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Feb 19, 2021 12:58:12   #
Canisdirus
 
bwana wrote:
For that kind of $$$'s you could buy a Sony A7 III, FE 200-600 and 1.4x TC and have money left over to chase that wildlife! I can't image the Olympus 150-400 is really worth $7,500!?

bwa


Or buy the A9II and sony 200-600mm ...and absolutely smoke any Oly system.
Heck, you could get a brand new Canon R5 and their 800mm f/11 (equivalent to the Oly in aperture) and again...smoke any Oly camera body.

Statistics are malleable and to the uninitiated...totally believable.
Oly says 300% more orders than lenses.
Yeah, they built a couple of hundred of them...and can then make that statement.

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Feb 19, 2021 13:13:50   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
billnikon wrote:
Supply and Demand. If the Demand is High and the Supply is low, that is the ideal point of sales position. Good luck.


Looks like I will have two years to save and decide. Otherwise it will be luck of the draw.

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Feb 19, 2021 14:03:31   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
Canisdirus wrote:
Or buy the A9II and sony 200-600mm ...and absolutely smoke any Oly system.
Heck, you could get a brand new Canon R5 and their 800mm f/11 (equivalent to the Oly in aperture) and again...smoke any Oly camera body.

Statistics are malleable and to the uninitiated...totally believable.
Oly says 300% more orders than lenses.
Yeah, they built a couple of hundred of them...and can then make that statement.


Do you have a Sony 300-800 f4.5 lens, with a X1.25 internal teleconverter, 12.5" long, just under 4" in diameter, 4 pounds, able to shoot handheld at 750-2000 with a X2 teleconverter attached for $7500? Let me know when you do. Maybe in the two years that I will have to wait Sony will bring one out. I wonder if it will be similar to the 35 pound Signa 200-500 f2.8 except for weight - and size and cost.

No matter if the company is Sony, Canon, Nikon, Fuji, Olympus, or Panasonic, when one of them makes a new anything, they do many surveys to estimate the needs / wants of the product. It does them no good to make 1000 widgets, sell only 100, and have the profitability start at 700 widgets. If there were only 100 Olympus lenses made, that is a extremely gross underestimate of 300 lenses in a "declining" market. People want an easily handheld lens than can shoot at 1000 to 2000 angle of view. And I can assure you that all the other manufacturers have taken note of this. Already because of Panasonic and Olympus, the lens sizes, weights, and coverage have changed. Coverage is no longer the only main consideration. Size and weight have to come down and will continue to do so for all formats.

And as far as I am concerned, Olympus absolutely smokes the competition at 2000mm handheld at f11 1/250 second and ISO 3200.

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Feb 19, 2021 14:36:15   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
wdross wrote:
Do you have a Sony 300-800 f4.5 lens, with a X1.25 internal teleconverter, 12.5" long, just under 4" in diameter, 4 pounds, able to shoot handheld at 750-2000 with a X2 teleconverter attached for $7500? Let me know when you do. Maybe in the two years that I will have to wait Sony will bring one out. I wonder if it will be similar to the 35 pound Signa 200-500 f2.8 except for weight - and size and cost.

No matter if the company is Sony, Canon, Nikon, Fuji, Olympus, or Panasonic, when one of them makes a new anything, they do many surveys to estimate the needs / wants of the product. It does them no good to make 1000 widgets, sell only 100, and have the profitability start at 700 widgets. If there were only 100 Olympus lenses made, that is a extremely gross underestimate of 300 lenses in a "declining" market. People want an easily handheld lens than can shoot at 1000 to 2000 angle of view. And I can assure you that all the other manufacturers have taken note of this. Already because of Panasonic and Olympus, the lens sizes, weights, and coverage have changed. Coverage is no longer the only main consideration. Size and weight have to come down and will continue to do so for all formats.

And as far as I am concerned, Olympus absolutely smokes the competition at 2000mm handheld at f11 1/250 second and ISO 3200.
Do you have a Sony 300-800 f4.5 lens, with a X1.25... (show quote)


Shooting at 2000mm - lots of atmospheric impediments ! - ISO 3200 on M4/3 ?? ?
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Feb 19, 2021 14:50:58   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
wdross wrote:
Do you have a Sony 300-800 f4.5 lens, with a X1.25 internal teleconverter, 12.5" long, just under 4" in diameter, 4 pounds, able to shoot handheld at 750-2000 with a X2 teleconverter attached for $7500? Let me know when you do. Maybe in the two years that I will have to wait Sony will bring one out. I wonder if it will be similar to the 35 pound Signa 200-500 f2.8 except for weight - and size and cost.

No matter if the company is Sony, Canon, Nikon, Fuji, Olympus, or Panasonic, when one of them makes a new anything, they do many surveys to estimate the needs / wants of the product. It does them no good to make 1000 widgets, sell only 100, and have the profitability start at 700 widgets. If there were only 100 Olympus lenses made, that is a extremely gross underestimate of 300 lenses in a "declining" market. People want an easily handheld lens than can shoot at 1000 to 2000 angle of view. And I can assure you that all the other manufacturers have taken note of this. Already because of Panasonic and Olympus, the lens sizes, weights, and coverage have changed. Coverage is no longer the only main consideration. Size and weight have to come down and will continue to do so for all formats.

And as far as I am concerned, Olympus absolutely smokes the competition at 2000mm handheld at f11 1/250 second and ISO 3200.
Do you have a Sony 300-800 f4.5 lens, with a X1.25... (show quote)


After you get one - and the honeymoon is over - give us a report along with images ! BIG images ....
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Feb 19, 2021 16:43:12   #
hrblaine
 
Why would anyone buy that lens when there are perfectly good 70-300s available at a fraction of the price? Harry

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Feb 19, 2021 16:44:53   #
moonhawk Loc: Land of Enchantment
 
hrblaine wrote:
Why would anyone buy that lens when there are perfectly good 70-300s available at a fraction of the price? Harry


Because they're 70-300 lenses.

Or did I miss the sarcasm? lol

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Feb 19, 2021 16:48:11   #
hrblaine
 
>And as far as I am concerned, Olympus absolutely smokes the competition at 2000mm handheld at f11 1/250 >second and ISO 3200.

Yeah, I've been dyeing like for-never to try that combo. ROFLMFAO

Harry

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Feb 19, 2021 16:59:08   #
DaveyDitzer Loc: Western PA
 
wdross wrote:
But the Olympus angle of view is 300-800 f4.5 and 375-1000 f5.6 (with the 1.25X internal teleconverter on) in 35mm terms. It then becomes 420-1120 f6.5 and 525-1400 f8 (with internal teleconverter on) and the external X1.4 teleconverter. With the X2 external teleconverter, the lens becomes 600-1600 f9 and 750-2000 f11 (with internal teleconverter on). All of this is is handholdable. How many handholdable full frame zoom lenses are there that are capable of covering 300mm to 2000mm, at under 12.5" in length (under 14" with teleconverter) and 4 pounds, for $7500? And all the above at 1 pound less, no tripod needed, for only $2100 more than the most expensive closest system to that zoom range. Don't get me wrong; I would love to have a Sony full frame system to complement my Olympus system. I just do not have enough money to match my Olympus system in coverage. Just trying to match my 300 f4 lens to the Canon and Nikon 600 f4 would cost me either $9500 or $12K. And it still would not travel like my Olympus system. My ideal Olympus system would be 14mm to 2000mm in angle of view, flashes, batteries, filters, viewsight EE-1, and other accessories, packed in about a 8x15x20 backpack, and under 20 pounds total. I know of no other system that can do that. This is why the serious consideration for such a lens for my retirement and travels.
But the Olympus angle of view is 300-800 f4.5 and ... (show quote)

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Feb 19, 2021 17:00:17   #
DaveyDitzer Loc: Western PA
 
Even lighter would be the Nikon D500 plus the Nikon 500 PF (about 3#) and cost about $5K or so.

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Feb 19, 2021 17:00:20   #
John Hicks Loc: Sible Hedinham North Essex England
 
Seems a long while to wait for a lens, I would not pay up front, you never know Olympus might not be here next year.

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Feb 19, 2021 17:05:38   #
moonhawk Loc: Land of Enchantment
 
The thread crappers are busy today, I see.

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Feb 19, 2021 17:26:10   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
DaveyDitzer wrote:
Even lighter would be the Nikon D500 plus the Nikon 500 PF (about 3#) and cost about $5K or so.



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Feb 19, 2021 18:09:22   #
Canisdirus
 
wdross wrote:
Do you have a Sony 300-800 f4.5 lens, with a X1.25 internal teleconverter, 12.5" long, just under 4" in diameter, 4 pounds, able to shoot handheld at 750-2000 with a X2 teleconverter attached for $7500? Let me know when you do. Maybe in the two years that I will have to wait Sony will bring one out. I wonder if it will be similar to the 35 pound Signa 200-500 f2.8 except for weight - and size and cost.

No matter if the company is Sony, Canon, Nikon, Fuji, Olympus, or Panasonic, when one of them makes a new anything, they do many surveys to estimate the needs / wants of the product. It does them no good to make 1000 widgets, sell only 100, and have the profitability start at 700 widgets. If there were only 100 Olympus lenses made, that is a extremely gross underestimate of 300 lenses in a "declining" market. People want an easily handheld lens than can shoot at 1000 to 2000 angle of view. And I can assure you that all the other manufacturers have taken note of this. Already because of Panasonic and Olympus, the lens sizes, weights, and coverage have changed. Coverage is no longer the only main consideration. Size and weight have to come down and will continue to do so for all formats.

And as far as I am concerned, Olympus absolutely smokes the competition at 2000mm handheld at f11 1/250 second and ISO 3200.
Do you have a Sony 300-800 f4.5 lens, with a X1.25... (show quote)


2000mm ...lol. Yeah, big demand for that.
Buy a telescope. For $7500, you can buy a doosey! f/8 too!!! lol.
Buy a new system before you buy this boondoggle.



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Feb 19, 2021 18:18:15   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
Bill_de wrote:
That works until folks get tired of waiting and switch brands.

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Actually, until then, one can can shoot with the 300 f4 along with using the X1.4 and X2 teleconverters. Although fix focal lengths instead of a zoom, this offers 420 f5.6 and 600 f8 (600 f4, 840 f5.6, and 1200 f8 in 35mm angle of view terms). Not quite as easy as the super sharp super zoom in use, but very sharp images for their focal lengths.

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