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Apr 8, 2021 15:33:38   #
sab2101 Loc: Henderson Nv.
 
I am considering buying a second DSLR something very simple. My main consideration at this point is the Canon T-7, and adding the Tamron 18-200 lense. Any thoughts on this combination I would greatly appreciate it. I am trying to keep the cost down, and buy a NEW outfit. Thank you for your input............Mike

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Apr 8, 2021 15:40:41   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
sab2101 wrote:
I am considering buying a second DSLR something very simple. My main consideration at this point is the Canon T-7, and adding the Tamron 18-200 lense. Any thoughts on this combination I would greatly appreciate it. I am trying to keep the cost down, and buy a NEW outfit. Thank you for your input............Mike


Very good choice.
From a current Canon user primarily.

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Apr 8, 2021 15:44:23   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
What camera are you looking to supplement / compliment? Is the T7 distinct from your current camera, or just a repeat of a cropped 24MP sensor? The T7 is very bare-bones for functions, but still fully capable of superior images, based on the lens coupled with the camera's industry standard 24MP sensor, a good mix for landscapes and general, non action photography.

The entry level models like the EOS T7 are rarely sold alone. Have you considered if you can buy a body only for this model?

Have you considered any other cameras used? Many times you can buy a used body and get an overall more advanced body for the same price of a lower-end brand new camera. That may be more effective for keeping costs down.

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Apr 8, 2021 15:52:23   #
sab2101 Loc: Henderson Nv.
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
What camera are you looking to supplement / compliment? Is the T7 distinct from your current camera, or just a repeat of a cropped 24MP sensor?

The entry level models like the EOS T7 are rarely sold alone. Have you considered if you can buy a body only for this model?

Have you considered any other cameras used? Many times you can buy a used body and get an overall more advanced body for the same price of a lower-end brand new camera. That may be more effective for keeping costs down.
What camera are you looking to supplement / compli... (show quote)


I am replacing a Nikon I might use the t7 as a standalone camera thank you

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Apr 8, 2021 15:54:14   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
sab2101 wrote:
I am replacing a Nikon I might use the t7 as a standalone camera thank you


Just to confirm, there's not cross-compatibility with a Nikon, so new lens(es) are needed along with the new Canon body. Initially, you said adding 'a second' rather than 'replacing'. I trying to help in the larger context of your portfolio of cameras, making it worthwhile to know all the cameras involved.

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Apr 8, 2021 16:03:21   #
sab2101 Loc: Henderson Nv.
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Just to confirm, there's not cross-compatibility with a Nikon, so new lens(es) are needed along with the new Canon body. Initially, you said adding 'a second' rather than 'replacing'. I trying to help in the larger context of your portfolio of cameras, making it worthwhile to know all the cameras involved.


I am considering purchasing the t7 I'm getting a Tamron 18 to 200 lens looking for input on the combination and thank you

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Apr 8, 2021 16:13:08   #
sab2101 Loc: Henderson Nv.
 
sab2101 wrote:
I am considering purchasing the t7 I'm getting a Tamron 18 to 200 lens looking for input on the combination and thank you


I was originally planning on a bridge camera however there are none available in my area the best thing I could get into would be the Canon t7 I compare it with the Tamron 18 to 200 millimeter lens looking for input on these combinations if anybody has any input I would gratefully appreciate it and thank you all

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Apr 8, 2021 22:26:04   #
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sab2101 wrote:
I am considering purchasing the t7 I'm getting a Tamron 18 to 200 lens looking for input on the combination and thank you

For sure. Go for it.

Often grab an SL-1 when heading out. SL-1 is about as bare bones as Rebels can get. Usually with a 15-85. There’s something appealing about small and basic no-frills gear.

Most folks seem to favor much more reach than I tend to use. That 15mm short end is more important for me.

Does the Tamron have IS ? All Rebels are quite light. Even at “only” 85mm, medium and slow shutter speed shots show benefit from IS. I wouldn’t ever want a 200mm without it.

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The 15-85 reminds me of the 28-135 range that was my fave with film but now I’m hooked on the slightly wider short end.

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Apr 9, 2021 10:46:07   #
one_eyed_pete Loc: Colonie NY
 
sab2101 wrote:
I am replacing a Nikon I might use the t7 as a standalone camera thank you


Sorry I can't comment on that combination. However I must comment on the confusion factor of using two different camera systems with vastly different menu/operator interface structures. I have that now with a Canon 80D and a Panny G9. When I switch I have to take a few minutes to refamiliarize myself with the specific setting differences. Doable but makes the head spin sometimes.

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Apr 9, 2021 10:55:19   #
sab2101 Loc: Henderson Nv.
 
Thank you all for the replies............Mike

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Apr 9, 2021 12:12:50   #
PHRubin Loc: Nashville TN USA
 
What are your concerns about a mail order bridge camera from a reputable camera store? I love my Canon SX50 HS but I also just got a Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS80 because I wanted something I could put in a jacket pocket.

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Apr 9, 2021 12:18:47   #
sab2101 Loc: Henderson Nv.
 
PHRubin wrote:
What are your concerns about a mail order bridge camera from a reputable camera store? I love my Canon SX50 HS but I also just got a Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS80 because I wanted something I could put in a jacket pocket.


I don't. like to purchase something like that from mail order, but thanks for your idea...

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Apr 9, 2021 14:11:27   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
sab2101 wrote:
I am considering buying a second DSLR something very simple. My main consideration at this point is the Canon T-7, and adding the Tamron 18-200 lense. Any thoughts on this combination I would greatly appreciate it. I am trying to keep the cost down, and buy a NEW outfit. Thank you for your input............Mike


The T7 is a real "throwback" model lacking a lot of features of modern DSLRs. It's "beyond" simple. I sometimes wonder if Canon is just using up old parts stock in their most entry-level models like the T7.

The T7 also known as the EOS 1500D or 2000D in other parts of the world (and the even more entry-level EOS 4000D that's not officially sold in the U.S.)....

--- uses a Digic 4 processor. This is 6 generations out of date. Canon is building cameras with Digic 10 ("X") processors now! In fact, the T6 also used a Digic 4... just about the only difference between the T6 and T7 is that the newer model got a 24MP sensor, where the earlier model uses an 18MP.

--- lacks a self-cleaning sensor, which is a feature found on EVERY HIGHER Canon model. This will mean doing manual sensor cleanings far more often.

--- lacks Anti-Flicker, which is a feature found on EVERY HIGHER Canon model since it was introduced on the 7D Mark II, except for M-series mirrorless other than the latest M6 Mark II. When it's enabled, Anti-Flicker almost entirely solves a very common exposure problem when shooting under fluorescent and similar types of lighting.

--- uses a 9-point AF system that's nearly identical to what was introduced on the 20D in mid-2004.

--- is mostly made of plastic.

If at all possible, I would highly recommend spending just a little more to get an SL2 or SL3 (also known as 200D & 250D).... or a T6i/750D, T6s/760D, T7i/800D, 77D or T8i/850D. Even used or refurbished, all these models are much more up to date and have all the above mentioned features, better build and improved to much improved AF systems. (Note: SL2, SL3 use essentially the same 9-point AF system, but with their much later generation processors are likely to give better performance with it.)

For example, where the T7's 9-point AF system has a single, higher performance "dual axis" point at the center... all those models (except SL2/SL3) have either 19-point or 45-point AF with all points the higher performance dual axis type. Where T7's AF is "f/5.6 limited" (as are SL2/SL3 and T6i/T6s), the other models are "f/8 capable". This means you can combine teleconverters with far more lenses and be able to autofocus. It also means the camera are able to autofocus in lower light conditions and generally offers higher performance under a wide range of conditions.

The T7, T6, SL2 & SL3 also use Canon LP-E10 battery, the smallest in any Canon interchangeable lens cameras with 860mAh. The other "Rebel" models use LP-E17 with 1040mAh, while the next step up 90D, 80D, 7DII etc. use even larger LP-E6 series batteries (latest version is 2130mAh). The larger batteries allow for more shots to be taken per battery charge.

No Canon battery grip is available for T7, T6, etc., or for SL2/SL3 (also none is avail. for T7i, 77D or T8i). Worse, the cameras are not designed to accommodate a grip. Vello makes one to fit T7i and 77D, which doubles battery capacity but it lacks a lot of the functionality that was available with the OEM and 3rd party grips for T6i/T6s and for earlier models in that series.

The T7/T6 rear LCD is fixed and isn't a touchscreen. SL2/SL3 and higher models are all articulated. They are also all touchscreens (except, I think, for the T6i/T6s).

This compares the T7 with one step up, to the extra compact SL3: https://cameradecision.com/compare/Canon-EOS-Rebel-SL3-vs-Canon-EOS-Rebel-T7

As you can see, there are significant improvements even with that single step up. It's even more dramatic compared to, say, T7i: https://cameradecision.com/compare/Canon-EOS-Rebel-T7i-vs-Canon-EOS-Rebel-T7

You can change the above to see how other models compare. Plus there are many other websites with thorough reviews. Bryan Carnathan's https://www.the-digital-picture.com/ specializes in Canon gear and has extensive, careful reviews of most models. Highly recommended.

In other words, the T7 is a VERY basic model. It's a step up from a camera phone, but a step down from most DSLRs made the last five or ten years.

I'm not saying the T7 is "bad"... it's built to be cheap... and with 24MP sensor is actually pretty good for such an entry-level model.

But, T7 cannot be bought "body only". It's ONLY ever offered with at least one kit lens, and it's always paired up with the least capable of those. The two-lens kit comes with the EF 75-300mm III, which is the worst telephoto zoom Canon makes. Even the SL3 comes with much better EF-S 18-55mm "STM" and EF-S 55-250mm "STM" lenses. The latter, in particular, is a very significant step up from that 75-300mm.

Granted, at around $450 new with the 18-55mm lens, it doesn't get much cheaper for an interchangeable lens camera than the T7. It will cost $150 more for an SL3 body only new, or $250 more for that camera with the better 18-55mm STM lens.

If you would consider factory refurbished direct from Canon USA., which have same warranty as new and generally look like new other than the box they come in, you can get the better camera models for close to the same price as a new T7. It will require some patience, though.... as the stock comes and goes there quickly. They recently had a big sale (I bought an EF-M lens for my M5) and sold out of a lot of items. Among Canon's APS-C DSLRs, right now only refurbished 90D are in stock. If you create an account there, I think you can put out of stock items on your "wish list" to be notified when they come back in stock. https://shop.usa.canon.com/shop/en/catalog/cameras/refurbished-eos-interchangeable-lens-cameras#facet:-810369798332574868,-810369798332821019810110832837651,-8103697983328210198101108328455,-810369798332555568,-810369798332564868,-8103697983328210198101108328455105,-8103697983328210198101108328454&productBeginIndex:0&orderBy:11&pageView:grid&pageSize:&

EDIT: The original "SL1" (EOS 100D) has quite entry level specs, much like the T6 it sold alongside. They share a lot of "basic" features, except the SL1 was built to be "the smallest, lightest DLSR" anyone had ever made. In fact, it rivals some mirrorless cameras. The SL2 & now the SL3 are a different matter. While they still share some features of the entry-level T7 (esp. the AF system), both SL2 and SL3 gained just a little weight and got a lot of the same features as more advanced models, including much newer generation processors, faster continuous shooting rates, articulated touchscreen LCDs, self-cleaning sensors, Anti-Flicker and more. The difference between the SL2 and SL3 is primarily that the newer model has a few improvements related to shooting video. Otherwise the SL2 and SL3 are very similar.

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Apr 9, 2021 14:54:43   #
sab2101 Loc: Henderson Nv.
 
amfoto1 wrote:
The T7 is a real "throwback" model lacking a lot of features of modern DSLRs. It's "beyond" simple. I sometimes wonder if Canon is just using up old parts stock in their most entry-level models like the T7.

The T7 also known as the EOS 1500D or 2000D in other parts of the world (and the even more entry-level EOS 4000D that's not officially sold in the U.S.)....

--- uses a Digic 4 processor. This is 6 generations out of date. Canon is building cameras with Digic 10 ("X") processors now! In fact, the T6 also used a Digic 4... just about the only difference between the T6 and T7 is that the newer model got a 24MP sensor, where the earlier model uses an 18MP.

--- lacks a self-cleaning sensor, which is a feature found on EVERY HIGHER Canon model. This will mean doing manual sensor cleanings far more often.

--- lacks Anti-Flicker, which is a feature found on EVERY HIGHER Canon model since it was introduced on the 7D Mark II, except for M-series mirrorless other than the latest M6 Mark II. When it's enabled, Anti-Flicker almost entirely solves a very common exposure problem when shooting under fluorescent and similar types of lighting.

--- uses a 9-point AF system that's nearly identical to what was introduced on the 20D in mid-2004.

--- is mostly made of plastic.

If at all possible, I would highly recommend spending just a little more to get an SL2 or SL3 (also known as 200D & 250D).... or a T6i/750D, T6s/760D, T7i/800D, 77D or T8i/850D. Even used or refurbished, all these models are much more up to date and have all the above mentioned features, better build and improved to much improved AF systems. (Note: SL2, SL3 use essentially the same 9-point AF system, but with their much later generation processors are likely to give better performance with it.)

For example, where the T7's 9-point AF system has a single, higher performance "dual axis" point at the center... all those models (except SL2/SL3) have either 19-point or 45-point AF with all points the higher performance dual axis type. Where T7's AF is "f/5.6 limited" (as are SL2/SL3 and T6i/T6s), the other models are "f/8 capable". This means you can combine teleconverters with far more lenses and be able to autofocus. It also means the camera are able to autofocus in lower light conditions and generally offers higher performance under a wide range of conditions.

The T7, T6, SL2 & SL3 also use Canon LP-E10 battery, the smallest in any Canon interchangeable lens cameras with 860mAh. The other "Rebel" models use LP-E17 with 1040mAh, while the next step up 90D, 80D, 7DII etc. use even larger LP-E6 series batteries (latest version is 2130mAh). The larger batteries allow for more shots to be taken per battery charge.

No Canon battery grip is available for T7, T6, etc., or for SL2/SL3 (also none is avail. for T7i, 77D or T8i). Worse, the cameras are not designed to accommodate a grip. Vello makes one to fit T7i and 77D, which doubles battery capacity but it lacks a lot of the functionality that was available with the OEM and 3rd party grips for T6i/T6s and for earlier models in that series.

The T7/T6 rear LCD is fixed and isn't a touchscreen. SL2/SL3 and higher models are all articulated. They are also all touchscreens (except, I think, for the T6i/T6s).

This compares the T7 with one step up, to the extra compact SL3: https://cameradecision.com/compare/Canon-EOS-Rebel-SL3-vs-Canon-EOS-Rebel-T7

As you can see, there are significant improvements even with that single step up. It's even more dramatic compared to, say, T7i: https://cameradecision.com/compare/Canon-EOS-Rebel-T7i-vs-Canon-EOS-Rebel-T7

You can change the above to see how other models compare. Plus there are many other websites with thorough reviews. Bryan Carnathan's https://www.the-digital-picture.com/ specializes in Canon gear and has extensive, careful reviews of most models. Highly recommended.

In other words, the T7 is a VERY basic model. It's a step up from a camera phone, but a step down from most DSLRs made the last five or ten years.

I'm not saying the T7 is "bad"... it's built to be cheap... and with 24MP sensor is actually pretty good for such an entry-level model.

But, T7 cannot be bought "body only". It's ONLY ever offered with at least one kit lens, and it's always paired up with the least capable of those. The two-lens kit comes with the EF 75-300mm III, which is the worst telephoto zoom Canon makes. Even the SL3 comes with much better EF-S 18-55mm "STM" and EF-S 55-250mm "STM" lenses. The latter, in particular, is a very significant step up from that 75-300mm.

Granted, at around $450 new with the 18-55mm lens, it doesn't get much cheaper for an interchangeable lens camera than the T7. It will cost $150 more for an SL3 body only new, or $250 more for that camera with the better 18-55mm STM lens.

If you would consider factory refurbished direct from Canon USA., which have same warranty as new and generally look like new other than the box they come in, you can get the better camera models for close to the same price as a new T7. It will require some patience, though.... as the stock comes and goes there quickly. They recently had a big sale (I bought an EF-M lens for my M5) and sold out of a lot of items. Among Canon's APS-C DSLRs, right now only refurbished 90D are in stock. If you create an account there, I think you can put out of stock items on your "wish list" to be notified when they come back in stock. https://shop.usa.canon.com/shop/en/catalog/cameras/refurbished-eos-interchangeable-lens-cameras#facet:-810369798332574868,-810369798332821019810110832837651,-8103697983328210198101108328455,-810369798332555568,-810369798332564868,-8103697983328210198101108328455105,-8103697983328210198101108328454&productBeginIndex:0&orderBy:11&pageView:grid&pageSize:&

EDIT: The original "SL1" (EOS 100D) has quite entry level specs, much like the T6 it sold alongside. They share a lot of "basic" features, except the SL1 was built to be "the smallest, lightest DLSR" anyone had ever made. In fact, it rivals some mirrorless cameras. The SL2 & now the SL3 are a different matter. While they still share some features of the entry-level T7 (esp. the AF system), both SL2 and SL3 gained just a little weight and got a lot of the same features as more advanced models, including much newer generation processors, faster continuous shooting rates, articulated touchscreen LCDs, self-cleaning sensors, Anti-Flicker and more. The difference between the SL2 and SL3 is primarily that the newer model has a few improvements related to shooting video. Otherwise the SL2 and SL3 are very similar.
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Thank you very much for your reply I really appreciate it once again thank you

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Apr 9, 2021 16:04:06   #
sab2101 Loc: Henderson Nv.
 
Thank you all I decided to go with the Lumix fz1000 2nd edition thank you all for your response I appreciate it very much once again thank you Mike

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