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Apr 10, 2021 20:51:30   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
All artists are willing to suffer for their work, but why make it worse with a DSLR?

I must be a glutton for punishment.

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Apr 10, 2021 20:59:28   #
srt101fan
 
wide2tele wrote:
This thread and every thread for the past 20 years is about tech. It's about more resolution, better performing sensors and greater camera automation.

I'm certainly not going to change to mirrorless. There are literally no advantages for what I want from this hobby whatsoever. Digital was a switch I reluctantly made and there simply wasn't a choice for me back then.

Today, I can do as I please. I don't want the tech. I don't want the advancements. I want the challenge!
I want to deal with the deficiencies of older DSLR cameras. I want to deal with noise. I want to be forced to make decisions and work around the limitations of my gear. This is what makes photography fun for me.

I find the end photographic result to be secondary to the journey of getting there. This is what gives me enjoyment and keeps me entertained. I'm not in search of the ultimate 200mp point and shoot camera.

I think it's very sad tech has replaced technique over the past 20 years.

Long live the DSLR.
This thread and every thread for the past 20 years... (show quote)


I may not fully agree, but I admire your stance. Go get 'em! 😐

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Apr 10, 2021 21:07:11   #
wide2tele Loc: Australia
 
srt101fan wrote:
I may not fully agree, but I admire your stance. Go get 'em! 😐

Thank you.
We all choose our own path and we will never unanimously agree which direction we should take.
For this reason, many things in photography will be debated for years to come.
I just wanted to make my reasoning for my direction clear this one time.

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Apr 10, 2021 21:12:16   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Wasn't there a story about the Donners who took the path less traveled?

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Apr 10, 2021 21:20:51   #
wide2tele Loc: Australia
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Wasn't there a story about the Donners who took the path less traveled?

The treasure will never be found on the path traveled most. It's only the adventurer who will find the great reward.

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Apr 10, 2021 21:22:50   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Wasn't there a story about the Donners who took the path less traveled?

Yes, only once, and they didn't have a DSLR.

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Apr 10, 2021 21:23:08   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
wide2tele wrote:
The treasure will never be found on the path traveled most. It's only the adventurer who will find the great reward.


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Apr 10, 2021 21:23:24   #
srt101fan
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Wasn't there a story about the Donners who took the path less traveled?


And your sitting around in the Windy City wondering how history might have turned out differently if they had had mirror-less cameras?.....😕

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Apr 10, 2021 21:23:46   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes. Art is knowing which images came from the mirrorless cameras.

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Apr 10, 2021 21:24:30   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes. Art is knowing which images came from mirrorless cameras.

How does Art know that?

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Apr 10, 2021 21:26:06   #
wide2tele Loc: Australia
 
Longshadow wrote:
Yes, only once, and they didn't have a DSLR.


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Apr 10, 2021 21:26:07   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one’s courage to change to a mirrorless camera.

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Apr 10, 2021 22:57:07   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
larryepage wrote:
The Z6 is certainly an example where the advance hasn't been traded for pixels. But that was a choice that is also not format dependent. The same advance could be easily implemented in a DSLR or some sort of point-and-shoot, for that matter.

Look...if you or anyone else finds the need to take a loss on your perfectly functional DSLR or whatever else you might be shooting and spend a few thousand dollars on a new systen, that is your (or their) business. More power to you, as many of my relatives are fond of saying.

Just stop the propaganda seeking to justify the decision in your own mind by trying to tell me I am an idiot for not falling in line behind you when I know it isn't necessary.

If my house burns down some day and I have to replace all my equipment, it will probably have to be with a mirrorless system, or with whatever newer and even "better" system the manufacturers come up with by then. Until that time, I'm fine.

Really.
The Z6 is certainly an example where the advance h... (show quote)


Well the assertion of my original comment was that mirrorless aren’t better in low light because they’re mirrorless, but because they have newer sensor technology.

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Apr 11, 2021 01:35:29   #
wide2tele Loc: Australia
 
Longshadow wrote:
How does Art know that?

I don't think he's real. I think he's a mirrorless internet bot.

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Apr 11, 2021 08:38:25   #
petrochemist Loc: UK
 
wide2tele wrote:
This thread and every thread for the past 20 years is about tech. It's about more resolution, better performing sensors and greater camera automation.

I'm certainly not going to change to mirrorless. There are literally no advantages for what I want from this hobby whatsoever. Digital was a switch I reluctantly made and there simply wasn't a choice for me back then.

Today, I can do as I please. I don't want the tech. I don't want the advancements. I want the challenge!
I want to deal with the deficiencies of older DSLR cameras. I want to deal with noise. I want to be forced to make decisions and work around the limitations of my gear. This is what makes photography fun for me.

I find the end photographic result to be secondary to the journey of getting there. This is what gives me enjoyment and keeps me entertained. I'm not in search of the ultimate 200mp point and shoot camera.

I think it's very sad tech has replaced technique over the past 20 years.

Long live the DSLR.
This thread and every thread for the past 20 years... (show quote)


I'm also keen on the challenge. When I started with a film SLR it was the best option to give me the ability to try out different techniques (LF might have been better in some cases but it's still rather expensive).
Today mirrorless cameras open up techniques I can't explore with my DSLRs. I explore the challenge of getting images from all sorts of lenses - many of which could only do macro on a DSLR - I shoot wavelengths invisible to the eye, which become visible to my converted mirrorless cameras.

Point & shoot cameras generally have no interest to me, I have one for underwater use but otherwise leave them to the rest of the family (who shoot with phones). Unless on a truely giant digital sensor 200mp would out resolve any of my lenses, so that's unlikely to be an aim in any of my searches - a 5"x4" digital back might be nice & 200mp would be acceptable for that but keeping a house & eating are more important to the family. In reality 24mp has proved adequate for me.

Tech has not replaced technique, it does sometimes help it out but there's no need to use AF etc. Challenges abound whatever camera system you have. I doubt many more DSLRs will be released, but hopefully the existing ones will keep working for the rest of our lifetimes. I wouldn't want to play with any of my digital cameras that are more than 20 years old (I probably have 1 or 2 of them stuffed in a box/cupboard somewhere) but do still use one released in 2006 - I hope they do live long, but wouldn't want to limit myself to the things they do well.

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