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Feb 19, 2021 11:36:20   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
leftj wrote:
Sensor cleaning is a piece of cake. I don't know why anyone would pay someone $100+ to clean their sensor.


Fear.

Some people are not comfortable handling a piece of equipment that costs a few hundred dollars and they have no experience with trying to clean it themselves.

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Feb 19, 2021 11:42:57   #
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analogman wrote:
I see no mention concerning antique/vintage cameras. Granted that is a small cross section of photography but there are those of use who collect them. I would be greatful to find someone to teach me more about fixing the older cameras. Many of the people who have been doing this are falling by the wayside so soon there may not be any way to reclaim some of the classics.

Sad, but man up. OK for a man to cry. Can’t stop time. Isn’t there much more about the world that you also mourn for its irreversible passing ? Perspective.

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Feb 19, 2021 11:43:20   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Your two main problems would be parts and details about repairing individual cameras. Camera companies aren't going to send you details schematics, and Nikon won't even sell you parts. You can buy "Parts Only" cameras from eBay, but that can get expensive. Stick with photography.

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Feb 19, 2021 11:52:15   #
rayfour Loc: Alabama
 
I repaired cameras from the early 80's to 2001. At that time it was a good business to be in. Around 2000 the price of parts became so expensive we could not afford to continue repairing cameras. A lot of our business was in the point and shoot type. The manufacturers quit furnishing individual parts and went to only selling sub- assemblies. A assembly shutter for a point and shoot was over $200. After you added labor costs you were well over half the cost of a new camera. Another point to consider is cost of tools. We had thousands of dollars in electronic equipment just to verify the camera was working correctly, not to mention cost of repair manuals. The only way I would repair a camera now would be older film cameras which did not need all the electronic test equipment. However you wold still need equipment to make sure the shutter speeds and exposure was correct.

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Feb 19, 2021 12:42:29   #
Grandpa Ron
 
The person you mentioned that has repaired cameras for 20 years has the tools, the knowledge of camera evolution, a feel for the market, a customer base, the patience to hunt for a unique problem.

As mentioned I would get to know or better yet assist him.

Cameras are becoming a a niche market rapidly giving way to electronic imaging. The lens was once the soul of the camera, the next generations will be looking to digital processing programs where the lens is of secondary importance.

If I were a professional photographer, whose photographic tools are my life line, my gear would go back to the factory for repairs.

Fortunately, there will always be old camera junkies. Folk still practice Pinhole, Daguerreotype, cut film, 35 mm and old video photography formats. However, those folks may not need many repairs but they will need supplies.

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Feb 19, 2021 12:46:17   #
bittermelon
 
Probably more profitable or easier to learn how to repair cell phones.

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Feb 19, 2021 12:47:17   #
Glenn Harve
 
fotoman150 wrote:
What’s your opinion? Is there money to be made in this? Or are people throwing cameras away and getting new ones when they malfunction?

I think I would enjoy repairing cameras and learning exactly how they work and everything about them. But I don’t wanna waste my money on a course only to find out no one pays to have cameras repaired.

Do most professional photographers replace their shutters? Or do they just buy another camera?


Take your own camera and lens fully apart and put them back together in proper working order. You will answer your question, and likely ask yourself what to buy next. New cameras and lenses are a new game, a game that takes support beyond basic repair skills. Each manufacturer is very specific, and parts support paradigms in the electronics realms have changed dramatically in the last decade. Unless you have massive previous experience, you are way out of your depth, unless you get a job at a factory service facility.

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Feb 19, 2021 12:47:41   #
fotoman150
 
Red6 wrote:
I used to farm and there was a joke then about a farmer who was asked what he would do if he won a million dollars. The farmer replied that he would probably just keep farming until it was all gone.

I see a camera repair business as being very similar. First, your competition, the big guys. Warranties are going to cover all the most expensive gear. Many people are not going to let a local, small guy touch their multiple thousand dollar cameras. Owners are going to want the camera company refurb and warranty their repairs.

Second parts - are you going to be able to get them? Like someone said, the only source of parts may be older or unserviceable cameras. Are photographers willing to spend hundreds of dollars to have used parts put into their expensive gear?

Third - Test equipment and tools - some of these cameras will require expensive tools and test equipment. Many of the cameras built in the last 10-15 years are basically computers that take photos. Will you be able to upgrade or handle the software side of this business?

Finally, can you make a living at it? Will you need to charge so much that people just cannot justify fixing the item. Many good business people wind up making less than $10-15 an hour after they pay their costs.

Like it or not cameras are fast becoming disposable commodities. Somewhere there is a price point that the broken camera is just disposable. There is a good reason there are no VCR, CD player, and toaster repair shops.
I used to farm and there was a joke then about a f... (show quote)


Yeah the last thing you said is what I’m concerned about

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Feb 19, 2021 12:51:16   #
fotoman150
 
rayfour wrote:
I repaired cameras from the early 80's to 2001. At that time it was a good business to be in. Around 2000 the price of parts became so expensive we could not afford to continue repairing cameras. A lot of our business was in the point and shoot type. The manufacturers quit furnishing individual parts and went to only selling sub- assemblies. A assembly shutter for a point and shoot was over $200. After you added labor costs you were well over half the cost of a new camera. Another point to consider is cost of tools. We had thousands of dollars in electronic equipment just to verify the camera was working correctly, not to mention cost of repair manuals. The only way I would repair a camera now would be older film cameras which did not need all the electronic test equipment. However you wold still need equipment to make sure the shutter speeds and exposure was correct.
I repaired cameras from the early 80's to 2001. A... (show quote)


Yours is the most helpful post so far

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Feb 19, 2021 13:00:13   #
fotoman150
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
Probably not a good business venture in today's technology and markets.

The old-time camera repair shop is becoming a thing of the past. The business potential has diminished along with the demise of the fully mechanical camera.

The old-timers knew how to disassemble, clean, lubricate, and repair a wide variety of cameras and lenses. Parts were made available to most shops. Many repair technicians could even make their own parts in-house and or had a fairly large accumulation of discarded cameras to use for parts.

Many amateurs and professional photographers kept their cameras for a very long time and had them professionally and regularly maintained and repaired as needed. Nowadays, there is too much built-in obsolescence and folks are always upgrading to more advanced and full-featured systems.

If you scan through the forum, you will find many posts about the major camera manufacturers maintaining exclusivity over parts and repairs. I somehow doubt if they will sell parts for current cameras and they may not even continue to make parts for older meodls.

It used to be that the repair technicians' skills were somewhat like those of a watchmaker- older mechanical shutters have a similar mechanism to analog watches. Believe me- that is a special talent that requires patience and dexterity with tiny workings. My grandfather was a watch and clockmaker and repairman- I admit that I missed out on that part of the gene pool- I'm better with heavy machinery!

There the is the electronics- it's an entirely different ballgame. A customer of mine works for a major camera company's repair depot. He intimated to me that most of the techs there are not traditional repair folks but "parts changers". It seems the components on the circuit boards are so small and oftentimes sealed in such a manner that individual components, chips and another semiconductor can not be traced, tested, un-soldered and replaced. They simply replace the entire board. When the board goes out of production, the camer becomes unrepairable. Someof the chips and microcircuits are unmarked and not available at electronics supply outlets.

Your investment- Some of this requires specialized proprietary tools, jigs, and test gear that is not widely available. You need access to the service manual and schematic diagrams that might not be released by the manufacturer. Even a full complement of regular precision tools, lubricants, and test gear, all require big bucks!

There is probably a niche market for the restoration and repair of vintage and older gear. Shops like Precision Camera Repair in New York City used to specialize in custom conversions and adaptation and were internationally known for top-quality service. I am not sure they are still in business.

In my own situation as a studio operator, I always send warranty repairs to the official manufacturer's source. If the gear is out of warranty- I just bite the bullet and pay the bill. Attached is a shot of my own "repair department". I try not to beat up the gear, tighten loose screws, clean and lubricate EXTERNAL functions only, keep the battery compartments and contacts clean and I do repair all my own flash gear- but I know how to do that!

I don't mean to discourage you. I used to see ads in the photo magazines for camera repair schools and courses. I don't see them anymore. If you are still interested in pursuing this, you should do the research as to where you can get the training or experience and who and is in the business and where, and what kind of money is to be made.

I hope this helps. Good luck!
Probably not a good business venture in today's te... (show quote)


Thanks

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Feb 19, 2021 13:26:22   #
rwags18 Loc: Oregon
 
saichiez wrote:
Most camera's that need repair show up as eBay items. I think this is how repair people find camera's to repair. Any time you look at a camera, look at listings showing (for parts or repair)


This is a great point! Maybe since the repair market may not warrant enough possible return, maybe take a look at refurbishing cameras. There might be a greater ROI possible in refurbishing versus repair.

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Feb 19, 2021 13:34:37   #
gouldopfl
 
The last time I sent in a camera to Canon for a cleaning they returned it fully refurbished. They even replaced the battery compartment door as one hinge was loose. I think that you need to consider what manufacturers do up and above the repair requested.

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Feb 19, 2021 13:46:37   #
limeybiker
 
I sold a Canon on EBay, the only bidder/purchaser was a repair centre in Georgia, they low balled me, but it was off my hands, but if you want to make an offer, I have a good Canon G5X with a stuck out lens.

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Feb 19, 2021 14:17:34   #
Chrishants Loc: England
 
fotoman150 wrote:
What’s your opinion? Is there money to be made in this? Or are people throwing cameras away and getting new ones when they malfunction?

I think I would enjoy repairing cameras and learning exactly how they work and everything about them. But I don’t wanna waste my money on a course only to find out no one pays to have cameras repaired.

Do most professional photographers replace their shutters? Or do they just buy another camera?


A modern camera seems a very complicated piece of equipment to me, and I wonder if you are confident that going on course would provide you with all the skills needed to carry out repairs on a commercial basis?

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Feb 19, 2021 14:19:56   #
shelty Loc: Medford, OR
 
I would say; don't try it unless you are especially trained. I used to repair cameras many years ago trained by Zeiss. There are too many hidden things that you don't know about. They are not making a bundle of money off of you. They just charge for their time and parts.

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