. They stole our tech and stuff to make themselves a big country on this blue marble, but nothing was done. Come on Americans, open your eyes and see whats right in front of you, and its not nice. Want to start somewhere? Start with that 80 year old v***s who runs those puppets in congress, Pelosi and her weasels. And if this offends any snowflakes out there, eat my shorts, I don't wanna hear it from you.
Doesn't anyone "have a pair" anymore? W... (show quote)


Liberals here have a pair of marbles down there. Upstairs it's just squishy mush. But they march in lock-step with their leaders. You have to give them that.

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Jul 23, 2021 11:05:17   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
Steven wrote:
Doesn't anyone "have a pair" anymore? We shouldnt be giving in to the chinks, their supporters, those in government who work with/for them, or anyone else. Since when has America become the p@#$y of the world? They gave the world a v***s and not a soul did anything. They stole our tech and stuff to make themselves a big country on this blue marble, but nothing was done. Come on Americans, open your eyes and see whats right in front of you, and its not nice. Want to start somewhere? Start with that 80 year old v***s who runs those puppets in congress, Pelosi and her weasels. And if this offends any snowflakes out there, eat my shorts, I don't wanna hear it from you.
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"Chinks"? Thank you for once again telling us who you really are.

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Jul 23, 2021 11:47:42   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 
Fotoartist wrote:
That's why I said 'buycott'. Go out and buy a non-Kodak digital camera.



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