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Jul 19, 2021 12:46:35   #
Kleinburg Kid Loc: Toronto, Ontario
 
Has anyone out there used this setting, which appears to be a JPEG equivalent to RAW? If so, what is your impression of it?

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Jul 19, 2021 12:55:01   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Waste of time.

RAW from your D7500 is 12-bit or 14-bit with no colorspace limitations.

Any JPEG is 8-bit with all the rich color potential discarded from the sensor and the data packed into one of two colorspaces and limited to 2^8 color channels for Red, Green and Blue.

No version of JPEG any sort of equivalent of RAW.

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Jul 19, 2021 13:12:20   #
Ysarex Loc: St. Louis
 
Kleinburg Kid wrote:
Has anyone out there used this setting, which appears to be a JPEG equivalent to RAW? If so, what is your impression of it?


If you're going to create a JPEG in camera then make it as good as you can in camera. The tacit implication in that is you're creating a JPEG for editing. In reality yes, most JPEGs need to be edited to achieve the best final image but if you're not going to let the camera do it's part of that job what's the point?

JPEG equivalent to RAW? Not even laughably close.

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Jul 19, 2021 13:15:06   #
Thomas902 Loc: Washington DC
 
"...No version of JPEG any sort of equivalent of RAW..." Paul is spot on here...

If you actually want to see what "FLAT" can do open an NEF file in Camera RAW; Go to Tone Curve and change the "Default" Medium Contrast to Linear... Bingo! you now have a FLAT image... The D7500 will do this for you if you choose FLAT in Picture Control. But why bother... Always shoot in RAW if you are serious about PP (Post Processing)

btw anytime you boost contrast you have the potential to "Clip" either hightlights and/or shadows. A FLAT setting can minimize "Clipping"

That said you can (and should) convert any .jpeg to 16 bits per channel the moment you bring it into PS.
Under Image; Mode; 16 bits/channel

This avoids the dreaded "Banding" that typically occurs if/when you try to "adjust" in in PS.

Best Advice Kleinburg Kid? All emerging photographers initially HATE RAW... the files are way too large and look terrible. However with time and practice those same users will likely never go back to shooting in .jpeg.

I'm no different I hated RAW at first also... lol
All the best on your epic photographic journey Kleinburg Kid

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Jul 19, 2021 13:18:22   #
Quixdraw Loc: x
 
Here is an explanation of the Picture Controls direct from Nikon. https://www.nikonusa.com/en/learn-and-explore/a/tips-and-techniques/picture-controls-step-by-step.html
I do not care to use Raw and still get quite satisfactory photos.

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Jul 19, 2021 13:26:57   #
Ysarex Loc: St. Louis
 
Thomas902 wrote:
"...No version of JPEG any sort of equivalent of RAW..." Paul is spot on here...
If you actually want to see what "FLAT" can do open an NEF file in Camera RAW; Go to Tone Curve and change the "Default" Medium Contrast to Linear... Bingo! you now have a FLAT image... The D7500 will do this for you if you choose FLAT in Picture Control. But why bother... Always shoot in RAW if you are serious about PP (Post Processing)

That said you can (and should) convert any .jpeg to 16 bits per channel the moment you bring it into PS.
Under Image; Mode; 16 bits/channel

This avoids the dreaded "Banding" that typically occurs if/when you try to "adjust" in in PS.
"...No version of JPEG any sort of equivalent... (show quote)

That's a common myth. Converting the 8 bit JPEG to 16 bit does not avoid banding and other damage that results from editing JPEG. You're putting 8 bit data in a 16 bit container it's still 8 bit data.
Thomas902 wrote:
Best Advice Kleinburg Kid? All emerging photographers initially HATE RAW... the files are way too large and look terrible. However with time and practice those same users will likely never go back to shooting in RAW.

I'm no different I hated RAW at first... lol
All the best on your epic photographic journey Kleinburg Kid

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Jul 19, 2021 13:27:44   #
chasgroh Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
Thomas902 wrote:
"...No version of JPEG any sort of equivalent of RAW..." Paul is spot on here...

If you actually want to see what "FLAT" can do open an NEF file in Camera RAW; Go to Tone Curve and change the "Default" Medium Contrast to Linear... Bingo! you now have a FLAT image... The D7500 will do this for you if you choose FLAT in Picture Control. But why bother... Always shoot in RAW if you are serious about PP (Post Processing)

That said you can (and should) convert any .jpeg to 16 bits per channel the moment you bring it into PS.
Under Image; Mode; 16 bits/channel

This avoids the dreaded "Banding" that typically occurs if/when you try to "adjust" in in PS.

Best Advice Kleinburg Kid? All emerging photographers initially HATE RAW... the files are way too large and look terrible. However with time and practice those same users will likely never go back to shooting in .jpeg.

I'm no different I hated RAW at first also... lol
All the best on your epic photographic journey Kleinburg Kid
"...No version of JPEG any sort of equivalent... (show quote)


Haha...I walked-in curious about digital. Once I discovered RAW I needed to *learn* it...no hate to it, just x's and 0's. Maybe that attitude was produced by my newness after a long layoff? Dunno, but I use both formats for different things...if I have time, always RAW.

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Jul 19, 2021 13:33:59   #
Thomas902 Loc: Washington DC
 
Ysarex have you actually tried converting to 16bit?
I have and it works for me... I suggest you actually try it fore claiming something that simply isn't valid...
It's clueless antagonist like you who bring nothing to the dance but their ego and territorial imperative...

Why don't you try and address the OP's query instead?
Or is that below your masterful attainment level....

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Jul 19, 2021 13:34:11   #
BebuLamar
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Waste of time.

RAW from your D7500 is 12-bit or 14-bit with no colorspace limitations.

Any JPEG is 8-bit with all the rich color potential discarded from the sensor and the data packed into one of two colorspaces and limited to 8^2 color channels for Red, Green and Blue.

No version of JPEG any sort of equivalent of RAW.


It's rather 2^8. Sorry for being nit picking (well you're seldom wrong ok?)

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Jul 19, 2021 13:42:08   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
BebuLamar wrote:
It's rather 2^8. Sorry for being nit picking (well you're seldom wrong ok?)


OPPs .. thx
(Corrected within the correction window. I was going to do the math for the result, then didn't, thereby creating the typo.)

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Jul 19, 2021 14:11:42   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
Kleinburg Kid wrote:
Has anyone out there used this setting, which appears to be a JPEG equivalent to RAW? If so, what is your impression of it?


I have played with picture controls quite a bit. I have not yet found any situations where the Flat setting provides a useful or attractive JPEG result that I would intentionally use for a finished image. BUT...when taking night sky photographs, Flat is required to have any sort of usable review image on the rear screen to verify that a usable, in-focus exposure has been captured. There might be other similar uses.

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Jul 19, 2021 14:23:20   #
Kleinburg Kid Loc: Toronto, Ontario
 
Thanks for your explanation!

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Jul 19, 2021 14:24:55   #
Kleinburg Kid Loc: Toronto, Ontario
 
Ysarex wrote:
If you're going to create a JPEG in camera then make it as good as you can in camera. The tacit implication in that is you're creating a JPEG for editing. In reality yes, most JPEGs need to be edited to achieve the best final image but if you're not going to let the camera do it's part of that job what's the point?

JPEG equivalent to RAW? Not even laughably close.


Seems to be the consensus. Guess I will have to bite the bullet! Thanks.

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Jul 19, 2021 14:32:43   #
Kleinburg Kid Loc: Toronto, Ontario
 
Thomas902 wrote:
"...No version of JPEG any sort of equivalent of RAW..." Paul is spot on here...

If you actually want to see what "FLAT" can do open an NEF file in Camera RAW; Go to Tone Curve and change the "Default" Medium Contrast to Linear... Bingo! you now have a FLAT image... The D7500 will do this for you if you choose FLAT in Picture Control. But why bother... Always shoot in RAW if you are serious about PP (Post Processing)

btw anytime you boost contrast you have the potential to "Clip" either hightlights and/or shadows. A FLAT setting can minimize "Clipping"

That said you can (and should) convert any .jpeg to 16 bits per channel the moment you bring it into PS.
Under Image; Mode; 16 bits/channel

This avoids the dreaded "Banding" that typically occurs if/when you try to "adjust" in in PS.

Best Advice Kleinburg Kid? All emerging photographers initially HATE RAW... the files are way too large and look terrible. However with time and practice those same users will likely never go back to shooting in .jpeg.

I'm no different I hated RAW at first also... lol
All the best on your epic photographic journey Kleinburg Kid
"...No version of JPEG any sort of equivalent... (show quote)

Thanks so much! Great information, and appreciate your empathy!

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Jul 19, 2021 14:33:45   #
Kleinburg Kid Loc: Toronto, Ontario
 
Very useful link! Many thanks!

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