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Oct 5, 2012 19:09:54   #
Richard94611 Loc: Oakland, CA
 
Just thought you would like to see information about Romney's five biggest lies during the first presidential debate:

Tim Dickinson
October 4, 2012 9:32 AM ET
Mitt Romney turned in a polished performance in last night's presidential debate – and revealed himself to be an accomplished and unapologetic liar. In an evening where he sought to slice and dice the president with statistics, Romney baldly misrepresented his own policy prescriptions, made up numbers to fit his attacks and buried clear contrasts with the president under a heaping pile of horseshit.

Here are mendacious Mitt's five most outrageous statements:

1. "I don't have a $5 trillion tax cut." Romney flatly lied about the cost of his proposal to cut income-tax rates across the board by another 20 percent (undercutting even the low rates of the Bush tax cuts). Independent economists at the Tax Policy Center have shown that the price tag for those cuts is $360 billion in the first year, a cost that extrapolates to $5 trillion over a decade.

2. "I will not reduce the taxes paid by high-income Americans." Romney has claimed that he will pay for his tax cuts by closing a variety of loopholes and deductions. The factual problem? Romney hasn't named a single loophole he's willing to close; worse, there's no way to offset $5 trillion in tax cuts even if you get rid of the entire universe of deductions for the wealthy that Romney has not put off the table (like the carried interest loophole or the 15 percent capital gains rate.) The Tax Policy Center report concludes that Romney's proposal would create a "net tax cut for high-income tax payers and a net tax increase for lower- and or middle-income taxpayers." Moreover, some of Romney's tax cuts are micro-targeted at American dynasties, particularly his proposal to eliminate the estate tax, which would reduce his own sons' tax burden by tens of millions of dollars.

3. "We've got 23 million people out of work or [who have] stopped looking for work in this country." Romney is lying for effect. The nation's crisis of joblessness is bad, but not 23 million bad. The official figure is 12.5 million unemployed. An additional 2.6 million Americans have stopped looking for jobs. How does Romney gin up his eye-popping 23 million figure? He counts more than 8 million wage earners who hold part-time jobs as also being "out of work."

4. Obamacare "puts in place an unelected board that's going to tell people ultimately what kind of treatments they can have." Romney is reviving Sarah Palin's old death panels lie here. Obamacare does establish an Independent Payment Advisory Board to help constrain the growth of Medicare spending. The body has no authority to dictate the practices of the private insurance marketplace. And the law also makes explicit that this body is banned from rationing care or limiting medical benefits to seniors.

5. "Pre-existing conditions are covered under my plan." In the biggest whopper of the night, Romney suggested that his health care proposal would guarantee coverage to Americans with pre-existing conditions. This is just not true. Under Romney, if you have a pre-existing condition and have been unable to obtain insurance coverage or if you have had to drop coverage for more than 90 days because you lost your job or couldn't afford the premiums, you would be shit out of luck. Insurance companies could continue to discriminate and deny you coverage, as even Romney's top adviser conceded after the debate was over.



Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-first-debate-mitt-romneys-five-biggest-lies-20121004#ixzz28T8MM512

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Oct 5, 2012 19:16:30   #
BigBear Loc: Northern CT
 
I'll take whatever Romney has over the Obozo we have now.

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Oct 5, 2012 19:17:35   #
Richard94611 Loc: Oakland, CA
 
One cannot argue with a closed mind.

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Oct 5, 2012 19:21:05   #
Bangee5 Loc: Louisiana
 
Richard, it's either his lies or your lies. I take Romney over you and Obama.

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Oct 5, 2012 19:21:38   #
BigBear Loc: Northern CT
 
Richard94611 wrote:
One cannot argue with a closed mind.


I don't intend to argue with your closed mind.

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Oct 5, 2012 19:24:54   #
Richard94611 Loc: Oakland, CA
 
Then don't. I didn't ask you to enter the conversation.


BigBear wrote:
Richard94611 wrote:
One cannot argue with a closed mind.


I don't intend to argue with your closed mind.

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Oct 5, 2012 20:09:34   #
tlbuljac Loc: Oklahoma
 
oh damn...here we go again

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Oct 5, 2012 20:36:12   #
Black Bart Loc: Indiana
 
Well certainly not a unbiased source.

Tim Dickinson From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Tim Dickinson with Rolling Stone magazine at the Bay Area New Media Summit 2009.Tim Dickinson is a progressive American political correspondent and blog author. Based in San Francisco, California, he is best known for his opinion pieces with Rolling Stone. His article "Machinery of Hope" about U.S. president Barack Obama's 2008 political campaign was anthologized in The Best American Political Writing 2008 (Public Affairs).[1] His other work includes six years as an editor of Mother Jones magazine, and as a writer for Outside, Wired, and local San Francisco magazines. Dickinson is also a frequently invited commentator on CNN, MSNBC and NPR.

Nothing but more Liberal Bullshit

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Oct 5, 2012 20:36:16   #
Richard94611 Loc: Oakland, CA
 
BigBear wrote:
I'll take whatever Romney has over the Obozo we have now.


With the unemployment numbers going down, you may not have that opportunity.

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Oct 5, 2012 20:37:12   #
Richard94611 Loc: Oakland, CA
 
If a liberal told you a car coming down the road was going to hit you, would you move ?

Black Bart wrote:
Well certainly not a unbiased source.

Tim Dickinson From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Tim Dickinson with Rolling Stone magazine at the Bay Area New Media Summit 2009.Tim Dickinson is a progressive American political correspondent and blog author. Based in San Francisco, California, he is best known for his opinion pieces with Rolling Stone. His article "Machinery of Hope" about U.S. president Barack Obama's 2008 political campaign was anthologized in The Best American Political Writing 2008 (Public Affairs).[1] His other work includes six years as an editor of Mother Jones magazine, and as a writer for Outside, Wired, and local San Francisco magazines. Dickinson is also a frequently invited commentator on CNN, MSNBC and NPR.

Nothing but more Liberal Bullshit
Well certainly not a unbiased source. br br Tim D... (show quote)

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Oct 5, 2012 20:45:48   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
Richard94611 wrote:
Just thought you would like to see information about Romney's five biggest lies during the first presidential debate:

Tim Dickinson
October 4, 2012 9:32 AM ET
Mitt Romney turned in a polished performance in last night's presidential debate – and revealed himself to be an accomplished and unapologetic liar. In an evening where he sought to slice and dice the president with statistics, Romney baldly misrepresented his own policy prescriptions, made up numbers to fit his attacks and buried clear contrasts with the president under a heaping pile of horseshit.

Here are mendacious Mitt's five most outrageous statements:

1. "I don't have a $5 trillion tax cut." Romney flatly lied about the cost of his proposal to cut income-tax rates across the board by another 20 percent (undercutting even the low rates of the Bush tax cuts). Independent economists at the Tax Policy Center have shown that the price tag for those cuts is $360 billion in the first year, a cost that extrapolates to $5 trillion over a decade.

2. "I will not reduce the taxes paid by high-income Americans." Romney has claimed that he will pay for his tax cuts by closing a variety of loopholes and deductions. The factual problem? Romney hasn't named a single loophole he's willing to close; worse, there's no way to offset $5 trillion in tax cuts even if you get rid of the entire universe of deductions for the wealthy that Romney has not put off the table (like the carried interest loophole or the 15 percent capital gains rate.) The Tax Policy Center report concludes that Romney's proposal would create a "net tax cut for high-income tax payers and a net tax increase for lower- and or middle-income taxpayers." Moreover, some of Romney's tax cuts are micro-targeted at American dynasties, particularly his proposal to eliminate the estate tax, which would reduce his own sons' tax burden by tens of millions of dollars.

3. "We've got 23 million people out of work or [who have] stopped looking for work in this country." Romney is lying for effect. The nation's crisis of joblessness is bad, but not 23 million bad. The official figure is 12.5 million unemployed. An additional 2.6 million Americans have stopped looking for jobs. How does Romney gin up his eye-popping 23 million figure? He counts more than 8 million wage earners who hold part-time jobs as also being "out of work."

4. Obamacare "puts in place an unelected board that's going to tell people ultimately what kind of treatments they can have." Romney is reviving Sarah Palin's old death panels lie here. Obamacare does establish an Independent Payment Advisory Board to help constrain the growth of Medicare spending. The body has no authority to dictate the practices of the private insurance marketplace. And the law also makes explicit that this body is banned from rationing care or limiting medical benefits to seniors.

5. "Pre-existing conditions are covered under my plan." In the biggest whopper of the night, Romney suggested that his health care proposal would guarantee coverage to Americans with pre-existing conditions. This is just not true. Under Romney, if you have a pre-existing condition and have been unable to obtain insurance coverage or if you have had to drop coverage for more than 90 days because you lost your job or couldn't afford the premiums, you would be shit out of luck. Insurance companies could continue to discriminate and deny you coverage, as even Romney's top adviser conceded after the debate was over.



Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-first-debate-mitt-romneys-five-biggest-lies-20121004#ixzz28T8MM512
Just thought you would like to see information ab... (show quote)


Rolling Stone.... Such a credible partisan source, most people would be embarrassed to quote their articles... Weren't they exposed for a huge lie in the last week or two... Fact checkers have already stated that Obama's claims about Romeny's tax plans are false...

Let's just take a look at what the actual Tax Policy center says about that particular lie....

Quote:
As a political matter, such reticence is understandable. To sell yourself and your policy, it’s natural to emphasize the things that people like, such as tax cuts, while downplaying the specifics of who will bear the accompanying costs. Last February, President Obama did the same thing when he rolled out his business tax proposal. The president was very clear about lowering the corporate rate from 35 percent to 28 percent, but he provided few examples of the tax breaks he would cut to pay for it. Such is politics.

What should we infer from this result? Like Howard Gleckman, I don’t interpret this as evidence that Governor Romney wants to increase taxes on the middle class in order to cut taxes for the rich, as an Obama campaign ad claimed. Instead, I view it as showing that his plan can’t accomplish all his stated objectives. One can charitably view his plan as a combination of political signaling and the opening offer in what would, if he gets elected, become a negotiation.

http://taxvox.taxpolicycenter.org/2012/08/08/understanding-tpcs-analysis-of-governor-romneys-tax-plan/
As a political matter, such reticence is understan... (show quote)


It is the labor department who is hood winking you about unemployment as U-6 is at 14.7% as of today's report and that does indeed represent approximately 23 million people in a workforce of about 150 to 155 million people.

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Oct 5, 2012 20:53:23   #
Black Bart Loc: Indiana
 
Richard94611 wrote:
If a liberal told you a car coming down the road was going to hit you, would you move ?

Black Bart wrote:
Well certainly not a unbiased source.

Tim Dickinson From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search

Tim Dickinson with Rolling Stone magazine at the Bay Area New Media Summit 2009.Tim Dickinson is a progressive American political correspondent and blog author. Based in San Francisco, California, he is best known for his opinion pieces with Rolling Stone. His article "Machinery of Hope" about U.S. president Barack Obama's 2008 political campaign was anthologized in The Best American Political Writing 2008 (Public Affairs).[1] His other work includes six years as an editor of Mother Jones magazine, and as a writer for Outside, Wired, and local San Francisco magazines. Dickinson is also a frequently invited commentator on CNN, MSNBC and NPR.

Nothing but more Liberal Bullshit
Well certainly not a unbiased source. br br Tim D... (show quote)


If a liberal told you a car coming down the road w... (show quote)
What does a car on the road have to do with the garbage you posted.

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Oct 5, 2012 20:56:05   #
Richard94611 Loc: Oakland, CA
 
Republican logic error # 1: To compare two different types of unemployment statistics, hoping we won't see that it is like comparing apples and oranges.

Folks, the unemployment figure is dropping, by any measure. Obama is having some success, despite the efforts of Republicans' in the House trying to prevent it.

Wall street is higher than it ever has been or has been in a long, long time. That should please the 1% among you.

And you're taking on an adversary more powerful than you -- Big Bird.





Blurryeyed wrote:
Richard94611 wrote:
Just thought you would like to see information about Romney's five biggest lies during the first presidential debate:

Tim Dickinson
October 4, 2012 9:32 AM ET
Mitt Romney turned in a polished performance in last night's presidential debate – and revealed himself to be an accomplished and unapologetic liar. In an evening where he sought to slice and dice the president with statistics, Romney baldly misrepresented his own policy prescriptions, made up numbers to fit his attacks and buried clear contrasts with the president under a heaping pile of horseshit.

Here are mendacious Mitt's five most outrageous statements:

1. "I don't have a $5 trillion tax cut." Romney flatly lied about the cost of his proposal to cut income-tax rates across the board by another 20 percent (undercutting even the low rates of the Bush tax cuts). Independent economists at the Tax Policy Center have shown that the price tag for those cuts is $360 billion in the first year, a cost that extrapolates to $5 trillion over a decade.

2. "I will not reduce the taxes paid by high-income Americans." Romney has claimed that he will pay for his tax cuts by closing a variety of loopholes and deductions. The factual problem? Romney hasn't named a single loophole he's willing to close; worse, there's no way to offset $5 trillion in tax cuts even if you get rid of the entire universe of deductions for the wealthy that Romney has not put off the table (like the carried interest loophole or the 15 percent capital gains rate.) The Tax Policy Center report concludes that Romney's proposal would create a "net tax cut for high-income tax payers and a net tax increase for lower- and or middle-income taxpayers." Moreover, some of Romney's tax cuts are micro-targeted at American dynasties, particularly his proposal to eliminate the estate tax, which would reduce his own sons' tax burden by tens of millions of dollars.

3. "We've got 23 million people out of work or [who have] stopped looking for work in this country." Romney is lying for effect. The nation's crisis of joblessness is bad, but not 23 million bad. The official figure is 12.5 million unemployed. An additional 2.6 million Americans have stopped looking for jobs. How does Romney gin up his eye-popping 23 million figure? He counts more than 8 million wage earners who hold part-time jobs as also being "out of work."

4. Obamacare "puts in place an unelected board that's going to tell people ultimately what kind of treatments they can have." Romney is reviving Sarah Palin's old death panels lie here. Obamacare does establish an Independent Payment Advisory Board to help constrain the growth of Medicare spending. The body has no authority to dictate the practices of the private insurance marketplace. And the law also makes explicit that this body is banned from rationing care or limiting medical benefits to seniors.

5. "Pre-existing conditions are covered under my plan." In the biggest whopper of the night, Romney suggested that his health care proposal would guarantee coverage to Americans with pre-existing conditions. This is just not true. Under Romney, if you have a pre-existing condition and have been unable to obtain insurance coverage or if you have had to drop coverage for more than 90 days because you lost your job or couldn't afford the premiums, you would be shit out of luck. Insurance companies could continue to discriminate and deny you coverage, as even Romney's top adviser conceded after the debate was over.



Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-first-debate-mitt-romneys-five-biggest-lies-20121004#ixzz28T8MM512
Just thought you would like to see information ab... (show quote)


Rolling Stone.... Such a credible partisan source, most people would be embarrassed to quote their articles... Weren't they exposed for a huge lie in the last week or two... Fact checkers have already stated that Obama's claims about Romeny's tax plans are false...

Let's just take a look at what the actual Tax Policy center says about that particular lie....

Quote:
As a political matter, such reticence is understandable. To sell yourself and your policy, it’s natural to emphasize the things that people like, such as tax cuts, while downplaying the specifics of who will bear the accompanying costs. Last February, President Obama did the same thing when he rolled out his business tax proposal. The president was very clear about lowering the corporate rate from 35 percent to 28 percent, but he provided few examples of the tax breaks he would cut to pay for it. Such is politics.

What should we infer from this result? Like Howard Gleckman, I don’t interpret this as evidence that Governor Romney wants to increase taxes on the middle class in order to cut taxes for the rich, as an Obama campaign ad claimed. Instead, I view it as showing that his plan can’t accomplish all his stated objectives. One can charitably view his plan as a combination of political signaling and the opening offer in what would, if he gets elected, become a negotiation.

http://taxvox.taxpolicycenter.org/2012/08/08/understanding-tpcs-analysis-of-governor-romneys-tax-plan/
As a political matter, such reticence is understan... (show quote)


It is the labor department who is hood winking you about unemployment as U-6 is at 14.7% as of today's report and that does indeed represent approximately 23 million people in a workforce of about 150 to 155 million people.
quote=Richard94611 Just thought you would like t... (show quote)

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Oct 5, 2012 20:59:13   #
Richard94611 Loc: Oakland, CA
 
I forgot to add that the big culprit here in logical error is BlurryEyed. He's the one who tried to pull the wool over your eyes by comparing one type of unemployment figure with another.

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Oct 5, 2012 21:16:41   #
Richard94611 Loc: Oakland, CA
 
Talk about total confusion and denial -- the Republican reaction to the just-released job numbers is a scream. It is one of the funniest things I have seen in a long, long time.

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