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Feb 24, 2021 13:53:38   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
anotherview wrote:
Film photography has its contingent of diehards who gained their proficiency during the film era. They cannot let it go for digital photography.

Further, they insist on carrying their view forward by preaching it to youngsters. Their contrarian practice supposes that film-era photography offers something not found in digital photography -- usually boiled down as (1) that thrill of watching an image emerge in front of their eyes or (2) the restraint of taking more care in setting up a shot due to limited film roll exposures.

My advice to novices: One, learn digital photography first. Later, if you choose, learn film photography.

Two, skip the history of photography. Concentrate on learning the craft of photography. Later, if you choose, you can read all about the history of photography.
Film photography has its contingent of diehards wh... (show quote)


You are very right about the "film evangelists." I have met many.

Change is hard. When people are nervous, they tend to cling to what they know. But there are many economic reasons why schools do not teach digital photography first, and require film photography as a prerequisite. There is the investment in computers, software, infrastructure, training for the instructors... Even if a course requirement is to own a computer and software, the infrastructure and training pieces of it are significant.

The bigger art schools such as SCAD will teach it all.

I agree that history of photography is not an "up front" course. The vast majority of young people don't "grok" (obtain a deep understanding of and perspective for) history of any sort. I suffered through it all in high school and college, and revisited it in my 40s and 50s. It meant a LOT then. I had enough life experience to give it perspective and understand what could be gained from it.

We live in a very digital world. Young people LIVE on their phones, computers, the Internet, and social media. Good or bad, that's the way it is. When I showed my old Nikon FTn to my twins (20 at the time), they wanted to know where the ports were, and where the memory card went! I showed them some old film and how it went through the camera... They were aghast at how "stupid" that was. I pointed Trevor to the TIME-LIFE Library of Photography books in our basement. He scanned a few volumes and said he was glad to live in the 21st Century. Then he showed me an Instagram feed with more interesting images... Sadly, they were far better than the examples in the books.

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Feb 24, 2021 14:08:46   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
burkphoto wrote:
You are very right about the "film evangelists." I have met many.

Change is hard. When people are nervous, they tend to cling to what they know. But there are many economic reasons why schools do not teach digital photography first, and require film photography as a prerequisite. There is the investment in computers, software, infrastructure, training for the instructors... Even if a course requirement is to own a computer and software, the infrastructure and training pieces of it are significant.

The bigger art schools such as SCAD will teach it all.

I agree that history of photography is not an "up front" course. The vast majority of young people don't "grok" (obtain a deep understanding of and perspective for) history of any sort. I suffered through it all in high school and college, and revisited it in my 40s and 50s. It meant a LOT then. I had enough life experience to give it perspective and understand what could be gained from it.

We live in a very digital world. Young people LIVE on their phones, computers, the Internet, and social media. Good or bad, that's the way it is. When I showed my old Nikon FTn to my twins (20 at the time), they wanted to know where the ports were, and where the memory card went! I showed them some old film and how it went through the camera... They were aghast at how "stupid" that was. I pointed Trevor to the TIME-LIFE Library of Photography books in our basement. He scanned a few volumes and said he was glad to live in the 21st Century. Then he showed me an Instagram feed with more interesting images... Sadly, they were far better than the examples in the books.
You are very right about the "film evangelist... (show quote)


When I was young I took a college course on the history of photography and loved it. I was very inspired to see what the great photographers of the past had created. The progress of any art form depends on building on the past.

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Feb 24, 2021 21:07:41   #
rkaminer Loc: New York, NY
 
i learned to take pictures with film and loved the medium, but when digital arrived and became mainstream, film no longer interested me. I do have an interest in film cameras and have the bodies lined up on display. However to grow with the photography state of art, i think it is pointless to learn film as a way to improve digital photography. both methods capture an image but use completely different technology.

I can make a lot of analogies but one comes to mind that I think is appropriate: Learning digital by taking up film photography first, is like learning how to operate an Cruise Ship by learning how to sail a sailboat first; both float on water and get you to the other side. OK, make fun of my comparison, I deserve it. But my point is if you want to move the state of the art of photography, don't go backwards, except as a history lesson.

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Feb 24, 2021 21:30:04   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
If your photos are not good enough, stop shooting film.

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Feb 26, 2021 04:16:06   #
Pablo8 Loc: Nottingham UK.
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
If your photos are not good enough, stop shooting film.


Sounds like someone who NEVER shot film for a living.

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Mar 31, 2021 19:39:25   #
fhayes Loc: Madison, Tennessee
 
HAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
I think I qualify as a fossil!

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Mar 31, 2021 21:00:53   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Yes.
rkaminer wrote:
i learned to take pictures with film and loved the medium, but when digital arrived and became mainstream, film no longer interested me. I do have an interest in film cameras and have the bodies lined up on display. However to grow with the photography state of art, i think it is pointless to learn film as a way to improve digital photography. both methods capture an image but use completely different technology.

I can make a lot of analogies but one comes to mind that I think is appropriate: Learning digital by taking up film photography first, is like learning how to operate an Cruise Ship by learning how to sail a sailboat first; both float on water and get you to the other side. OK, make fun of my comparison, I deserve it. But my point is if you want to move the state of the art of photography, don't go backwards, except as a history lesson.
i learned to take pictures with film and loved the... (show quote)

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Apr 7, 2021 18:58:38   #
fhayes Loc: Madison, Tennessee
 
I shoot film! 35mm, 120mm and 4X5, I also have a full size darkroom in my garage.
Black and white photographs just feel and look better than digital to me, especially after the elbow grease has been generously applied!
Yes, I have a few digital cameras...

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Apr 7, 2021 19:34:50   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
fhayes wrote:
I shoot film! 35mm, 120mm and 4X5, I also have a full size darkroom in my garage.
Black and white photographs just feel and look better than digital to me, especially after the elbow grease has been generously applied!
Yes, I have a few digital cameras...


That's the only way I would go back to film, if I wanted to set up a B&W darkroom again. I agree that B&W silver darkroom prints have a quality digital prints just can't match. And scanning film you are always going to lose a little quality, besides the extra cost. Back in the day I tried color darkroom work, and I didn't like it. So now I only do color digital, as the control of the color is much superior than shooting color film.

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Apr 7, 2021 22:47:14   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 

—Bob
fhayes wrote:
I shoot film! 35mm, 120mm and 4X5, I also have a full size darkroom in my garage.
Black and white photographs just feel and look better than digital to me, especially after the elbow grease has been generously applied!
Yes, I have a few digital cameras...

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Apr 11, 2021 22:37:20   #
Tim Stapp Loc: Mid Mitten
 
What format? I shoot (besides digital) 135, 120 (6x7) and 4x5. I (used to have, and will again soon) have a complete darkroom set up, complete with JOBO film processor.

So: Yes, I still shoot film for my own enjoyment. Anything "for hire' I shoot digital. I did however, have one bride that requested that I shoot at least one formal on 4x5 film. That was fun getting past the security at the county courthouse for her shotgun wedding.

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Jul 14, 2021 17:16:12   #
OzWizard
 
My Nikon F5, is loaded and ready. I shoot film regularly. I have mine developed and put on a flash drive. So I can mix film and current software processing together.

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Jul 14, 2021 18:37:26   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
OzWizard wrote:
My Nikon F5, is loaded and ready. I shoot film regularly. I have mine developed and put on a flash drive. So I can mix film and current software processing together.


You might consider subscribing to the Film Photography section at: https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/s-136-1.html

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Jul 14, 2021 19:06:54   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 

--Bob
CHG_CANON wrote:
You might consider subscribing to the Film Photography section at: https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/s-136-1.html

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Jul 14, 2021 20:14:31   #
Beenthere
 
...and I am returning to vinyl recordings, clicks, pops, surface noise et all. Plus I'm gonna buy a $4,000 machine to clean them, not to mention a $15,000 turntable to play them on. Incidentally, I've also been asked to find another place to live. No one understands how far I will go to preserve ancient technology. Anyone got some extra space.., I can bring my enlarger? :-)

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