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Feb 25, 2021 15:56:12   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
Nickaroo wrote:
Yeah, after posting that I thought about going back and editing my reply. I say this because if I look at how many shots that I take, and I just did this for 2 months worth of shooting, I have probably 1 out of 45 that I have edited and put in my edited photo folder for that month. One folder only has 11 files in it and this month I would say that, even though I have shot more, I'm on track for a much lower keeper count, like 1-2. Now, I do backups of my cards, 3, and I even save my cards without clearing them. That may seem strange but I will not sit there and go through 1,000 shots to find "The One" that I need to show someone. I know where everything is at. And Paul, you are right, people are stupid. I have probably kicked keepers out at one time or another just due to the fact that I happen to be a Minimalist. I'm okay with that because I will be damned if I become one of those people that bombard someone with a personal or Commercial Website to show people the work that they have done, and the person looks at the Portfolio and by the time they get home their head is spinning like they just got done playing one of our frats. drinking parties that we did every weekend at U of M.. I don't know if this is a good rule to go by, but I believe that you have one collection on your Website, let's call it Flowers, I would put and do put 10 pics at the most in it. Because I feel that you put your starters out and make a good but hard drive down the Fairway and then show them how well you hit that 2nd. shot, then your sand shot or chip shot, and maybe you didn't quite connect in your terms so you have to whip out that 150 yard 7-iron, then throw a couple of good putts and your done. You have now made it easier on everyones eyes by not sifting through garbage. I have found that in most instances that it is better to hold back a little and if you feel like it later on, then by all means, go back to that Flowers Collection and yank 1-2 out and maybe put a sub in. If you can't get your quality across with 9-11 shots in any Genre, then what makes you think that 30 of them will help. A person that cannot cull and sift to pick, is A) Stupid, B) Can't make up their minds, C) They just don't possess good judgement or have no faith in what they are doing. The Classiest Restaurants, I think we still have those, don't have a Weekend Menu that is more than 2 sides. I'am so Thankful Paul that you said what I have always believed, and YES There Are A Lot Of Stupids Out There.
Yeah, after posting that I thought about going bac... (show quote)


Never clearing your cards and keeping them seems pretty incongruous with calling yourself a minimalist.

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Feb 25, 2021 16:20:11   #
bwana Loc: Bergen, Alberta, Canada
 
Urnst wrote:
My first camera, a Nikkormat FTN with a 50mm F2 lens, cost $250 at Porter's Camera store in Cedar Falls, Iowa. In today's money, that's at least $600 in today's money. Every time the shutter clicked money was spent to have the film developed and prints made. The alternative was to buy darkroom equipment and chemicals and find a place to set it up.

Now a decent digital camera and lens can be had for less than $500 used and anyone with a computer can enjoy the images it makes. No darkroom is necessary. We are living in good times.
My first camera, a Nikkormat FTN with a 50mm F2 le... (show quote)

You are correct, we are living in good times!

I took my first astrophotographs with a Brownie 620 and waited two weeks for the return mail to see what I'd captured. Now I see the results instantly!

bwa

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Feb 25, 2021 16:45:30   #
Urnst Loc: Brownsville, Texas
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
I argue the opposite, not to be disagreeable with you, but to state the following observations:

1) Digital photography is not a sport. And yet, we encounter 'old film shooters' who think they should play photography like golf trying for some sort of lowest score when shooting with their digital camera. The only score that counts is the final result, where in digital photography you should take as many frames as needed to assure you have the one (or more) 'best in show'.

2) Exposure technique is different in digital photography. You expose for the highlights and never seek to underexpose in any digital situation.

3) You process your results and give up on the notion of Straight out of Camera (SOOC) perfection. You can get good enough results SOOC, but all digital images improve with even a modest amount of computer processing.

The three distinguishing items above are learned, developed and perfected via digital photography, not film-based photography.
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Photography is in some ways like a sport. You set a goal for yourself and work to archive it. Like getting the image of a certain bird in flight or a particular athletic performance. And exposing for the highlights in digital is like exposing slide or positive film. This skill transfers directly from film to digital.

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Feb 25, 2021 19:08:40   #
biersteiner
 
For myself, I miss the darkroom process. In my opinion the digital age has taken the art out of photography. We can take any lousy image and using a computer it can be enhanced and manipulated to no end. Gone are days of checking light readings, f/stop settings, composing before shooting, checking for depth of field, etc. etc etc

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Feb 25, 2021 19:23:30   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
biersteiner wrote:
For myself, I miss the darkroom process. In my opinion the digital age has taken the art out of photography. We can take any lousy image and using a computer it can be enhanced and manipulated to no end. Gone are days of checking light readings, f/stop settings, composing before shooting, checking for depth of field, etc. etc etc


And you think photographers didn't enhance and manipulate their images in the darkroom? Digital photographers also check light readings, f/stop settings, composing before shooting, checking for depth of field, etc., and not all film photographers did so. There were plenty of film photographers who used point and shoot cameras to shoot artless snapshots.

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Feb 25, 2021 20:26:37   #
ronpier Loc: Poland Ohio
 
Urnst wrote:
My first camera, a Nikkormat FTN with a 50mm F2 lens, cost $250 at Porter's Camera store in Cedar Falls, Iowa. In today's money, that's at least $600 in today's money. Every time the shutter clicked money was spent to have the film developed and prints made. The alternative was to buy darkroom equipment and chemicals and find a place to set it up.

Now a decent digital camera and lens can be had for less than $500 used and anyone with a computer can enjoy the images it makes. No darkroom is necessary. We are living in good times.
My first camera, a Nikkormat FTN with a 50mm F2 le... (show quote)


Went digital for those reasons in 2005 and never looked back. Not one shot taken of film since then.

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Feb 25, 2021 23:12:40   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
biersteiner wrote:
For myself, I miss the darkroom process. In my opinion the digital age has taken the art out of photography. We can take any lousy image and using a computer it can be enhanced and manipulated to no end. Gone are days of checking light readings, f/stop settings, composing before shooting, checking for depth of field, etc. etc etc


It took a while for me to go digital because I enjoyed the craft of darkroom work but I’m all in on digital now and still find all those things you list about shooting film are no less true for digital. Yes digital processing opens new options but it’s still no substitution for taking a good photo.

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Feb 25, 2021 23:31:40   #
Nickaroo
 
ronpier wrote:
Went digital for those reasons in 2005 and never looked back. Not one shot taken of film since then.


I cannot say that due to the different Genre's of photography that I do, I will do a shoot on film and pick a certain shot to put on a different medium as I try to relate my inner self to every Photograph that I produce. I will never constrain myself to saying, "When I Went Digital and I Never Looked Back?" I respect Art not snapshots. Anyone can click a shutter, but can they delve so deep as to say that they created a story? Just my 2-Cents. Sorry for any misspelling,

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Feb 25, 2021 23:36:16   #
Nickaroo
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
Never clearing your cards and keeping them seems pretty incongruous with calling yourself a minimalist.


Yes, I know that I stated an oxymoron, but give me credit for stating what I do with my images. I just consider it to be another way to store images or files.

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Feb 25, 2021 23:46:29   #
sscnxy
 
Certainly one can enjoy great digital photography at very modest cost nowadays. You don't need a lot of GAS. Shooting superb, yet inexpensive, vintage lens with a modern camera's focus aids is a heck of a lot of fun.

NY

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Feb 26, 2021 14:51:42   #
ronpier Loc: Poland Ohio
 
Nickaroo wrote:
I cannot say that due to the different Genre's of photography that I do, I will do a shoot on film and pick a certain shot to put on a different medium as I try to relate my inner self to every Photograph that I produce. I will never constrain myself to saying, "When I Went Digital and I Never Looked Back?" I respect Art not snapshots. Anyone can click a shutter, but can they delve so deep as to say that they created a story? Just my 2-Cents. Sorry for any misspelling,


Art or snapshots. Call it what you want. When you realize later that your images are not acceptable but it’s at a later point in time and cannot be reshot this is a PITA. Shot film for 25 years. Many good images, many not so good. Much more expensive and could not be the “artist” at the time of the shoot not knowing the end result. Call it what you want. I’m not looking back.

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Feb 26, 2021 15:18:13   #
Nickaroo
 
ronpier wrote:
Art or snapshots. Call it what you want. When you realize later that your images are not acceptable but it’s at a later point in time and cannot be reshot this is a PITA. Shot film for 25 years. Many good images, many not so good. Much more expensive and could not be the “artist” at the time of the shoot not knowing the end result. Call it what you want. I’m not looking back.


I have looked back many times, like the fun Summers that I spent with Family back in Queens New York. Everyone looks back at times. Now, I do know that when my Parents and My Wife's escaped the Savage Beast of what is called "The Holocaust", they got on the ship to America and did not look back. But, as we were growing up as kids, I remember hearing them as They Looked Back and explained to us why they raised us or were raising us to become Good Adults and to never take life for granted, so yes you do look back whether you want to admit that or not. I believe, and I used to type it in French to our neighbors as they were French, don't look back because I will be right there pulling my little stunts. In Photography or any type of Career that I did/had, I still look back today at it and wonder would I have done this if I had to buy the tools back then as I do now? Answer that one and it's a great day. And as CHG Canon always says, then came Mirrorless.

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Feb 26, 2021 21:05:13   #
ronpier Loc: Poland Ohio
 
Nickaroo wrote:
I have looked back many times, like the fun Summers that I spent with Family back in Queens New York. Everyone looks back at times. Now, I do know that when my Parents and My Wife's escaped the Savage Beast of what is called "The Holocaust", they got on the ship to America and did not look back. But, as we were growing up as kids, I remember hearing them as They Looked Back and explained to us why they raised us or were raising us to become Good Adults and to never take life for granted, so yes you do look back whether you want to admit that or not. I believe, and I used to type it in French to our neighbors as they were French, don't look back because I will be right there pulling my little stunts. In Photography or any type of Career that I did/had, I still look back today at it and wonder would I have done this if I had to buy the tools back then as I do now? Answer that one and it's a great day. And as CHG Canon always says, then came Mirrorless.
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I enjoy shooting the old DSLRS. My way of looking back at images old and new and the challenge of producing them with state-of-the-art cameras from 10-15 years ago and lenses 10-40 years ago.

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