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Jan 8, 2021 20:05:30   #
Photolady2014 Loc: Southwest Colorado
 
Wow, just had an upsetting situation happen on Instagram. I made a comment on a non photography post on Instagram and someone must have gone to my page, or what ever you call it, and looked at my photos. They then went on to say that many of the photos were not mine! They even said they had seen one on Nat Geo and was not mine and I was not giving credit! I responded to this person saying they were certainly all mine and the response back was there is no watermark and why do others names show up? Then proceeded to ask if I worked for Nat Geo.... I can only assume the other names they referred to are the people I tagged who were on the trip with me and I do not use a watermark, as many on Instagram do not.

This just really upsets me to be accused of claiming someone else’s photo! I did once again reply that I guaranteed that 1,000% they are all my photos and I was honored they thought my photos were Nat Geo worthy....

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Jan 8, 2021 20:09:21   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
Photolady2014 wrote:
I did once again reply that I guaranteed that 1,000% they are all my photos and I was honored they thought my photos were Nat Geo worthy....


Great response!


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Jan 8, 2021 20:12:44   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Just block their account and forget about it.

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Jan 8, 2021 20:23:10   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA
 
Not like only one or two people may have stood where you did to take images.
Take any popular place. How many images taken there in a year look almost identical?

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Jan 8, 2021 20:38:04   #
Photolady2014 Loc: Southwest Colorado
 
Bill_de wrote:
Great response!


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Thanks, just gets me, I would never pass another’s photo off as my own!

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Jan 8, 2021 20:40:15   #
Photolady2014 Loc: Southwest Colorado
 
Longshadow wrote:
Not like only one or two people may have stood where you did to take images.
Take any popular place. How many images taken there in a year look almost identical?


So true, it was a lion photo they mentioned. I am amazed how many people do know the names of the lions in Kenya and can tell them apart! It just bugs me, I would never claim another’s photo as mine!!!

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Jan 8, 2021 20:55:14   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA
 
Photolady2014 wrote:
So true, it was a lion photo they mentioned. I am amazed how many people do know the names of the lions in Kenya and can tell them apart! It just bugs me, I would never claim another’s photo as mine!!!



Neither would I.

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Jan 8, 2021 20:58:32   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
Photolady2014 wrote:
Wow, just had an upsetting situation happen on Instagram. I made a comment on a non photography post on Instagram and someone must have gone to my page, or what ever you call it, and looked at my photos. They then went on to say that many of the photos were not mine! They even said they had seen one on Nat Geo and was not mine and I was not giving credit! I responded to this person saying they were certainly all mine and the response back was there is no watermark and why do others names show up? Then proceeded to ask if I worked for Nat Geo.... I can only assume the other names they referred to are the people I tagged who were on the trip with me and I do not use a watermark, as many on Instagram do not.

This just really upsets me to be accused of claiming someone else’s photo! I did once again reply that I guaranteed that 1,000% they are all my photos and I was honoured they thought my photos were Nat Geo worthy....
Wow, just had an upsetting situation happen on Ins... (show quote)



I have seen your bird photographs- they are superb! You certainly have no need to plagiarize anyone else's work. Whoever attacked you on social media needs psychological help!

Many social media platforms have become dumpster fires ignited by troublemakers, trolls, liars, and sick folks who have nothing better to do with themselves than cause aggravation for others.

You have already repudiated the falsehood and anyone who knows you or your work will not believe those false accusations.  

As others have suggested, just forget about that post and do not dignify such falsehoods by engaging in protracted conversations withte the liar. Ignore or block that individual.

Personally, I confine my activities on general social media platforms for communicating with my grandchildren and a few friends and out-of-town relatives. If I want to post or share photographs I do so only with specific persons. This helps avoid misuse or unauthorized use of my images and dealing with trolls and troublemakers.

Please don't lose any sleep over stupidity!

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Jan 8, 2021 21:03:27   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
Photolady2014 wrote:
Wow, just had an upsetting situation happen on Instagram. I made a comment on a non photography post on Instagram and someone must have gone to my page, or what ever you call it, and looked at my photos. They then went on to say that many of the photos were not mine! They even said they had seen one on Nat Geo and was not mine and I was not giving credit! I responded to this person saying they were certainly all mine and the response back was there is no watermark and why do others names show up? Then proceeded to ask if I worked for Nat Geo.... I can only assume the other names they referred to are the people I tagged who were on the trip with me and I do not use a watermark, as many on Instagram do not.

This just really upsets me to be accused of claiming someone else’s photo! I did once again reply that I guaranteed that 1,000% they are all my photos and I was honored they thought my photos were Nat Geo worthy....
Wow, just had an upsetting situation happen on Ins... (show quote)


Things happen. I put a photo on the Olympus Gallery once. As the month when on, I went in weekly to see all the other people's photos for ideas and inspiration. Suddenly my photo was not listed as my photo but as someone else's photo! I wrote Olympus and told them I was the owner of the photo, gave them the information about the taking of the photo, and asked them to reattach my name to the photo. All they did was remove the photo from the gallery (I suspect because of the "disputed" ownership). It was mind blowing to me that someone would even try and claim another person's photo as their own. But I know for a fact, due to this experience, that it has, it is, and it will happen again even if not to me.

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Jan 8, 2021 21:24:34   #
UTMike Loc: South Jordan, UT
 
Beth, I have seen your work for a long time and I can understand why someone would think it came from Nat Geo, but can't you explain how they can get the EXIF data from your shots?

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Jan 9, 2021 04:51:48   #
Scruples Loc: Brooklyn, New York
 
Photolady2014 wrote:
Wow, just had an upsetting situation happen on Instagram. I made a comment on a non photography post on Instagram and someone must have gone to my page, or what ever you call it, and looked at my photos. They then went on to say that many of the photos were not mine! They even said they had seen one on Nat Geo and was not mine and I was not giving credit! I responded to this person saying they were certainly all mine and the response back was there is no watermark and why do others names show up? Then proceeded to ask if I worked for Nat Geo.... I can only assume the other names they referred to are the people I tagged who were on the trip with me and I do not use a watermark, as many on Instagram do not.

This just really upsets me to be accused of claiming someone else’s photo! I did once again reply that I guaranteed that 1,000% they are all my photos and I was honored they thought my photos were Nat Geo worthy....
Wow, just had an upsetting situation happen on Ins... (show quote)


There are of plenty of trolls Who reside in social media. This is because of the anonymity they are given. As an accomplished photographer, the EXIF data can vouch for your work. As a hobbyist, my photos are not my livelihood. I can understand how your experience can be upsetting.
Perhaps spending time with a book called, “The Copyright Zone, A Legal Guide For Photographers and Artists In The Digital Age” by Edward C. Greenberg and Jack Reznicki. You could watermark your photographs or even create a poor man’s copyright. You take your photographs and mail them back to yourself. When you receive them leave the envelope closed.

As I am Jewish I practice several laws and cultural rules. I will NOT go into those here because I do not wish this post to end up in the Attic. I can be privately messaged so as not to offend others here or the Administrators.

As I am not a professional photographer, I can understand how you must feel. But we have several professionals here who have their wits about them. Follow their advice because it is from experience.

In any case, don’t lose sleep over this, you have this covered. Just remember there are a lot of trolls out there and they gather on Social Media with nothing better to do.

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Jan 9, 2021 05:32:14   #
bobforman
 
Beth, remember the adage about arguing with idiots. There are morons out the with nothing else to do but make feeble attempts at tearing down successful people....and photographers.

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Jan 9, 2021 05:49:51   #
goldstar46 Loc: Tampa, Fl
 
Photolady2014 wrote:
Wow, just had an upsetting situation happen on Instagram. I made a comment on a non photography post on Instagram and someone must have gone to my page, or what ever you call it, and looked at my photos. They then went on to say that many of the photos were not mine! They even said they had seen one on Nat Geo and was not mine and I was not giving credit! I responded to this person saying they were certainly all mine and the response back was there is no watermark and why do others names show up? Then proceeded to ask if I worked for Nat Geo.... I can only assume the other names they referred to are the people I tagged who were on the trip with me and I do not use a watermark, as many on Instagram do not.

This just really upsets me to be accused of claiming someone else’s photo! I did once again reply that I guaranteed that 1,000% they are all my photos and I was honored they thought my photos were Nat Geo worthy....
Wow, just had an upsetting situation happen on Ins... (show quote)

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Photo Lady...

I will only say that your second answer was absolutely the best... End of Story

... leave it at that... God Love you

After being on this planet for 74 years and being a cop for over 30 years, I learned a long time ago, there are many different types of people in this world... and that will "NEVER" change. You, are you... and that is "OK"

One philosophy I have in life is... "Live, and Let Live" and with your second answer, you did just that.



Cheers
GeoVz
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Jan 9, 2021 05:51:15   #
User ID
 
Photolady2014 wrote:
Wow, just had an upsetting situation happen on Instagram. I made a comment on a non photography post on Instagram and someone must have gone to my page, or what ever you call it, and looked at my photos. They then went on to say that many of the photos were not mine! They even said they had seen one on Nat Geo and was not mine and I was not giving credit! I responded to this person saying they were certainly all mine and the response back was there is no watermark and why do others names show up? Then proceeded to ask if I worked for Nat Geo.... I can only assume the other names they referred to are the people I tagged who were on the trip with me and I do not use a watermark, as many on Instagram do not.

This just really upsets me to be accused of claiming someone else’s photo! I did once again reply that I guaranteed that 1,000% they are all my photos and I was honored they thought my photos were Nat Geo worthy....
Wow, just had an upsetting situation happen on Ins... (show quote)


YMMV but I never cast pearls before swine. Logical or rational defensive argument is ineffective against stoopiditty. Unfortunately you have already dignified the accusation with a logic-based reply. I never dignify such BS by means of reason, logic or fact.

In your shoes I’d have been rather bombastic, claiming to work for not only Nat Geo but also MI-6, and the KGB and that all other practitioners are all just my puppets.

Essentially such replies say “Your accusation is so fictional and irrational that it can’t be taken seriously”.

I can claim I work anonymously for Nat Geo. My accuser says “prove it”. I reply “prove I don’t”. Then I ignore whatever proceeds from there.

Watermark ??? “I don’t deface my work. I use an invisible radioactive watermark and it has always held its own in court, 100%.” and “Visible watermarks are mainly for sad little nobodies pretending to have something to protect”.

Cast no pearls of logic or honesty before swine. No half measures. Make your fictional and illogical replies blatantly tall tales. Radioactive ? Digitally online ? Tell me thaz unsane, and I’ll ask you “Is the hook hurting your lip much ? cuz it’s all swollen and bloody!”.

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Jan 9, 2021 06:28:35   #
Scruples Loc: Brooklyn, New York
 
User ID wrote:
YMMV but I never cast pearls before swine. Logical or rational defensive argument is ineffective against stoopiditty. Unfortunately you have already dignified the accusation with a logic-based reply. I never dignify such BS by means of reason, logic or fact.

In your shoes I’d have been rather bombastic, claiming to work for not only Nat Geo but also MI-6, and the KGB and that all other practitioners are all just my puppets.

Essentially such replies say “Your accusation is so fictional and irrational that it can’t be taken seriously”.

I can claim I work anonymously for Nat Geo. My accuser says “prove it”. I reply “prove I don’t”. Then I ignore whatever proceeds from there.

Watermark ??? “I don’t deface my work. I use an invisible radioactive watermark and it has always held its own in court, 100%.” and “Visible watermarks are mainly for sad little nobodies pretending to have something to protect”.

Cast no pearls of logic or honesty before swine. No half measures. Make your fictional and illogical replies blatantly tall tales. Radioactive ? Digitally online ? Tell me thaz unsane, and I’ll ask you “Is the hook hurting your lip much ? cuz it’s all swollen and bloody!”.
YMMV but I never cast pearls before swine. Logical... (show quote)


I think the original poster (PHOTOLADY2014) had handled it very well. I think as you do that she doesn’t need to prove anything to no one. As for a Watermark I never considered it as defacing my photographs. You do make a good point as a “watermark is for sad little nobodies with something to protect”. That is why I suggested a Poor Man’s Copyright. I have never heard of a radioactive copyright. Could you elaborate how this is accomplished. I would appreciate it and I’m sure other Hoggers might as well. You are welcome to private message me so as not to hijack this thread.

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