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Jun 9, 2021 08:09:03   #
MrMophoto Loc: Rhode Island "The biggest little"
 
This conversation has gone on Ad Nauseum.
But I'll put in another comment anyway;
I tell my students, there are no rules, just suggestions (like speed limits). They are there so you can understand the concepts of composition. Once you understand how composition works you begin to "break the rules" to create better and more interesting images, but you should know which "rules" you are breaking and WHY.
A friend who managed a strip club for a time(long story) once said one of the rules of thumb for criminals who don't get caught is to only break one law at a time and know which law you are breaking.
I thought that was good advice

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Jun 9, 2021 08:17:04   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
186,000 miles/second...it's not just a good idea, it's the law.
--Bob
BebuLamar wrote:
So I broke the rules but just don't let anyone know.

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Jun 9, 2021 08:21:07   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
MrMophoto wrote:
This conversation has gone on Ad Nauseum.
But I'll put in another comment anyway;
...
...



Guess you're not sick enough yet to stop reading, eh.

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Jun 9, 2021 08:41:45   #
Picture Taker Loc: Michigan Thumb
 
I think in time you forget the rules and just go on and take pictures.

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Jun 9, 2021 09:02:30   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Picture Taker wrote:
I think in time you forget the rules and just go on and take pictures.



The rules are subliminal.

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Jun 9, 2021 09:06:53   #
Guyserman Loc: Benton, AR
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
I know I’m not good enough so I can break them with impunity.



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Jun 9, 2021 09:12:31   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
rmalarz wrote:
186,000 miles/second....


....but only in a pure vacuum.

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Jun 9, 2021 09:22:54   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
Wallen wrote:
With so many rules binding us, more rules to photography, specifically about composition seems to be an unwelcome guest.

Truth is, calling them rules is a misnomer. They are actually guides.
To give an example, Symmetry is opposite the Rule of Thirds. If they are both rules, one of them will be wrong.
These rules come about from studies & observation of what creates a desired effect and why they do.
I for example has my own rules -The Rule of Shadows, Make a Hero & Shoot to Purpose. This came from my experience in animation, graphic design & advertising.

Why have rules? They are invaluable tools in understanding and therefore repeating or aiming for a specific outcome. They are also good for sharing the "technique" so others understand and can repeat a desired effect.

It is true that just relying on one's own "eye" can create a good image. But knowing the rules allows one to be more consistent. It also allows for planning ahead and shooting for a purpose, not just for aesthetics and relying on luck.

Repetitive use makes it second nature will not not slow down action nor the creativity. They can be a fallback when given a challenging circumstance and finally a person's style of photography.

Again they are guides. If someone sticks to them by the letter, the photo can become too repetitive, mechanical & rigid. Probably here is where the tenet, "breaking the rules came into being", misunderstanding that they were not rules at all.

Below is a visual example of how rules guides get created and how they work or how they are applied.

1. On the first row we can see the same image repeated.
2. On the second row, we add lips and a bow that is slightly changing in shape & distance from the initial graphic.
Here we can see that the simple adjustment changes the age of the face.

3. Using a guideline for comparison, the changes are more visible.
4. We now finish with some details to support our intent to show age.
-3a mouth is adjusted. Made a little bit smaller in 4A.
-4c & 4d actually have the exact same hair but they still look a different age.

From this sample we can invent some rules for ourselves, should we want to draw the same person in different ages. We can do that by understanding what changes. Like the proportion of the face changes with age. We can say the rule of age is that the face becomes longer and more oval with time . Also in observing that a rounder face looks younger, we can use that as (one of the) creative technique if we are designing a character, thereby using the rule as guide to plan ahead a composition.

Simply put, composition in photography, is the relationship, appearance and the unifying effect of all the elements in a photo.

And the rules of composition are just guides for arranging the elements to fit a predetermined output. One must not strive to know the rules but rather to understand it. Why such arrangement works and hence know by heart what it does, thus becoming creative to how far one can play with or break it.
With so many rules binding us, more rules to photo... (show quote)


While I agree that it can be ok to break the rules of composition in photography, I also believe that they exist for a good set of reasons. Remember...those rules didn't come first and all the art in the world came later. Rather, they came in response to study of works that had already been accepted as great works. They attempt to codify at least the technical choices that made those works great. And they really don't even address the emotional and psychological pieces of the puzzle. So just following the rules is in no way going to guarantee a great photograph. But doing so might provide the basis...the start...for one.

I've talked before about my niece, who in recent years completed two degrees in music. She is a very good performer (piano and voice) and is more than just competent in composition. She also had to learn a long list of rules of composition. At the end of her study, she was told that it is very much ok to break those rules. But it is important to know when to do it and why you are doing it...there needs to be a reason. Otherwise you end up with the (musically) meaningless gibberish like what plays behind most of the movie "2001: A Space Odyssey."

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Jun 9, 2021 09:23:25   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
R.G. wrote:
....but only in a pure vacuum.

What's a few miles per second between friends.

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Jun 9, 2021 09:26:37   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
rmalarz wrote:
186,000 miles/second...it's not just a good idea, it's the law.
--Bob


Probably a little closer to 186,200 miles per second.

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Jun 9, 2021 09:41:49   #
tdozier3 Loc: Northern Illinois
 
Wallen wrote:
With so many rules binding us, more rules to photography, specifically about composition seems to be an unwelcome guest.

Truth is, calling them rules is a misnomer. They are actually guides.
To give an example, Symmetry is opposite the Rule of Thirds. If they are both rules, one of them will be wrong.
These rules come about from studies & observation of what creates a desired effect and why they do.
I for example has my own rules -The Rule of Shadows, Make a Hero & Shoot to Purpose. This came from my experience in animation, graphic design & advertising.

Why have rules? They are invaluable tools in understanding and therefore repeating or aiming for a specific outcome. They are also good for sharing the "technique" so others understand and can repeat a desired effect.

It is true that just relying on one's own "eye" can create a good image. But knowing the rules allows one to be more consistent. It also allows for planning ahead and shooting for a purpose, not just for aesthetics and relying on luck.

Repetitive use makes it second nature will not not slow down action nor the creativity. They can be a fallback when given a challenging circumstance and finally a person's style of photography.

Again they are guides. If someone sticks to them by the letter, the photo can become too repetitive, mechanical & rigid. Probably here is where the tenet, "breaking the rules came into being", misunderstanding that they were not rules at all.

Below is a visual example of how rules guides get created and how they work or how they are applied.

1. On the first row we can see the same image repeated.
2. On the second row, we add lips and a bow that is slightly changing in shape & distance from the initial graphic.
Here we can see that the simple adjustment changes the age of the face.

3. Using a guideline for comparison, the changes are more visible.
4. We now finish with some details to support our intent to show age.
-3a mouth is adjusted. Made a little bit smaller in 4A.
-4c & 4d actually have the exact same hair but they still look a different age.

From this sample we can invent some rules for ourselves, should we want to draw the same person in different ages. We can do that by understanding what changes. Like the proportion of the face changes with age. We can say the rule of age is that the face becomes longer and more oval with time . Also in observing that a rounder face looks younger, we can use that as (one of the) creative technique if we are designing a character, thereby using the rule as guide to plan ahead a composition.

Simply put, composition in photography, is the relationship, appearance and the unifying effect of all the elements in a photo.

And the rules of composition are just guides for arranging the elements to fit a predetermined output. One must not strive to know the rules but rather to understand it. Why such arrangement works and hence know by heart what it does, thus becoming creative to how far one can play with or break it.
With so many rules binding us, more rules to photo... (show quote)


You mean there are rules in photography ?

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Jun 9, 2021 09:45:07   #
CliffMcKenzie Loc: Lake Athens Texas
 
Everyone new to photography, starts with an embedded "rule" everything goes to the center of the of the image. This of course is not a "rule" but human nature. The rules of photography educate us to the possibilities; helps us see the same image differently from different angles and lights. As we progress, we see the exceptions to the rules and add them to our continuing education.

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Jun 9, 2021 10:01:51   #
User ID
 
Longshadow wrote:
Like vehicular rules?

Classic UHH straw man.

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Jun 9, 2021 10:03:57   #
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ecobin wrote:
The "rules" help one think about what's more pleasing to our eyes. I recommend reading about the "rules" with good examples. Then when shooting you needn't recall any rules as you will automatically know how to adjust for that look or to avoid a look that doesn't work. It's all experience but reading helps - reading continuously helps more.

All based on pleasing the eyes. Yuk.

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Jun 9, 2021 10:05:32   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
Longshadow wrote:
What's a few miles per second between friends.


I've known for quite a long time about light's tendency to speed up and slow down depending on the medium, but to be honest I've tried to not let it bother me. Pity about the CA though .

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