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Jun 8, 2021 08:15:25   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Whenever I see someone filming online (Yes, I know it's not really film), they are using a DSLR or a compact. That seems to be the standard way to film now. I still use a camcorder.

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Jun 8, 2021 08:18:29   #
kymarto Loc: Portland OR and Milan Italy
 
They are far better quality than anything other that a pro videocamera, and even with those, only a very few are full frame.

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Jun 8, 2021 08:24:51   #
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jerryc41 wrote:
Whenever I see someone filming online (Yes, I know it's not really film), they are using a DSLR or a compact. That seems to be the standard way to film now. I still use a camcorder.

Camcorders are not on the way out like SLRs are. Camcorders predate video enabled stills cameras by about 25 years.

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Jun 8, 2021 08:52:58   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas (Dallas area)
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Whenever I see someone filming online (Yes, I know it's not really film), they are using a DSLR or a compact. That seems to be the standard way to film now. I still use a camcorder.


Interesting question. I know that when I made a 10 minute presentation to go on my church's website last year, I used my D500 because it met the request for me to submit it in 720P format. It also let me deal with my shooting location, where lighting was not ideal. I could set White Balance to compensate for mixed daylight and incandescent lighting, and I could properly control my audio.

But overall, videography is facing many of the same pressures that still photography is dealing with. From what I see of folks making personal videos, the preferred tool is by far the smart phone. While we do have either hired pros come into our school occasionally with a purpose-built video camera for special video projects, I have yet to see anyone shooting video with a dual purpise camera except me. Students use smart phones to build their projects, and teachers use them to build their lesson materials.

I don't know of any families who still own or use a dedicated video camera except my brother, and his has been on the shelf for quite a while, after seeing heavy use for 25 years. He uses his phone now when he takes video, but has moved to digital still photography for most things.

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Jun 8, 2021 08:54:25   #
ecommons
 
I was present about a year and a half back where they were shooting a segment for a Television Travel Show. They used Nikon DSLRs equipped with mikes to film the whole segment. I got to talk with the camera man about it, and they used them for the quality, portability and not needing a whole lot of extra equipment.

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Jun 8, 2021 11:55:55   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Whenever I see someone filming online (Yes, I know it's not really film), they are using a DSLR or a compact. That seems to be the standard way to film now. I still use a camcorder.


A quick search shows Canon with about 20 or so camcorders from inexpensive to fairly expensive still in the line up.
Sony shows 5 camcorders unless there is a category I missed
Nikon, Fujifilm and other big camera names do not show any camcorders unless again in my quick scan something was missed.
I would imagine Canon will be reducing their offerings as well unless selling well internationally.
But you are right that it seems cellphones have nearly totally replaced camcorders and cameras in the general population.
Times change.

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Jun 8, 2021 14:49:52   #
BebuLamar
 
Architect1776 wrote:
A quick search shows Canon with about 20 or so camcorders from inexpensive to fairly expensive still in the line up.
Sony shows 5 camcorders unless there is a category I missed
Nikon, Fujifilm and other big camera names do not show any camcorders unless again in my quick scan something was missed.
I would imagine Canon will be reducing their offerings as well unless selling well internationally.
But you are right that it seems cellphones have nearly totally replaced camcorders and cameras in the general population.
Times change.
A quick search shows Canon with about 20 or so cam... (show quote)

I don't think Nikon and Fuji ever offered camcorder. Big ones are Sony and Canon also Panasonic, JVC but I don't see them

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Jun 8, 2021 15:35:37   #
rgrenaderphoto Loc: Hollywood, CA
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Whenever I see someone filming online (Yes, I know it's not really film), they are using a DSLR or a compact. That seems to be the standard way to film now. I still use a camcorder.


Jerry, cast off your camcorder, you have nothing to lose but your chains.

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Jun 8, 2021 16:45:42   #
rook2c4 Loc: Philadelphia, PA USA
 
Unlike DSLR cameras, many camcorders don't have interchangeable lenses. And the ones that do are often very expensive.

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Jun 9, 2021 05:22:36   #
kymarto Loc: Portland OR and Milan Italy
 
Architect1776 wrote:
A quick search shows Canon with about 20 or so camcorders from inexpensive to fairly expensive still in the line up.
Sony shows 5 camcorders unless there is a category I missed
Nikon, Fujifilm and other big camera names do not show any camcorders unless again in my quick scan something was missed.
I would imagine Canon will be reducing their offerings as well unless selling well internationally.
But you are right that it seems cellphones have nearly totally replaced camcorders and cameras in the general population.
Times change.
A quick search shows Canon with about 20 or so cam... (show quote)


You missed a number of categories. Sony produces 19 professional video cameras alone, and probably another 30-40 at other levels of the market

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Jun 9, 2021 05:25:02   #
kymarto Loc: Portland OR and Milan Italy
 
kymarto wrote:
You missed a number of categories. Sony produces 19 professional video cameras alone, and probably another 30-40 at other levels of the market


Panasonic is also very competitive in the pro and prosumer video markets. Canon really doesn't even exist in the top segment of the market, except in lenses.

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Jun 9, 2021 07:10:16   #
Canisdirus
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Whenever I see someone filming online (Yes, I know it's not really film), they are using a DSLR or a compact. That seems to be the standard way to film now. I still use a camcorder.


Mirrorless cameras are hybrids.
Cams are dedicated.
Not difficult to figure out which does video better especially when figuring in the cost of said systems.

The Sony A1 ($6500) is said to outperform Sony's A7SIII.
For that coin you could buy this camcorder... (actually around $6000)

Not difficult to see which one will do video better.


(Download)

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Jun 9, 2021 07:42:27   #
Radioactive Loc: Bellingham
 
US import restrictions limit the amount of time a DSLR can record to 29min and 59 sec. Longer than that it would be considered a video recorder with high import tariffs.

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Jun 9, 2021 07:46:26   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
rgrenaderphoto wrote:
Jerry, cast off your camcorder, you have nothing to lose but your chains.


But, but...

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Jun 9, 2021 07:46:57   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Radioactive wrote:
US import restrictions limit the amount of time a DSLR can record to 29min and 59 sec. Longer than that it would be considered a video recorder with high import tariffs.


Yes, that's another concern, but isn't that worldwide?

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