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Jun 11, 2021 17:52:47   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
rmalarz wrote:
Even then, without knowing my exposure techniques and, even more importantly, my processing techniques coupled with those exposure techniques, one would be at a loss to duplicate the photograph.
--Bob

So true!

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Jun 11, 2021 23:02:03   #
Jandjeby14
 
What ever you call it a photograph, picture, image or "whatever" it is intended to communicate. Whatever communicates an idea or feeling or elicits an esthetic response is a real photo and whatever took it is a real camera!

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Jun 11, 2021 23:57:28   #
Latsok Loc: Recently moved to Washington State.
 
Yes indeed.

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Jun 12, 2021 11:08:33   #
ctsteps5
 
AMEN!!

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Jun 12, 2021 16:51:53   #
IDguy Loc: Idaho
 
DavidA wrote:
I often see a poster apologizing for showing an image from their cellphone because their real camera wasn’t available. What constitutes a “real” camera?


Not hardwired to a phone for starters.

Larger sensor and wide range of controls.

Better images…especially in less than bright sun.

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Jun 12, 2021 17:43:26   #
RodeoMan Loc: St Joseph, Missouri
 
IDguy wrote:
Not hardwired to a phone for starters.

Larger sensor and wide range of controls.

Better images…especially in less than bright sun.


So all the "cameras in the 1800's and for most of 1900's were not real cameras. Would a Kodak Brownie that memorialized the lives of millions of people not be a real camera? How about a 110? If in the future, a top of the line Canon, Nikon, etc came out with capability of making and receiving phone calls, would it cease to be a camera? I have an idea. Why don't we study our craft to the extent that each of us cares to do and go out and about enjoying photography to the extent that we care to do so offering assistance and helpful commentary to our fellow practioners rather than passing judgment on others because of how they choose to practice this hobby or craft and regardless of the "tools" they use to do so.

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Jun 12, 2021 17:54:59   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
RodeoMan wrote:
So all the "cameras in the 1800's and for most of 1900's were not real cameras. Would a Kodak Brownie that memorialized the lives of millions of people not be a real camera? How about a 110? If in the future, a top of the line Canon, Nikon, etc came out with capability of making and receiving phone calls, would it cease to be a camera? I have an idea. Why don't we study our craft to the extent that each of us cares to do and go out and about enjoying photography to the extent that we care to do so offering assistance and helpful commentary to our fellow practioners rather than passing judgment on others because of how they choose to practice this hobby or craft and regardless of the "tools" they use to do so.
So all the "cameras in the 1800's and for mos... (show quote)

There's a concept!

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Jun 12, 2021 22:04:42   #
Latsok Loc: Recently moved to Washington State.
 

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Jun 12, 2021 22:19:43   #
Harry0 Loc: Gardena, Cal
 
DavidA wrote:
I often see a poster apologizing for showing an image from their cellphone because their real camera wasn’t available. What constitutes a “real” camera?


Folder. 120 film. Every thing else is pagan heresy.

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Jun 13, 2021 01:04:24   #
kb6kgx Loc: Simi Valley, CA
 
RodeoMan wrote:
So all the "cameras in the 1800's and for most of 1900's were not real cameras. Would a Kodak Brownie that memorialized the lives of millions of people not be a real camera? How about a 110? If in the future, a top of the line Canon, Nikon, etc came out with capability of making and receiving phone calls, would it cease to be a camera? I have an idea. Why don't we study our craft to the extent that each of us cares to do and go out and about enjoying photography to the extent that we care to do so offering assistance and helpful commentary to our fellow practioners rather than passing judgment on others because of how they choose to practice this hobby or craft and regardless of the "tools" they use to do so.
So all the "cameras in the 1800's and for mos... (show quote)


As I stated earlier in this discussion, yes, even a simple box with a tiny "pinhole" on one side and a sheet of film on the opposite side, is a "real" camera.

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Jun 13, 2021 09:15:57   #
BigDaddy Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
 
RodeoMan wrote:
...If in the future, a top of the line Canon, Nikon, etc came out with capability of making and receiving phone calls, would it cease to be a camera? ...

This got me to thinking. I would bet Cell Phones take more pictures than make phone calls. My wife and I receive few phone calls, mostly spam calls we try to block. We get a ton of text messages. My kids do most contacts with everyone with text messages. Even the rare "phone" calls are done with Messenger or on the portal so voice is combined with video (Dick Tracy like).

My kids are in their mid 30's and I'm thinking only old curmudgeons even use cell phones as phones much, so they are already "camera's with phone capabilities...."

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Jun 13, 2021 09:36:36   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
BigDaddy wrote:
This got me to thinking. I would bet Cell Phones take more pictures than make phone calls. My wife and I receive few phone calls, mostly spam calls we try to block. We get a ton of text messages. My kids do most contacts with everyone with text messages. Even the rare "phone" calls are done with Messenger or on the portal so voice is combined with video (Dick Tracy like).

My kids are in their mid 30's and I'm thinking only old curmudgeons even use cell phones as phones much, so they are already "camera's with phone capabilities...."
This got me to thinking. I would bet Cell Phones ... (show quote)

My cellular communications/computing device usage:
1. calendar
2. grocery list
3. messaging
4. phone
5. weather
6. other apps
7. camera

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Jun 14, 2021 08:42:14   #
BigDaddy Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
 
Longshadow wrote:
My cellular communications/computing device usage:
1. calendar
2. grocery list
3. messaging
4. phone
5. weather
6. other apps
7. camera

The fact you use your PC (Portable Computer, aka, cell phone) more as a phone than as a camera indicates your an old curmudgeon. The fact you use it for messaging more than as a phone indicates your not THAT old of a curmudgeon.

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Jun 14, 2021 09:06:44   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
BigDaddy wrote:
The fact you use your PC (Portable Computer, aka, cell phone) more as a phone than as a camera indicates your an old curmudgeon. The fact you use it for messaging more than as a phone indicates your not THAT old of a curmudgeon.


Nah, I just favor the ergonomics of my DSLR more than the phone.
Plus, I get 15Mp RAW out of my DSLR, only 8Mp and no RAW from my phone.

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May 25, 2022 17:56:40   #
graybeard
 
l-fox wrote:
Pitiful, a cry for attention.


Seems like a simple and worthwhile question. If it does not rate a reply from your exalted self, why the cheap shot ??

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