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Jun 13, 2021 10:47:16   #
Alby144 Loc: Northern Nevada
 
lwerthe1mer wrote:
Perhaps I am trying to force the card players being the main subject. I took the photo for the sunstar and not for the card players. The sunstar is the brightest part of the image, and I guess I should have focused on what prompted me to take the photo rather than something I contemplated "after the snap."


You may be on to something...it's a nice photo either way.

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Jun 13, 2021 14:24:00   #
VICTORJCARR Loc: Alabama
 
A different prospective from the lower left if you have it would be best. That shot should be cropped on the right to the point were the tree branches meet the bush.On the left to just two trees. Zoom in, sun high as possible. Take some off the bottom. PS for color and exposure. You can make it look okay. It will be some work.

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Jun 13, 2021 15:46:09   #
lwerthe1mer Loc: Birmingham, Alabama
 
frankraney wrote:
QD has a good crop....

To me, nothing is in good focus, the trees on left is best. For a star affect, you had to have a small aperture opening. Where did you focus?


I have been having focus issues. I tried to focus on the couple, but my camera sometimes has a mind of its own. I am currently watching videos and reading about focus techniques with my FujiFilm Xt3.

I had a small aperture for the star effect.

I appreciate your comments.

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Jun 13, 2021 17:38:49   #
frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.
 
lwerthe1mer wrote:
I have been having focus issues. I tried to focus on the couple, but my camera sometimes has a mind of its own. I am currently watching videos and reading about focus techniques with my FujiFilm Xt3.

I had a small aperture for the star effect.

I appreciate your comments.


You could also be above The Sweet spot in your focus. Sweet spot should be maybe 2 to 3 stops above widest opening. Although I would still think it would be better than what it is.

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Jun 13, 2021 18:37:31   #
lwerthe1mer Loc: Birmingham, Alabama
 
Certainly another possibility. That’s the risk when trying to get a sun star.

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Jun 14, 2021 08:59:15   #
frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.
 
lwerthe1mer wrote:
Certainly another possibility. That’s the risk when trying to get a sun star.



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Jun 27, 2021 22:09:42   #
usnret Loc: Woodhull Il
 
Where you shooting in auto? If not what were your camera settings. Also were you on a tripod? My eyes were first drawn to the harsh sun followed by the trees and lastly to the what you wanted to be the main subject. Your intended main subject in it's own right, had the potential for a great and memorable capture of a young couple enjoying a relaxing evening. As some options, maybe moved the sun more toward the upper left corner of the picture, waited till closer to sunset, zoomed in more, used a low dose of off camera fill flash. And a tripod for sure. Any chance they would let you practice with them recreating the same scenario?

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Jun 28, 2021 21:19:30   #
Charles 46277 Loc: Fulton County, KY
 
gsmith051 wrote:
Nice shot. Composition is great but I have trouble with subject. Without title I would miss the players. First thing I looked for was the sun set. Subject (card players) should be primary. Just some thoughts on matter. I still like photo a lot.


You are right, yet I like the original better as a photo...

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Jun 29, 2021 08:35:51   #
lwerthe1mer Loc: Birmingham, Alabama
 
I was not in auto mode and was on a tripod. My shutter speed was 1/4, aperture f/22 and ISO 250. My controlling setting was aperture, because I wanted a sun star. The photo was not as sharp because of the aperture, which I suppose was a trade-off.

Referring to the card game in my title to the photo was misleading even to myself. I saw the card players but was primarily interested in the sun star. I made a critical mistake of not knowing the real subject of my photo. I was like a ship without a rudder.

The card players did not know I was taking their photo, although I presume they would have been cooperative and friendly had I asked their permission in advance.

It appears that I shared with UHH an ill-conceived photo. Thanks to all for forcing me to focus on my lack of understanding of the photo I was taking. The ensuing discussion was a good lesson for me.







usnret wrote:
Where you shooting in auto? If not what were your camera settings. Also were you on a tripod? My eyes were first drawn to the harsh sun followed by the trees and lastly to the what you wanted to be the main subject. Your intended main subject in it's own right, had the potential for a great and memorable capture of a young couple enjoying a relaxing evening. As some options, maybe moved the sun more toward the upper left corner of the picture, waited till closer to sunset, zoomed in more, used a low dose of off camera fill flash. And a tripod for sure. Any chance they would let you practice with them recreating the same scenario?
Where you shooting in auto? If not what were your ... (show quote)

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Jun 29, 2021 10:29:31   #
Charles 46277 Loc: Fulton County, KY
 
lwerthe1mer wrote:
I was not in auto mode and was on a tripod. My shutter speed was 1/4, aperture f/22 and ISO 250. My controlling setting was aperture, because I wanted a sun star. The photo was not as sharp because of the aperture, which I suppose was a trade-off.

Referring to the card game in my title to the photo was misleading even to myself. I saw the card players but was primarily interested in the sun star. I made a critical mistake of not knowing the real subject of my photo. I was like a ship without a rudder.

The card players did not know I was taking their photo, although I presume they would have been cooperative and friendly had I asked their permission in advance.

It appears that I shared with UHH an ill-conceived photo. Thanks to all for forcing me to focus on my lack of understanding of the photo I was taking. The ensuing discussion was a good lesson for me.
I was not in auto mode and was on a tripod. My sh... (show quote)


Artists do not always consciously foresee an exact result, and often they are not good at explaining their own work. Clearly you wanted the sunburst within a context, and framing the trees and bushes worked well, I think. Calling it "An evening in the park," corrects most of the objections, but making the two people even less dominant might help (wider angle or back up)--they are just people in a public scene to give a sense of proportion.

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Jun 29, 2021 10:32:34   #
lwerthe1mer Loc: Birmingham, Alabama
 
Charles 46277 wrote:
Artists do not always consciously foresee an exact result, and often they are not good at explaining their own work. Clearly you wanted the sunburst within a context, and framing the trees and bushes worked well, I think. Calling it "An evening in the park," corrects most of the objections, but making the two people even less dominant might help (wider angle or back up)--they are just people in a public scene to give a sense of proportion.


Good thoughts. Thanks.

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Jun 29, 2021 13:00:13   #
Craigdca Loc: California
 
lwerthe1mer wrote:
Good thoughts. Thanks.


You can still be happy with the photo as it is. It’s a nice moment that anyone would enjoy viewing.

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Jun 29, 2021 13:32:52   #
lwerthe1mer Loc: Birmingham, Alabama
 
Craigdca wrote:
You can still be happy with the photo as it is. It’s a nice moment that anyone would enjoy viewing.


You guys make me feel good about a rather haphazard photo. Thanks.

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Jul 5, 2021 18:38:58   #
Silverrails
 
lwerthe1mer wrote:
I have had difficulty editing this photo. The Sunstar is brighter than the card players, who are the main subject of the photo. Any thoughts on how to shift focus to the card players?

Be brutal in your criticism if appropriate. Thanks.


To me, that does not look to be a Natural Sun Flare, Man-made with specialty Filter? If So, lose the Filter 1st.
If that is not the issue, make sure you try Manual Mode and play with the setting, including Exposure Compensation.
This Opinion is written by an "Advanced Beginner" DSLR Photographer, who is still learning.

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Jul 6, 2021 07:27:16   #
lwerthe1mer Loc: Birmingham, Alabama
 
Silverrails wrote:
To me, that does not look to be a Natural Sun Flare, Man-made with specialty Filter? If So, lose the Filter 1st.
If that is not the issue, make sure you try Manual Mode and play with the setting, including Exposure Compensation.
This Opinion is written by an "Advanced Beginner" DSLR Photographer, who is still learning.


I appreciate your advice. This was a real sun flare with no specialty filter. I’m pretty sure I was in manual mode, which I like to use on a tripod.

I haven’t had much experience shooting sun flares, and I probably pulled the trigger as soon as I saw the beams of light. Next time I’ll play with the adjustments more.

I seem to be a slow learner, but I’m making progress. Thanks again.

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