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Jan 13, 2021 17:03:54   #
JBRIII
 
chrissybabe wrote:
This issue of varying freight charges is interesting. I have bought a number of things to NZ from the US and find the different freight charges (for items of similar size/weight) vary wildly. I do not import anything that has an excessive freight charge from the US (nor Europe by the way). I am happy to pay a reasonable freight charge. A recent example is an item from Europe (where it is made) landed here about NZD150. The same item from their agents in Australia about $90 landed.
I suspect a lot of the excessive freight charges are because the seller is/has not negotiated a good deal with the freight company.
Cheap goods arriving from China to NZ typically take 4-8 weeks and probably arrive on container rather than by air. The annoying thing is there is usually no option to ship via air which would be more expensive but a lot quicker. Items coming like this, including the item, are cheaper than just the cost of sending a similar sized package within NZ.
So the shipping bag, transport to the consolidating yard, transport to NZ (air or sea), sorting within NZ, local delivery within NZ, and operating a reporting system of package location, is still cheaper than sending within NZ.
So somebody somewhere is taking somebody for a ride.
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I wonder if there are some sort of international agreements on postage designed to facilitate communication, i.e., allow people in poorer countries to send to richer ones without going broke. Countries may also pay set amounts to each other rather than tabulating each package. Just speculating, need someone in trade relations of something who knows.
I have seen the same thing with some special adapter ring or such sent from China, takes weeks, free shipping and cost next to nothing.

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Jan 13, 2021 17:20:11   #
Nancysc
 
This does not sound like an authentic eBay message. Don't do anything. Contact eBay directly, not thorugh this message.

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Jan 13, 2021 17:37:30   #
hj Loc: Florida
 
alexol wrote:
What you show is an email not a statement from the eBay website.

No statement from eBay begins "From: eBay".

Anyway, enough of this for me.

Over and out, boys and girls.


Pay attention! Of course that is PART OF AN EMAIL and then additional information was more specific by clicking on certain areas. Guess time will tell if they have changed their processes. I was NOT stupid enough to give them any kind of information.

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Jan 13, 2021 19:13:30   #
Drbobcameraguy Loc: Eaton Ohio
 
Longshadow wrote:
Wow, the Social requirement is probably for tax reporting, you know, your income from the sales.....

Another underground economy is garage sales.

Always thought it was funny - one pays a sales tax on purchasing an item, then when you sell it at a later date one is also supposed to report the income from the sale. Funds taxed going out and coming back in.
Someone sold it to you, you sold it to someone. A "transaction" tax I suppose. The "income", which already came in once, is taxed again coming in the "second" time, if they can.
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That is regular sop in this country. You are taxed when you make your wages. Again when you spend your wages. Been that way my entire life and i dont agree with it.

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Jan 13, 2021 22:46:06   #
Bridges Loc: Memphis, Charleston SC, now Nazareth PA
 
Timmers wrote:
Big mistake. If you want to kick a company in the nuts, stop doing business with them. The power of the American consumer is to not let them get your money out of your pocket and into theirs. Anyone who does not understand this has no clue about consumer power. And do send them a notice that you are taking your business else where. They actually do listen to this because it is the loose of income.


Sam Walton once said the real boss at WalMart is the customer. The customer has the power to fire you by simply not shopping with you any longer.

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Jan 14, 2021 00:00:03   #
Triple G
 
Paul Diamond wrote:
This is America!?! Level the "playing field" at the very least.

USPS, give small sellers based in the USA the same shipping prices that you give to foreign sellers (who don't pay sales tax or income tax).

Simple solution to the problem, or at least part of it.


Price point decreases per volume in mailing through the USPS bulk service has been a fixture of their service for a very long time.

https://about.usps.com/newsroom/national-releases/2019/1114-usps-reports-fiscal-year-2019-results.htm

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Jan 14, 2021 09:01:01   #
IDguy Loc: Idaho
 
hj wrote:
Today received an email detailing changes how payments to sellers are handled. I will not sell on eBay any longer. First they require I give them my social security number. They will no longer pay the seller through their PayPal account. Instead eBay will deduct all fees from the amount distributed and then pay the balance directly into the seller's specified bank account - NO LONGER TO A PAYPAL ACCOUNT. NO THANKS. I LIKED KEEP MY SELLER FUNDS SEPARATE FROM OUR HOUSEHOLD ACCOUNT. Final value fees have increased ostensibly to compensate for no longer getting PayPal fees, but in the process I'm sure they are going to make more money through a series of other changes which are not readily apparent to the seller. I'm done with eBay for good. They continue to make changes only to their own benefit. I will continue to buy on eBay but not sell.
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SCAM!

Only your medical insurance company should get your SS#.

Those SCAMs can look real. NEVER click on them.

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Jan 14, 2021 15:49:09   #
Paul Diamond Loc: Atlanta, GA, USA
 
alexol wrote:
For anyone interested and hopefully to further the understanding of a number following this thread who clearly have no idea about international trade & pricing, that the US is not the epicenter of the planet, here's a detailed explanation of how the international postal system works. Not my explanation, copied from a gent on reddit. The info is about 6 years old but remains mostly accurate.

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There's this body called the UPU (Universal Postal Union), of which 192 countries are members (so basically everybody). The UPU is like the UN of postal services; they meet occasionally at a big congress and discuss policy and implementation. The UPU also works closely with the IATA (International Air Transport Association) as most mail moves between countries by air.

If you were shipping from the US to Germany, a tracking number would be generated for your package. It will make its way to one a city with a big international airport, like LA, Chicago, NYC, Miami etc. What happens behind the scenes is very complicated but I'll give you the gist. Your parcel will be "dispatched" to the destination airport, either directly or via a number of intermediate airports. All of this information is transferred electronically to the airline, the destination carrier and any intermediate ports. There need not be any prior notice, direct flight or any kind of clearance; you can dispatch a package anywhere in the world.

Until 1969, there wasn't any compensation between global carriers. It basically worked as a "You take our mail, we'll take yours" system. Of course, there wasn't any electronic data exchange either, so it was difficult to record and keep track of mail flow between countries.

In 1969, the Tokyo congress of the UPU implemented a system called Terminal Dues. This is how the destination country is compensated for its costs of transport and delivery. Although it was originally focussed on correcting imbalances (e.g. there is much more mail volume from the US to Canada than from Canada to the US), it is now focussed on targeting the actual cost of individual mail flows and compensating carriers accordingly (i.e. it is based on actual costs, not the difference in inbound and outbound volume).

Of course, a one-size-fits-all system isn't easy when you're coordinating 192 member nations. UPU members are classified differently based on their developmental status (e.g. LLDC = land-locked developing country); this, mail volume and a shit-tonne of other variables are taken into account when the TD rates are determined.

While the actual rates are not disclosed to the general public, I'd ballpark it at between 0.5 SDR/kg to 5 SDR/kg, with additional charges for registered items, insured items etc. Have you ever wondered how eBay sellers from China can sell you a small trinket for $3 shipped, but it costs you $20 to send the same thing back to China? Well the transport cost would be the same (0.554 SDR/tonne-km), but the terminal dues are wildly different.

Unfortunately, there are many agreements that override the terminal dues system. Although it's the same in principle, two countries that exchange significant mail volume (e.g. the US and Canada) have contracts that determine who pays for what, and how much; this is why in the terminal directory, CAYMQB (CA (Canada) YMQ (Montreal) B, for example) says "May be used only with bilateral agreement with Canada Post". The beauty of the UPU is that two member countries need not have agreements with each other, but mail can still be dispatched between them.
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The UPU - we are going off on a tangent. But, the USA's participation in the UPU rates are negotiations. And the USA can charge higher or lower rates for each specific country shipping to the USA. The USPS 'gave' lower rates to developing countries - India, Vietnam, etc. after giving great prices to China some years before. - Point it, the USPS can raise the rates from China to pay for the cost of USA sorting, transportation, staffing, etc. all done in the USA to deliver a package. The overhead costs of the USPS should be the same for every item "handled", "carried" and "delivered" within the USA. This is about the cost of doing business expenses within the USA for all packages handled by the USPS. They should be equitable.

If you are offered a meeting with the USPS to discuss volume pricing discounts, the first thing the USPS rep does is require that you sign a "non-disclosure agreement" about any pricing/volume being discussed. They know that they do not want this information disclosed (or compared) by USA sellers using their services. The issue is the disparity of pricing for the same service from location "A" to location "Z" for any package of the same size/weight.

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Jan 28, 2021 19:00:11   #
hj Loc: Florida
 
hj wrote:
Today received an email detailing changes how payments to sellers are handled. I will not sell on eBay any longer. First they require I give them my social security number. They will no longer pay the seller through their PayPal account. Instead eBay will deduct all fees from the amount distributed and then pay the balance directly into the seller's specified bank account - NO LONGER TO A PAYPAL ACCOUNT. NO THANKS. I LIKED KEEP MY SELLER FUNDS SEPARATE FROM OUR HOUSEHOLD ACCOUNT. Final value fees have increased ostensibly to compensate for no longer getting PayPal fees, but in the process I'm sure they are going to make more money through a series of other changes which are not readily apparent to the seller. I'm done with eBay for good. They continue to make changes only to their own benefit. I will continue to buy on eBay but not sell.
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Today got another email to add my bank account as eBay payment procedures are changing. I called and confirmed with eBay that this is true. They will begin bypassing PayPal by making payment directly to the sellers bank account. Following is part of what the email said: "How are my fees changing?
Your eBay selling fees and expenses will be automatically deducted from your earnings before you get paid. The remainder of your earnings will go directly to your bank account, not your PayPal account. You'll no longer have to pay PayPal payment processing fees and no more separate monthly fee payments. Examples of eBay selling fees include: insertion fees, listing upgrades, and store subscription fees." WHAT THE EMAIL DIDN'T SAY... they are increasing the eBay fees to offset what we would have otherwise paid in PayPal fees.... so no savings to the seller.

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