Second Covid Shot (Page 6): True and to the point that they are thinking of going to just one shot so they can get more vaccinated.

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LEWHITE7747 wrote:

Just read an article that the Pfizer vaccine is 85% effective after the first dose (after 2 weeks). Has anyone seen this study.

True and to the point that they are thinking of going to just one shot so they can get more vaccinated.

DebAnn Loc: Toronto

jerryc41 wrote:

I've been hearing a lot online and locally about p... (show quote)

In Toronto, my turn for shots hasn't yet materialized. However, in the newspaper today, two prominent doctors say that the first shot has proved to be 80% effective (Pfizer) so they're advising the province to use more of the vaccine doses for more people and put off the second dose till a later time.

David Martin Loc: Cary, NC

DebAnn wrote:

In Toronto, my turn for shots hasn't yet materialized. However, in the newspaper today, two prominent doctors say that the first shot has proved to be 80% effective (Pfizer) so they're advising the province to use more of the vaccine doses for more people and put off the second dose till a later time.

Again, if this figure is based on the Israeli study just published in Lancet (which found 85% efficacy), they only studied healthcare workers. Their 85% efficacy may not apply to the elderly, the significantly chronically ill, nor the very young. In medical research, it is not prudent to compare apples to oranges. See my last post above if you're interested.

tomad Loc: North Carolina

I had absolutely nothing after the first shot and only a very slightly sore arm after the second shot. My arm only felt sore at the injection site for a day and only when I lifted my arm up over my head. That was the Pfizer shots.

charles tabb Loc: Richmond VA.

jerryc41 wrote:

I've been hearing a lot online and locally about p... (show quote)

I did just that...
I had an appointment to get my shot.
I'm 81 and they were only shooting 75 & over.
My wife is 74 and 6 MO"s from 75.
The person told me to bring her because they seem to have extra shots.
I did just that and they shot us both.

Charles

neco Loc: Western Colorado Mountains

jerryc41 wrote:

I've been hearing a lot online and locally about p... (show quote)

Had my second shot nine days ago. #2 had more after effects: chills, tired body, sore arm. Took a couple Ibuprofen and a nap and felt fine. I don't know if the fix was the nap or the pills. My two weeks wait will be up next Wednesday.

LEWHITE7747 Loc: 33773

charles tabb wrote:

I did just that...
I had an appointment to get my shot.
I'm 81 and they were only shooting 75 & over.
My wife is 74 and 6 MO"s from 75.
The person told me to bring her because they seem to have extra shots.
I did just that and they shot us both.

Charles

So happy for both of you!

LEWHITE7747 Loc: 33773

David Martin wrote:

Again, if this figure is based on the Israeli study just published in Lancet (which found 85% efficacy), they only studied healthcare workers. Their 85% efficacy may not apply to the elderly, the significantly chronically ill, nor the very young. In medical research, it is not prudent to compare apples to oranges. See my last post above if you're interested.

What you have to understand as we are in the infancy of this vaccine research. It is known that we do not have the time for advanced studies. We only know what we know now. We have to move forward with the information we have. Everyone realizes that these are not detailed studies. In the past vaccines needed at least 4 years to develop and test. We are in the midst of a full blown pandemic. The plan to get the vaccine in the most arms as possible and approach herd immunity is the goal..It is a waste of time to quibble about the limited studies we have without the time frame of past vaccine research.

Ferris Loc: South Carolina

Concerning managing the side effects: As mentioned in these posts, side effects similar to a flu-like illness occur primarily with the second injection. Acetaminophen (Tylenol) should handle these fairly well, by at least reducing their severity. Acetaminophen is not immunosuppressive and is not anti-inflammatory and thus should not affect the desired immune response needed for the vaccine to work. Aspirin and non-steroidal anti-inflammatory agents may reduce the side effects, but I cannot find any statement concerning whether these agents may actually reduce the effectiveness of the vaccine, but theoretically because they work by reducing inflammation, they may be reducing the body's response to the vaccine to some degree. So, I would think, until somebody studies this specifically, I would avoid aspirin and NSAIDs like ibuprofen to manage those side effects.

LEWHITE7747 Loc: 33773

Ferris wrote:

Concerning managing the side effects: As mentioned... (show quote)

Very good info!

Bill_de Loc: US

David Martin wrote:

This is not exactly true. br br The data Pfizer p... (show quote)

I think somewhere along the way some non-medical folks wanted to get more people vaccinated so the numbers would look better. To that end they claimed the first dose was so good that the second dose could be postponed. Of course that wasn't really true and AFAIK we are giving the second doses on time.

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MadMikeOne Loc: So. NJ Shore - a bit west of Atlantic City

David Martin wrote:

Here's a link to the Israeli study for those inter... (show quote)

There is most definitely an awful lot that we don't know about this virus, its variants, and the vaccines. You are absolutely correct that we shouldn't generalize and that much more study must be done.

MadMikeOne Loc: So. NJ Shore - a bit west of Atlantic City

Bill_de wrote:

I think somewhere along the way some non-medical folks wanted to get more people vaccinated so the numbers would look better. To that end they claimed the first dose was so good that the second dose could be postponed. Of course that wasn't really true and AFAIK we are giving the second doses on time.

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My best friend (age 77) lives in the UK. She received her first dose of the Pfizer vaccine about 2 weeks ago, BUT as it stands right now, will not be receiving her second dose until 12 weeks post first dose. The government has decided to stretch the vaccine supply to vaccinate more people with the first dose. From my conversations with her, the government there is hoping that the supply of the vaccines will increase quickly enough to allow for some measure of administering the second doses "on time". I can tell you that I made absolutely certain that my husband and I received our second doses of the Moderna 28 days post-1st dose. It wasn't easy - took endless hours on the internet a setting up multiple portals on so many sites that we lost count.

David Martin Loc: Cary, NC

LEWHITE7747 wrote:

What you have to understand as we are in the infan... (show quote)

I'm well aware of vaccine development history, our current status and goal of herd immunity.
I am also aware of how dangerous it is to take limited research data, obtained from a small, non-representative subset of population, and generalize it to the population at large.
Therein lies the danger. And if there is possible danger, it is quite prudent to "quibble" about potentially bad decisions.
On what scientific basis do we assume that the very young, the elderly and those with severe chronic illness will develop the same level of immunity to a single shot that younger, healthy individuals may get?
If it turns out that they do not develop immunity, are they dispensable for the "greater good" of getting more shots into more arms?
It is best to follow sound science and not make such assumptions.

SweetPea

ELNikkor wrote:

My wife was sick after her first (Pfizer). When t... (show quote)

She should have showed them her vaccination card from her first shot!

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