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Apr 8, 2021 12:03:51   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
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Same here, what’s different can become pretty much the same. Using both brands of SLRs, both brands of m43, and Sony, it’s not just raw that can bury the difference. My own jpg approach has a similar effect to raw. All my jpg settings produce sooc low contrast and low saturation results to somewhat extend whatever DR jpg is able to record.

This does help increase shadow and highlight data but it means *every* jpg needs PP just to be “presentable”, similar to dealing with a raw file. So, since every file must be “seasoned to taste”, and my taste is pretty consistent, there’s no real difference marking camera or lens brands ... not ignoring that the camera and lens brands are all mix-and-match due to adapters and also 3rd party SLR lenses.

But this rumor of “early digital” colors led me to borrow a low mileage D200 for a few days, and to shoot jpgs at its default settings. I discovered nothing. The pix look OK but I had no frame of reference due to never using any other cameras at default settings.

There was nothing wrong with the default jpgs from the D200, but nothing intriguing either. Therefore I didn’t set any of my own cameras back to default for comparison. I just returned the D200.

Even though I could’ve owned a mint D200 for pocket money, I encountered no reason to add a big clunky SLR of very limited capability to my flock. If I had been distinctly struck by a magic color palette I could’ve kept it and worked within its limits.

I’m similarly intrigued by the tales of Sigma Merrill color, but nobody has one to lend me, and they’re not pocket money cheap.
Same here, what’s different can become pretty much... (show quote)


I don’t get why you would shoot a flat jpeg instead of raw if you’re gonna expose it to process it. There’s no real advantage and some definite disadvantages.

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Apr 8, 2021 12:12:39   #
Quixdraw Loc: x
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
I don’t get why you would shoot a flat jpeg instead of raw if you’re gonna expose it to process it. There’s no real advantage and some definite disadvantages.


Pretty simple - I don't enjoy the computer work, I do like the photos I get without. Since I am not being paid for work, I can do as I like.

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Apr 8, 2021 12:27:02   #
wweary
 
I found Fuji Velvia a good replacement for Kodachrome with my screw-mount Leica.

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Apr 8, 2021 12:42:49   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
quixdraw wrote:
Pretty simple - I don't enjoy the computer work, I do like the photos I get without. Since I am not being paid for work, I can do as I like.


If you’ll notice I wasn’t asking you since you didn’t say you specifically shoot jpegs flat for PP.

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Apr 8, 2021 13:04:08   #
User ID
 
quixdraw wrote:
The only ones I have experience with are the two discussed, and I do see a difference. And, yes, they are boat anchors compared to my others The Sigma is intriguing, i've been impressed with samples I've seen. Per the major photo media, they are working on a new sensor and up for a resurgence. I am certain they will be quite expensive.

Yes expensive. I never make price comparison about “bang for the buck”. I don’t care if Merrill is verrrrry far from cost effective. Just as with my using both EVF and SLR, it’s only about whether I like the results and the (whole) interface, and can I afford it. I don’t care what “tests better” or “scores higher” for less money. It only matters if I like it and can afford it. Elite items are beyond my budget if they are the current or immediately previous generation, and are new in box.

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Apr 8, 2021 13:26:30   #
Quixdraw Loc: x
 
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Yes expensive. I never make price comparison about “bang for the buck”. I don’t care if Merrill is verrrrry far from cost effective. Just as with my using both EVF and SLR, it’s only about whether I like the results and the (whole) interface, and can I afford it. I don’t care what “tests better” or “scores higher” for less money. It only matters if I like it and can afford it. Elite items are beyond my budget if they are the current or immediately previous generation, and are new in box.


Absolutely in re; cost / value. I do think there can be great value in previous top of the line items. It has worked well for me for years with Racing Bicycles and Camera gear. Condition and parsing the time / price point critical.

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Apr 8, 2021 13:50:30   #
Ghery Loc: Olympia, WA
 
whfowle wrote:
Looking forward to your pics. My favorite film in the 60's and 70's was Kodachrome 25. Never liked Ektachrome because of the blue/green tint.


I shot a bunch of Kodachrome 25 and later Kodachrome 64 and did not care for Ektachrome for the same reason. The first roll out of my Minolta SRT-102 (graduation gift from college) was Ektachrome and I had a roll of Ektachrome high speed that I loaded and shot for inside a cave in the late 1970s, but other than that, Kodachrome was it until I switched to digital.

I've got a number of pictures from growing up (1950s through early 1970s) that my dad shot, all in Kodachrome II (the old name for Kodachrome 25). He converted them to digital by projecting them and taking pictures of the projected images. They still looked great when he did the conversion in the 2000s, as do my Kodachrome shots from the early 1970s and later. Great film, I was sorry to see it go.

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Apr 8, 2021 13:55:18   #
DaveyDitzer Loc: Western PA
 
"Momma, don't take my Kodachrome away ...." S&G

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Apr 8, 2021 14:10:37   #
JohnR Loc: Hobart, Tasmania, Australia
 
quixdraw wrote:
If you check my D2x and D3 posts there are a few. I'll probably gather ten favorites and post under the title The Kodachrome Project toward the end of the week. Thanks for your interest!


Looking forward to seeing them

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Apr 8, 2021 14:17:18   #
DWU2 Loc: Phoenix Arizona area
 
quixdraw wrote:
Back in December I bought a Nikon D2x - got a great deal from Pixelstan77. Basically, he listed it for sale and I bought it because the weather was bad and I was bored. It usually takes me a month to six weeks to work through camera and manual, something I much enjoy, and good value for my recreation / camera dollar. As I started to use the camera, I was taken with the color rendition, different from my other Digital cameras, and almost familiar. A big camera, only DX, and somewhat limited compared to newer ones, but the color! Spring ahead (pun intended) to mid March. I found an inexpensive, well cared for D3 with a relatively low shutter count. As you have seen, I've been using that a lot, with new and old Nikon lenses. The color from the D3, even better, and the camera wonderfully easy to use with AI and AIS Nikon lenses, possibly even easier than my Df. My best and oldest friend, an excellent photographer with years of experience similar to mine, returned from an extended business trip and we got a chance to talk cameras. After the conversation, I sent him a dozen or so shots from the two cameras. His note back was that they resembled Kodachrome. He is a sophisticated post processor, and commented that it is difficult to get that look in post. Post is not something I do very much, a search online found all sorts of ideas on doing just that. Doesn't sound easy. At any rate, based on what I learned from the two old Ds, I'm continuing to use both of them, but am adjusting a couple of my newer digital Nikons to produce similar results. Early days, but fun and promising.
Back in December I bought a Nikon D2x - got a grea... (show quote)

For what it's worth, in the NIK suite, ColorEfex has a variety of film emulation presets, including Kodachrome 64.

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Apr 8, 2021 15:12:44   #
AirWalter Loc: Tipp City, Ohio
 
quixdraw wrote:
Back in December I bought a Nikon D2x - got a great deal from Pixelstan77. Basically, he listed it for sale and I bought it because the weather was bad and I was bored. It usually takes me a month to six weeks to work through camera and manual, something I much enjoy, and good value for my recreation / camera dollar. As I started to use the camera, I was taken with the color rendition, different from my other Digital cameras, and almost familiar. A big camera, only DX, and somewhat limited compared to newer ones, but the color! Spring ahead (pun intended) to mid March. I found an inexpensive, well cared for D3 with a relatively low shutter count. As you have seen, I've been using that a lot, with new and old Nikon lenses. The color from the D3, even better, and the camera wonderfully easy to use with AI and AIS Nikon lenses, possibly even easier than my Df. My best and oldest friend, an excellent photographer with years of experience similar to mine, returned from an extended business trip and we got a chance to talk cameras. After the conversation, I sent him a dozen or so shots from the two cameras. His note back was that they resembled Kodachrome. He is a sophisticated post processor, and commented that it is difficult to get that look in post. Post is not something I do very much, a search online found all sorts of ideas on doing just that. Doesn't sound easy. At any rate, based on what I learned from the two old Ds, I'm continuing to use both of them, but am adjusting a couple of my newer digital Nikons to produce similar results. Early days, but fun and promising.
Back in December I bought a Nikon D2x - got a grea... (show quote)


The best days of my life concerning camera's was my tour of duty in S. Korea as a Nike Hercules Repairman. I got to travel to various sites where the missile launchers where located, and I always had my Canonet with me loaded with Kodachrome 64. The slides and pictures were always focus sharp and the color was magnificent. Wonderful memories. I still have that Canonet; I just might have to go buy some film this spring. Thanks for reminding me Quixdraw.


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Apr 8, 2021 16:03:43   #
RodeoMan Loc: St Joseph, Missouri
 
Very interesting post, Quixdraw. I agree with your "philosophy" about photography. If you are going to do it, then enjoy it. I looked at Pbase Camera Library. I went to Nikon and then to 2007 where I found the D3. I looked at many of the samples. Brian Chang's samples of a car show certainly show how well the D3 handles color.

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Apr 8, 2021 16:07:00   #
mffox Loc: Avon, CT
 
Looking forward to seeing your work.
Mark

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Apr 8, 2021 16:18:30   #
Quixdraw Loc: x
 
wweary wrote:
I found Fuji Velvia a good replacement for Kodachrome with my screw-mount Leica.


Actually I have Dad's M3 as well as several of my old Nikon film cameras. Rockwell always praised Velvia. Had heard it was discontinued, but apparently back in production with a new film base. Two things stop me, the logistics, shoot, send, wait, pay, and the fact that I'm spoiled by digital. Was thinking about that just a few minutes ago. How remarkable it was that I could walk outside, take half a dozen photos, walk back into the house and "develop" and if desired, print them in moments. Trying to have my cake and eat it too!

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Apr 8, 2021 16:19:05   #
Quixdraw Loc: x
 
RodeoMan wrote:
Very interesting post, Quixdraw. I agree with your "philosophy" about photography. If you are going to do it, then enjoy it. I looked at Pbase Camera Library. I went to Nikon and then to 2007 where I found the D3. I looked at many of the samples. Brian Chang's samples of a car show certainly show how well the D3 handles color.


Thanks for your input, it is appreciated!

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