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Feb 22, 2021 08:03:21   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
That would be my preference.

I also shoot large format and determine the exposure, processing times, and procedures. With digital, 99% of the time, it's manual mode and spot metering.

I also develop (a computer term) the processes I use in Ps. I guess I gravitate towards being a photographer, as opposed to a camera operator. Just sayin'.
--Bob
Ron 717 wrote:
You must still drive a stick shift car, do not want the car decide when it needs to shift. Just sayin.

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Feb 22, 2021 08:11:43   #
Jimmy T Loc: Quicksburg, Virginia
 
kymarto wrote:
Absolutely not. AI refers to the processing algorithms used achieve the results that you can control. All those fancy step names are just Topaz marketing, but the program itself achieves top quality sharpening, head and shoulders above anything else on the market.



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Feb 22, 2021 08:18:30   #
Canisdirus
 
Longshadow wrote:
How so?


Just because you are moving a slider ... it's the computer doing the processing.
It's all AI.
Besides... I use Topaz...Lightroom...Photoshop.
They all can make auto correction...and they all can do manual.
If you auto white balance...that's AI...technically.

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Feb 22, 2021 08:19:38   #
tcthome Loc: Keansburg , NJ
 
It is a foreign language to me.

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Feb 22, 2021 08:19:38   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Care to elaborate on that statement?
--Bob
Canisdirus wrote:
All digital post processing is AI.

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Feb 22, 2021 08:21:17   #
tcthome Loc: Keansburg , NJ
 
Longshadow wrote:
Reminds me of Jose Jimenez, The Astronaut (Bill Dana) -
Jose goes through listing all these complicated processes preparing the spacecraft for take-off,
interviewer says "And then you're really up there!",
Jose says "No, that opens the door, ....".



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Feb 22, 2021 08:42:10   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA
 
Canisdirus wrote:
Just because you are moving a slider ... it's the computer doing the processing.
It's all AI.
Besides... I use Topaz...Lightroom...Photoshop.
They all can make auto correction...and they all can do manual.
If you auto white balance...that's AI...technically.


I thought AI was the computer doing it FOR you. ie. auto correction.
But if I'm moving the sliders....
Unless my intelligence is artificial.
(Could be)

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Feb 22, 2021 08:42:33   #
tcthome Loc: Keansburg , NJ
 
Canisdirus wrote:
All digital post processing is AI.


In a sense. Even if one is doing it manually in PS moving selected sliders , brushes, etc. , the program is computing some type of algorithm. But the photographer or person doing the editing decides which ones & how much of where as some thing like Topaz AI or Luminar do more or all of the decision making for one.

I have to say there have been a couple of photos that LR6 did a better job at removing noise & sharpening. If I could remember which photos I would post samples, but... for the most part, Topaz does a better at it than I could, & much faster. I would like to learn how to do it in AP.

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Feb 22, 2021 09:57:29   #
Canisdirus
 
tcthome wrote:
In a sense. Even if one is doing it manually in PS moving selected sliders , brushes, etc. , the program is computing some type of algorithm. But the photographer or person doing the editing decides which ones & how much of where as some thing like Topaz AI or Luminar do more or all of the decision making for one.

I have to say there have been a couple of photos that LR6 did a better job at removing noise & sharpening. If I could remember which photos I would post samples, but... for the most part, Topaz does a better at it than I could, & much faster. I would like to learn how to do it in AP.
In a sense. Even if one is doing it manually in PS... (show quote)


Yup.
Anyone using a digital camera has already bought into AI.
No matter how sophisticated the software behind it all...some humans wrote the algorithms.
Topaz and Luminar give you the 'option' of doing it all auto.
But what is auto? It's simply algorithms set up by someone to find an optimal image.
I use it sometimes, and it can be a great time saver...a starting point.
If I spent the time to get close to where the AI is in a second after hitting the key...I'd lose quite a bit of time.
I look at what the program (written by a human) has done...then make some adjustments to my personal taste.

If you are processing just a few images...do it the long way...

It's like a stenographer in court. Lots of information distilled down very quickly...but still what was said.

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Feb 22, 2021 10:09:43   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
"Anyone using a digital camera has already bought into AI."

I disagree with most of that statement but I can see your mind is on a non-deviating track and discussion is beyond useful at this point. As I alluded to earlier, I'd rather be a photographer than a camera operator.
--Bob
Canisdirus wrote:
Yup.
Anyone using a digital camera has already bought into AI.
No matter how sophisticated the software behind it all...some humans wrote the algorithms.
Topaz and Luminar give you the 'option' of doing it all auto.
But what is auto? It's simply algorithms set up by someone to find an optimal image.
I use it sometimes, and it can be a great time saver...a starting point.
If I spent the time to get close to where the AI is in a second after hitting the key...I'd lose quite a bit of time.
I look at what the program (written by a human) has done...then make some adjustments to my personal taste.

If you are processing just a few images...do it the long way...

It's like a stenographer in court. Lots of information distilled down very quickly...but still what was said.
Yup. br Anyone using a digital camera has already ... (show quote)

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Feb 22, 2021 10:27:07   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA
 
rmalarz wrote:
"Anyone using a digital camera has already bought into AI."

I disagree with most of that statement but I can see your mind is on a non-deviating track and discussion is beyond useful at this point. As I alluded to earlier, I'd rather be a photographer than a camera operator.
--Bob


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Feb 22, 2021 10:32:36   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Way too close to New York City
 
Canisdirus wrote:
All digital post processing is AI.


I disagree.

Yes, the computer is doing some of the work when you move the slider. The algorithms it uses may or may not be complex. But I'm deciding how far to move the slider and which sliders to move. My feedback is the image itself.

AI to me means that the computer is looking at the whole image and making decisions as to where to move the sliders. That is NOT the way ALL digital post processing is done.

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Feb 22, 2021 10:44:35   #
Canisdirus
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
I disagree.

Yes, the computer is doing some of the work when you move the slider. The algorithms it uses may or may not be complex. But I'm deciding how far to move the slider and which sliders to move. My feedback is the image itself.

AI to me means that the computer is looking at the whole image and making decisions as to where to move the sliders. That is NOT the way ALL digital post processing is done.


All of the programs mentioned let you do it manually.
They just give you one more option.
Usually, the results are very close to perfect...and why wouldn't they be?
It's a quick way to get to an optimal image if you want a realistic image that is.
If you want to go 'artistic'...then no.
But it can save you a lot of time.

I have done it both ways to the same images...and many times I end up manually where the 'AI' program ends up in a few seconds.
Sometimes not...but it still gets me a lot closer in less time without it.

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Feb 22, 2021 11:15:17   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA
 
Moving the sliders is not AI.
Yes, there is a predefined algorithm used when moving the sliders to alter the image, but the program is not thinking for you like AI does (is supposed to). It is not analyzing the image, but simply applying your selection to the entire image.

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Feb 22, 2021 11:18:42   #
C. Loren Loc: MN
 
I bought the entire topaz package and they have been very successful at preventing me from using it due to their extensive security system. I have tried to call them and cannot find a phone number. It appears the only way to communicate with anyone Is over the Internet and then after paying it seems all the communication is one way! Does anyone have a suggestion as to how to get in touch with a real person to resolve this?

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