The News May Become Interesting Again
Jun 8, 2021 08:23:19 #
berchman
Loc: South Central PA
As the president hints at running for president once again, his future could lie in the courtroom, not the Oval Office
He’s Teflon Don no more, at least when it comes to court.
Donald Trump, no longer insulated by claims of p**********l protections, faces a host of increasingly serious legal problems in some of the US’s most high-profile courts, including both criminal investigation and civil litigation.
Trump “can face criminal charges for activities that took place before he was president, after he was president, and while he was president – as long as they were not part of his duties while he was president of the United States,” said attorney David S Weinstein, partner at Jones Walker LLP’s Miami office.
Trump has not been charged with any crimes, and he has repeatedly denied wrongdoing personally and in his business dealings. His attorneys did not respond to requests for comment. A request for comment through his website received an automatic response of: “Thank you for your inquiry. Our staff is currently reviewing your request.”
But the exact impact of this on Trump’s political future is unclear. Political science experts say that legal actions against Trump might not pose problems, as even if he were found to have committed wrongdoing, his loyalists might stick with him.
The most threatening legal investigation, which involves potential for jail either for Trump or his associates if it proceeded and resulted in conviction, does not relate to his p**********l duties.
The Washington Post reported on 25 May that Manhattan prosecutors had convened the grand jury that is “expected to decide whether to indict Donald Trump, other executives at his company or the business itself, should prosecutors present the panel with criminal charges”.
This development suggests that Manhattan prosecutors’ inquiry into Trump and his business concerns have hit an “advanced stage” after proceeding for more than two years. More, it indicates that Manhattan prosecutors believe they have discovered evidence of a crime. This potential evidence could be against Trump, an executive at his company, or his business.
This inquiry is broad-ranging, involving Trump’s business dealings prior to his presidency. The investigation is exploring whether the value of some real estate in his company’s portfolio were manipulated in a manner that defrauded insurance companies and banks. The investigation is also seeking to determine whether questionable assessment of property values might have resulted in unlawful tax breaks, per the Washington Post.
Meanwhile, the New York state attorney general has ramped up its investigation. “We have informed the Trump Organization that our investigation into the organization is no longer purely civil in nature. We are now actively investigating the Trump Organization in a criminal capacity, along with the Manhattan DA. We have no additional comment at this time,” a spokesman for the office said in an email to the Guardian.
Fani Willis, district attorney of Fulton County, Georgia, said in February that there were plans to investigate Trump’s call to the Georgia secretary of state, in which he urged him to “find” sufficient v**es to allow him to win. Willis also announced plans to probe other “attempts to influence the administration of the 2020 Georgia general e******n,” the Post said.
In New York, Trump faces several major civil suits. Two women who accused Trump of sexual assault, ex-Apprentice contestant Summer Zervos and advice columnist E Jean Carroll, have filed defamation actions against him for statements he made about their allegations. He also faces a lawsuit filed by Efrain Galicia, an activist, over allegedly being attacked by Trump’s security during a 2015 protest outside Trump Tower.
Something like criminal proceedings involving taxes could firm up support, as Trump could ramp up his claims of victimhood, playing to aggrieved v**ers who think the system is r****d against them. Plus, experts said, some of Trump’s base is attracted to his boorish, bullying behavior.
“The majority of the evidence that we have on hand says that people who like Trump don’t care what he does – it just doesn’t matter if he breaks the law,” said Francisco I Pedraza, a political scientist at University of California Riverside. For those v**ers, “he can do no wrong”.
“We know from a lot of social science research that people who back Trump also register very high on validated and reliable indexes of racial resentment, for example, he serves that and offers a kind of politics that responds to that flavor of politics,” Pedraza said. “Anything else doesn’t matter as long as he continues to be a champion for r****t [sentiments].”
Several experts said, however, that Trump could lose some support if allegations offended economically disadvantaged persons in his base – if he c***ted the proverbial little guy, for example, those who feel c***ted by the system might turn on him.
Samuel Popkin, a research professor at the University of California San Diego and author of Crackup: The Republican Implosion and the Future of P**********l Politics, said: “If he gets nailed on stuff that is very complicated and hard to decipher and just looks like taxes are too high and everybody gets screwed, ‘I’m just another businessman trying to [give] the government no more than they deserve.’ It will not hurt him.
“If there’s a conviction that has to deal with real theft, and stealing and s**mming people, like the business with Trump University but on a massive scale, then it could hurt him.”
“It really depends on which charges.”
Susan MacManus, professor emerita of political science at the University of South Florida, similarly said: “If it’s taxes, people are less likely to see that as big an issue” compared to something more serious, such as security.
However, “any kind of conviction of some kind of criminal offense could definitely sway” a number of Republicans, MacManus said.
“The question is when you start looking at the fringes of the base, and you start looking at independent v**ers, not Republicans,” said Thomas Patterson, a professor at Harvard Kennedy School. With that group, legal action could carry the “possibility of erosion” in supporting Trump.
Regardless of whether Trump, his employees, or company are prosecuted, it’s all but guaranteed to result in unprecedented attention and controversy, exacerbated by the ex-president’s notorious recalcitrance.
One New York courts insider told the Guardian that the frenzy would make the Harvey Weinstein case “look like somebody with training wheels”.
“I can only imagine what a circus it would be,” the insider said.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jun/08/first-thing-teflon-don-no-more-as-legal-threats-mount-against-trump
He’s Teflon Don no more, at least when it comes to court.
Donald Trump, no longer insulated by claims of p**********l protections, faces a host of increasingly serious legal problems in some of the US’s most high-profile courts, including both criminal investigation and civil litigation.
Trump “can face criminal charges for activities that took place before he was president, after he was president, and while he was president – as long as they were not part of his duties while he was president of the United States,” said attorney David S Weinstein, partner at Jones Walker LLP’s Miami office.
Trump has not been charged with any crimes, and he has repeatedly denied wrongdoing personally and in his business dealings. His attorneys did not respond to requests for comment. A request for comment through his website received an automatic response of: “Thank you for your inquiry. Our staff is currently reviewing your request.”
But the exact impact of this on Trump’s political future is unclear. Political science experts say that legal actions against Trump might not pose problems, as even if he were found to have committed wrongdoing, his loyalists might stick with him.
The most threatening legal investigation, which involves potential for jail either for Trump or his associates if it proceeded and resulted in conviction, does not relate to his p**********l duties.
The Washington Post reported on 25 May that Manhattan prosecutors had convened the grand jury that is “expected to decide whether to indict Donald Trump, other executives at his company or the business itself, should prosecutors present the panel with criminal charges”.
This development suggests that Manhattan prosecutors’ inquiry into Trump and his business concerns have hit an “advanced stage” after proceeding for more than two years. More, it indicates that Manhattan prosecutors believe they have discovered evidence of a crime. This potential evidence could be against Trump, an executive at his company, or his business.
This inquiry is broad-ranging, involving Trump’s business dealings prior to his presidency. The investigation is exploring whether the value of some real estate in his company’s portfolio were manipulated in a manner that defrauded insurance companies and banks. The investigation is also seeking to determine whether questionable assessment of property values might have resulted in unlawful tax breaks, per the Washington Post.
Meanwhile, the New York state attorney general has ramped up its investigation. “We have informed the Trump Organization that our investigation into the organization is no longer purely civil in nature. We are now actively investigating the Trump Organization in a criminal capacity, along with the Manhattan DA. We have no additional comment at this time,” a spokesman for the office said in an email to the Guardian.
Fani Willis, district attorney of Fulton County, Georgia, said in February that there were plans to investigate Trump’s call to the Georgia secretary of state, in which he urged him to “find” sufficient v**es to allow him to win. Willis also announced plans to probe other “attempts to influence the administration of the 2020 Georgia general e******n,” the Post said.
In New York, Trump faces several major civil suits. Two women who accused Trump of sexual assault, ex-Apprentice contestant Summer Zervos and advice columnist E Jean Carroll, have filed defamation actions against him for statements he made about their allegations. He also faces a lawsuit filed by Efrain Galicia, an activist, over allegedly being attacked by Trump’s security during a 2015 protest outside Trump Tower.
Something like criminal proceedings involving taxes could firm up support, as Trump could ramp up his claims of victimhood, playing to aggrieved v**ers who think the system is r****d against them. Plus, experts said, some of Trump’s base is attracted to his boorish, bullying behavior.
“The majority of the evidence that we have on hand says that people who like Trump don’t care what he does – it just doesn’t matter if he breaks the law,” said Francisco I Pedraza, a political scientist at University of California Riverside. For those v**ers, “he can do no wrong”.
“We know from a lot of social science research that people who back Trump also register very high on validated and reliable indexes of racial resentment, for example, he serves that and offers a kind of politics that responds to that flavor of politics,” Pedraza said. “Anything else doesn’t matter as long as he continues to be a champion for r****t [sentiments].”
Several experts said, however, that Trump could lose some support if allegations offended economically disadvantaged persons in his base – if he c***ted the proverbial little guy, for example, those who feel c***ted by the system might turn on him.
Samuel Popkin, a research professor at the University of California San Diego and author of Crackup: The Republican Implosion and the Future of P**********l Politics, said: “If he gets nailed on stuff that is very complicated and hard to decipher and just looks like taxes are too high and everybody gets screwed, ‘I’m just another businessman trying to [give] the government no more than they deserve.’ It will not hurt him.
“If there’s a conviction that has to deal with real theft, and stealing and s**mming people, like the business with Trump University but on a massive scale, then it could hurt him.”
“It really depends on which charges.”
Susan MacManus, professor emerita of political science at the University of South Florida, similarly said: “If it’s taxes, people are less likely to see that as big an issue” compared to something more serious, such as security.
However, “any kind of conviction of some kind of criminal offense could definitely sway” a number of Republicans, MacManus said.
“The question is when you start looking at the fringes of the base, and you start looking at independent v**ers, not Republicans,” said Thomas Patterson, a professor at Harvard Kennedy School. With that group, legal action could carry the “possibility of erosion” in supporting Trump.
Regardless of whether Trump, his employees, or company are prosecuted, it’s all but guaranteed to result in unprecedented attention and controversy, exacerbated by the ex-president’s notorious recalcitrance.
One New York courts insider told the Guardian that the frenzy would make the Harvey Weinstein case “look like somebody with training wheels”.
“I can only imagine what a circus it would be,” the insider said.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jun/08/first-thing-teflon-don-no-more-as-legal-threats-mount-against-trump
Jun 8, 2021 08:34:08 #
This fact governs for now: "Trump has not been charged with any crimes." Meantime, we hear the mouthing and speculation of individuals suffering from Anti-Trump Derangement Syndrome (ATDS). Such individuals cannot see or think straight about anything the President says or does, regardless of merit. Let's move on.
berchman wrote:
As the president hints at running for president on... (show quote)
Jun 8, 2021 08:40:17 #
anotherview wrote:
This fact governs for now: "Trump has not been charged with any crimes." Meantime, we hear the mouthing and speculation of individuals suffering from Anti-Trump Derangement Syndrome (ATDS). Such individuals cannot see or think straight about anything the President says or does, regardless of merit. Let's move on.
Things are moving on and that was the message the OP was stating. Perhaps you missed it due to BTS.
Jun 8, 2021 08:52:09 #
anotherview wrote:
This fact governs for now: "Trump has not been charged with any crimes." Meantime, we hear the mouthing and speculation of individuals suffering from Anti-Trump Derangement Syndrome (ATDS). Such individuals cannot see or think straight about anything the President says or does, regardless of merit. Let's move on.
One cannot simply dismiss the pending investigations concerning Trump’s activities. Whether one likes or dislikes the man (read Max Boot this morning in the Washington Post); Trump is a future force in this country. These investigations cannot be dismissed, whether Trump is ever indicted or not.
To have an interest in these investigations is not ATDS—it is an active, responsible, interest in the future of this Republic.
Jun 8, 2021 09:12:51 #
Kmgw9v wrote:
One cannot simply dismiss the pending investigations concerning Trump’s activities. Whether one likes or dislikes the man (read Max Boot this morning in the Washington Post); Trump is a future force in this country. These investigations cannot be dismissed, whether Trump is ever indicted or not.
To have an interest in these investigations is not ATDS—it is an active, responsible, interest in the future of this Republic.
To have an interest in these investigations is not ATDS—it is an active, responsible, interest in the future of this Republic.
It is more than possible that he is only a factor through the primaries.
Many candidate - to win the primaries - must have the base that worship at his altar and believe his every word.
After that in the general e******n those very same candidate to win need much more than just the trumpkins v**e.
If he would quit whining about the e******n of 7 month ago and talk about future programs it could be different.
Once again the democrats know their greatest campaign asset is trump himself .
Jun 8, 2021 09:23:56 #
Jun 8, 2021 10:00:49 #
berchman wrote:
As the president hints at running for president on... (show quote)
Interesting that all the bold print has exactly NO bearing on legal charges, legal issue, or fact in general. Like virtually all liberal talking points, narrative reigns and fact is either accidental or actively omitted.
Jun 8, 2021 19:35:06 #
Shutterbug1697
Loc: Northeast
DennyT wrote:
It is more than possible that he is only a factor ... (show quote)
Unfortunately the 2016 primaries showed that the GOP and the media totally underestimated trump, and through his disinformation campaign and name calling, trump came out as king of the hill.
The American v**ers can NOT allow that to happen again with trump.
The J****** 6th I**********n showed just how dangerous trump has been since he first announced his candidacy on June 16, 2015.
Then there's trump's vindictive streak, he'll support a GOP opposition candidate if he's been crossed by the GOP incumbent.
Jun 9, 2021 08:05:26 #
berchman wrote:
As the president hints at running for president on... (show quote)
The news would be quite interesting NOW if they would report what is currently happening under the Biden Harris administration. Which is way more important than resurecting your hatred for the last president.
Jun 9, 2021 08:44:14 #
News media workers and their ilk suffer from the difficulty of replacing their emotionalism with reason and critical thought. They shun involving verifiable facts and information in their conversation, oral or written. Typically, they operate on gut feeling. This condition blinds them to counter-facts. Etc.
Curtis_Lowe wrote:
The news would be quite interesting NOW if they would report what is currently happening under the Biden Harris administration. Which is way more important than resurecting your hatred for the last president.
Jun 9, 2021 08:48:29 #
The news is all about programming swaying peoples emotions to implement wh**ever agenda they desire.
There is possibly a lot more going on than Biden’s screw ups. If anyone think Biden Harris are in control of this country think again.
There is possibly a lot more going on than Biden’s screw ups. If anyone think Biden Harris are in control of this country think again.
Jun 9, 2021 08:50:09 #
Curtis:
Yes, what currently is happening is very important. However, those that support Democracy have every reason to be concerned about a Trump future. It is also very important.
Yes, what currently is happening is very important. However, those that support Democracy have every reason to be concerned about a Trump future. It is also very important.
Jun 9, 2021 08:57:28 #
soba1 wrote:
The news is all about programming swaying peoples emotions to implement wh**ever agenda they desire.
There is possibly a lot more going on than Biden’s screw ups. If anyone think Biden Harris are in control of this country think again.
There is possibly a lot more going on than Biden’s screw ups. If anyone think Biden Harris are in control of this country think again.
Since 2008 the only person in control of the country is Moscow-China Mitch McConnell
and if you think differently you are badly mistaken.
Jun 9, 2021 09:14:27 #
Kraken wrote:
Since 2008 the only person in control of the country is Moscow-China Mitch McConnell
and if you think differently you are badly mistaken.
and if you think differently you are badly mistaken.
It’s all a show they are all actors in a world wide play, yes including your boy Trudeau…
That’s why I’m not contesting your statement.
Jun 9, 2021 09:24:36 #
anotherview wrote:
News media workers and their ilk suffer from the difficulty of replacing their emotionalism with reason and critical thought. They shun involving verifiable facts and information in their conversation, oral or written. Typically, they operate on gut feeling. This condition blinds them to counter-facts. Etc.
News media workers are very often biased, and self-selverving; but to generalize, suggesting that the mass of them “shun verifiable facts” and have replaced “reason and critical thought” with “their emotionalism”, operating on “gut feeling” alone—is childish hyperbole.
Overstating your thoughts distracts from your credibility.
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