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Jul 11, 2021 21:10:07   #
Retired CPO Loc: Travel full time in an RV
 
controversy wrote:
If you *really* want to know what you're missing don't bother with asking us amateurs. You should submit a few of your very best images to a stock photography site and see if they will accept them. Most of those sites are very direct in their critiques regarding the technical aspects of the image, the subject, and the composition.

Places like Fotolia, Getty Images, Alarmy, Stocksy, and many more. Just Google "stock photography site."

Seems like you made a bold challenge to BebuLamar -- can you step up to this bold challenge?
If you *really* want to know what you're missing d... (show quote)


I'm not making a bold challenge to anyone. I'm simply asking for information.
I have a lot of posts of actual photos here on the Hog. Most people who respond to them are impressed, some not and that's OK. All jpeg with minimal post processing. I don't do Photoshop style PP and never will.
If it's not acceptable to me sooc I consider it a failure and go back into the field and try to do better next time. I would much rather be out in the field with a camera than sitting in front of a computer.
I think that after many years taking snapshots I have finally "stepped up" to the challenge of taking real photographs.

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Jul 11, 2021 21:17:19   #
Retired CPO Loc: Travel full time in an RV
 
Ysarex wrote:
The unsurmountable problem with all of the above is that most of us are not taking photos in controlled studio conditions where we can prep the subject, build the set and control the lighting. Outside the studio it is almost a guarantee that what we find that we want to photograph will present a subject characteristic or lighting contrast condition that the camera's picture controls can't address and then all of the above comes crashing down.

I'm sitting here this afternoon processing a fairly large collection of photos -- 1060 to be precise. I'm 756 photos done with 304 to go (taking a couple of days). So far I haven't encountered one single photo out of 756 that hasn't been made a better image by applying selective local adjustments to the image. NOT ONE! 304 to go and odds are very high that all 1060 photos will be improved by some type of local adjustment that can't be accomplished with the camera picture controls. That'll be 100%.

This isn't about knowing what to do to get the image right in camera. It's about getting it best in camera is usually not possible. Let's look at an example from the set I'm working on now -- illustration below -- a pink anemonee which I found in direct sunlight. The direct sunlight on the flower is fine, in fact I like it. But that same direct sunlight is also shining on the background. Now the SOOC JPEG shooters will just set up the portable light stand they always carry with them and pull a shim and clamps out of their camera bag and shim that sunlight off the background, yeah right -- works with mountain landscapes too. At best the SOOC JPEG shooter is going to get the photo you see on the left. None of the picture controls in the camera can do anything about how bright the background is relative to the subject. The left photo isn't awful but the photo on the right is better with the background subdued. Do we want best or not? I want best and in the case of this photo and the other 755 I just processed best can't be done using the camera's picture controls and generating an SOOC JPEG.

If the odds are that high against you getting a best result with the camera picture controls SOOC then why bother at all? It takes time and effort to screw around with something that probably won't work anyway. Doesn't sound too smart does it. The only way it makes sense is you're willing to settle for less than best.
The unsurmountable problem with all of the above i... (show quote)


Am I the only one who thinks this is a joke? Surly this is in jest???

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Jul 11, 2021 21:34:54   #
Retired CPO Loc: Travel full time in an RV
 
User ID wrote:
The reason you ask such a thing is the same reason you are satisfied with, and proud of (?), your sooc files. Untapped potential is not readily visible. If you eat at fast food joints all the time you’re bound to wonder why folks go to proper restaurants or perhaps to diners.


So if I eat at fast food restaurants I'm a substandard photographer. If you can guarantee that the quality of my photographs will improve even slightly if I give up Arby's, I might consider it. It's a good thing that I already have the gear I want because when I start frequenting French( ) or other "proper" restaurants I won't be able to afford any more gear. Do I have to buy a Mercedes too?

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Jul 11, 2021 21:44:41   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
Retired CPO wrote:
So if I eat at fast food restaurants I'm a substandard photographer?


Not at all! You'd be a substandard photographer even if you drove your Mercedes to the finest restaurant in town!

Now if your chauffeur drove you in your Mercedes to the finest restaurant, that would improve you photos exponentially.

Have a nice night Chief!



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Jul 11, 2021 21:51:21   #
Ysarex Loc: St. Louis
 
Retired CPO wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks this is a joke? Surly this is in jest???


Totally serious.

You're a Nikon user, maybe you can offer some suggestions.

I shot the photo below with my Nikon. The first image is the SOOC JPEG (no attempt to set picture controls).

The second photo is the photo I took which I processed from the raw file. How would you set up the camera picture controls on your Nikon to get the bottom photo given the top photo is the camera defaults.

I'm especially curious to know how you would replicate the application of two different white balance settings (sky/foreground) as I did in my version?


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Jul 11, 2021 21:59:31   #
Retired CPO Loc: Travel full time in an RV
 
I would go back when the lighting was better. That's why I travel in an RV.

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Jul 11, 2021 21:59:42   #
Retired CPO Loc: Travel full time in an RV
 
Double post.

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Jul 11, 2021 22:06:33   #
Ysarex Loc: St. Louis
 
Retired CPO wrote:
I would go back when the lighting was better. That's why I travel in an RV.

That's the kind of light I wanted and that's the effect I wanted. I can photograph that kind of light no problem and I often look for it. Your answer is an admission of your inability.

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Jul 11, 2021 22:11:04   #
Ysarex Loc: St. Louis
 
Retired CPO wrote:
I would go back when the lighting was better. That's why I travel in an RV.

Why didn't you go back for this photo? https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-688099-1.html

I would have had no problem with that lighting and I wouldn't have turned the alligator blue.

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Jul 11, 2021 22:47:49   #
controversy Loc: Wuhan, China
 
Ysarex wrote:
Why didn't you go back for this photo? https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-688099-1.html

I would have had no problem with that lighting and I wouldn't have turned the alligator blue.


Ysarex, you illustrate your point exactly and perfectly using the alligator picture post by Retired CPO as an example. I'd be embarrassed to share a photo like that and then present myself as a competent photographer who argues against embracing/using the fundamental principles of good photography. Folks like Retired CPO just make me shake my head and smile. As said earlier, there's absolutely nothing wrong with being unskilled and taking snapshots - but folks who do that need to accept their limited knowledge/skills and stop making uninformed arguments to defend that limited knowledge/skill.

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Jul 12, 2021 02:35:50   #
Retired CPO Loc: Travel full time in an RV
 
Ysarex wrote:
Why didn't you go back for this photo? https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-688099-1.html

I would have had no problem with that lighting and I wouldn't have turned the alligator blue.


I had no problem with it as is. That's the way it looked when I took the photo and I had no desire to change it. Even with my limited post processing ability I wouldn't change it from the way I found it and from they way it appeared at the time.
What do you not like about it? Or are you one of those folks that just can't resist tinkering? If so, that's fine. It's just not me.

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Jul 12, 2021 02:38:46   #
Retired CPO Loc: Travel full time in an RV
 
Ysarex wrote:
That's the kind of light I wanted and that's the effect I wanted. I can photograph that kind of light no problem and I often look for it. Your answer is an admission of your inability.


Really? Is lipstick on a pig in your vocabulary?

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Jul 12, 2021 02:48:47   #
Retired CPO Loc: Travel full time in an RV
 
controversy wrote:
Ysarex, you illustrate your point exactly and perfectly using the alligator picture post by Retired CPO as an example. I'd be embarrassed to share a photo like that and then present myself as a competent photographer who argues against embracing/using the fundamental principles of good photography. Folks like Retired CPO just make me shake my head and smile. As said earlier, there's absolutely nothing wrong with being unskilled and taking snapshots - but folks who do that need to accept their limited knowledge/skills and stop making uninformed arguments to defend that limited knowledge/skill.
Ysarex, you illustrate your point exactly and perf... (show quote)


Maybe you would be embarrassed because you would have no chance to even hope for a photo like that? It looks exactly like it looked laying there on the bank and I had no reason or desire to change it.
Be careful how much you shake your head and smile. Someone might offer you a quarter and a card from the nearest homeless shelter.
I've seen a lot of photos that made it clear that someone spent a LOT of computer time trying to slap lipstick on a pig and ended up with a poorly made up pig.

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Jul 12, 2021 06:48:27   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
Ysarex wrote:
Why didn't you go back for this photo? https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-688099-1.html

I would have had no problem with that lighting and I wouldn't have turned the alligator blue.

The shiny surface of the alligator’s hide is reflecting the blue sky. It should be blue.

The image just needs a little shadow recovery - easy for raw shooters, harder fo SOOC.

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Jul 12, 2021 07:51:10   #
BebuLamar
 
selmslie wrote:
The shiny surface of the alligator’s hide is reflecting the blue sky. It should be blue.

The image just needs a little shadow recovery - easy for raw shooters, harder fo SOOC.


For SOOC perhaps some aggressive setting on the Ative D lighting.

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