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Oct 4, 2012 10:49:06   #
jvance Loc: Granbury, Texas
 
Richard94611 wrote:
Yes,it was interesting. As I said, Romney was a lot smoother than I have ever seen him before. But do you dispute my point about loopholes and deductions, or does that just not matter to you ?

And by the way, Croce, my thanks that you didn't make us all wade through 2,000 words to make your point. Your brevity was a pleasant change.


Blurryeyed wrote:
Richard94611 wrote:
Just finished watching Romney and Obama in the debate. Romney was much smoother than I have ever before seen him -- but still lying and trying to sell snake oil deceptively.

For instance, let's look at his statement that he won't raise taxes. One of his oft-repeated goals, he has said repeatedly in past months, is that he will achieve his financial goals "without raising taxes." He has also stated that he will achieve much of this by closing "loopholes," and one of the loopholes he intends to close is the household mortgage interest deduction.

Well, now, let's look at the math. If you are buying a house and paying $1,000/month in interest, which is a low amount here in California, that means you no longer get to deduct 12 x 1,000 from your income. Let us assume you stay within the 15% tax bracket on your earnings. Fifteen percent of $12,000 is $1,800, which is the additional amount you will have to pay on your income tax. No, Romney won't raise taxes. He will achieve the same thing by not allowing you deductions you have had for years, and effectively by making you pay more.

Romney is a snake oil salesman.
Just finished watching Romney and Obama in the deb... (show quote)


LOL Romney kicked Obama's azz so much so that MSNBC had a meltdown.... it was really funny to watch, also saw a focus group that was made up of over 50% Obama voters who not only agreed but about 3/4 of the group said that they would be voting for Romney after the debate.... Obama got smoked.. The focus group was amazing, about 24 people who before the debate would have split for Obama after the debate Obama had only about 4 supporters left... It was a great night for Romney... It will be interesting to see the post debate polls when they come out in a few days...
quote=Richard94611 Just finished watching Romney ... (show quote)
Yes,it was interesting. As I said, Romney was a l... (show quote)


simply put YES

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Oct 4, 2012 10:50:34   #
jbmauser Loc: Roanoke, VA
 
[quote=Richard94611] It is true that Republicans kept him from achieving many other things he wanted to achieve.


Wow, talk about revised history. Republicans could not prevent him from doing anything he wanted. They did not have the votes. If anybody stopped him at all it was a bunch of Democrats who made up the resistance that mattered. Open your eyes and stop listening to the cliches.

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Oct 4, 2012 10:52:54   #
Hunter Lou 1947 Loc: Minnesota
 
Mattie wrote:
Hunter Lou 1947 wrote:
Kit Lens wrote:
Over the past several months I did figure out one thing about the candidates and the most disturbing wasn't that I didn't like romney, it was that Romney doesn't like me.
I'm one of those takers. After working only 55 years, I began claiming social security. So now, I'm a 47%'r. He doesn't consider me a job creator but my taxes & expenditures support the police, fire department, sanitation department, public works department, the Lawn Doctor guy, UPS, the Post Office, my local repair shop, grocery store and restaurant to name a few. Yet Romney/Ryan don't like me because I don't own a small business or better yet a large corporation.
So in the end, why put someone in the White House who is looking at me as a leech.
No thanks guys. I'll stick with Obama.
Over the past several months I did figure out one ... (show quote)


Yea, you 47% people we had better go to the polls. I'm on S.S. and my wife still works so we are in a higher income bracket where I pay a portion of my S.S. I'm no leech or a person called a looser or a taker. I've paid my fair share of taxes over the years and I served my country under a draft order during the Viet Nam war. Romney choose to avoid his service obligation and sit and relax at some religious school. Using that to keep him out of the military. I resent the idea that Romney calls us folks who are in the 47% free loaders, takers or leeches. One who advocates that type of thinking has no business being the president of these United States. Come on you takers, keep the President on the job for another four years. I'm proud to be a liberal also.
quote=Kit Lens Over the past several months I did... (show quote)


You mentioned Romney skipping out on the Military... what, pray tell, do you think Obama was doing.. selling incense to the rich? He acts like he is so in love with the Military.. but why did he not see those Military men got their voting papers in time to for in Nov... Oh I see why, cause he knows they normally vote Republican... therefore none of them will be able to vote for Romney... awwww... Obama's mindset never ceases to amaze me... he's one step ahead of everyone when it comes to things he wants..
quote=Hunter Lou 1947 quote=Kit Lens Over the pa... (show quote)


Mattie: Go check the record. He fought for the Military men and women to have the right to vote. It was taken care of. They got their papers in time to vote. It was the Republican House who dragged their feet. Check it out young man.

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Oct 4, 2012 10:53:27   #
HEART Loc: God's Country - COLORADO
 
Richard94611 wrote:
This debate wasn't about "losing" or "winning." It was about setting forth policy that each candidate believes in and will follow.


tom kf4wol wrote:
Losers can never understand when the more skilled and prepared win!




Unfortunately, your president has created an environment of "winners" vs. "losers", "rich" vs. "poor", "black" vs "white", etc.

Your president also has race-bated (ex: 2007 film), aided in the cover up the killing of a border agent, failed to protect embassies, failed the economy, and failed the citizens of this nation.

We've been on the losing end of his policies. Time to end a losing president's tenure. Just hope it isn't too late to right a nation.

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Oct 4, 2012 10:56:10   #
Bangee5 Loc: Louisiana
 
dragonfist wrote:
wilpharm wrote:
Kit Lens wrote:
Over the past several months I did figure out one thing about the candidates and the most disturbing wasn't that I didn't like romney, it was that Romney doesn't like me.
I'm one of those takers. After working only 55 years, I began claiming social security. So now, I'm a 47%'r. He doesn't consider me a job creator but my taxes & expenditures support the police, fire department, sanitation department, public works department, the Lawn Doctor guy, UPS, the Post Office, my local repair shop, grocery store and restaurant to name a few. Yet Romney/Ryan don't like me because I don't own a small business or better yet a large corporation.
So in the end, why put someone in the White House who is looking at me as a leech.


No thanks guys. I'll stick with Obama.
Over the past several months I did figure out one ... (show quote)



Do you really think Barry Hussein likes you or even gives a rats patoot...
quote=Kit Lens Over the past several months I did... (show quote)


Romney tries too hard to give the impression he gives a crap about the average person. He can't even relate to our problems or lifestyle. We all know that so he should quit trying to act like he does. I am not saying that President Obama is everybody's buddy but at least he and his wife can relate to the problems of the common man a lot better than Mr. Romney ever will. The only thing Mr. Romney ever had to worry about at dinner time was whether the fillet mignon was cooked to his taste and not whether there would even be enough to feed the family. I am not saying that is wrong, he was born into wealth but he can not even begin to relate to the common mans problems. I fear he will pander to the wishes of his rich friends and forget about the majority of folk that put him in office should he win.
quote=wilpharm quote=Kit Lens Over the past seve... (show quote)


Wait, hold that thought. I can not relate to Obama, no way - no how. I was raised in the south (you know what that means), a poor white boy. Now, how does Obama relate to me. He is half white and half black (and he does hate his white half). His white grandparents had money and his stepfather had money. His friends had money. Just how does he relate to me?

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Oct 4, 2012 10:58:45   #
Hunter Lou 1947 Loc: Minnesota
 
HEART wrote:
Richard94611 wrote:
This debate wasn't about "losing" or "winning." It was about setting forth policy that each candidate believes in and will follow.


tom kf4wol wrote:
Losers can never understand when the more skilled and prepared win!




Unfortunately, your president has created an environment of "winners" vs. "losers", "rich" vs. "poor", "black" vs "white", etc.

Your president also has race-bated (ex: 2007 film), aided in the cover up the killing of a border agent, failed to protect embassies, failed the economy, and failed the citizens of this nation.

We've been on the losing end of his policies. Time to end a losing president's tenure. Just hope it isn't too late to right a nation.
quote=Richard94611 This debate wasn't about "... (show quote)


There's another 36 days until the election and "Snake Oil" evaporates within three days, so Romney has to re-apply it with some more crap. Keepon trying.

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Oct 4, 2012 10:59:20   #
jvance Loc: Granbury, Texas
 
Richard94611 wrote:
All one has to do is find one thing that Obama said he would accomplish that he did accomplish and your statement that he never followed through on any of his promises. He got Obamacare passed, and that, in my opinion, was a great accomplishment as well as the fulfillment of a promise. It is true that Republicans kept him from achieving many other things he wanted to achieve. But your statement is the usual Republican hyperbole. It is false.


1eyedjack wrote:
Obama never followed through on any of his 2088 promises.
Obama got wiped in the debate. I think Ob went home and cried in his pillow.
All one has to do is find one thing that Obama sai... (show quote)


You would need a magnafing glass. but your compliment of Obama health plan shows that what has taken Ca down you belive in.!! havent you learnd any thing from the conditions in your own state. ? Gov can't do everything for you, you have to stand on your own two feet.

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Oct 4, 2012 11:04:41   #
jvance Loc: Granbury, Texas
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
Richard94611 wrote:
The day after the election will be an interesting one in this forum.

I agree that Obama was disappointing in this debate. I don't agree that Romney's positions would be good for this country.

Romney was the smoothest I have ever seen him.


Richard, my opinion is that the president approached this debate the same way that he approaches his job, half heartedly somehow thinking that his silver tongue would pull him through. The press has refused to do their job in asking the president the hard questions that they have asked every other president and tonight he was finally held to some sort of account... It will only get worse in the next two debates because as we see the middle east melting down and the resurgence of Al Queda his Bin Laden's dead slogan will not hold up to a real look into his foreign policy.... the events of this last month keep getting uglier and uglier for the president as his lack of efforts in several areas are finally coming to light... He is a rock star, but he is not a leader and he can not stand shoulder to shoulder with Romney in a setting like this and BS his way out of it... That was clearly evident tonight.
quote=Richard94611 The day after the election wil... (show quote)


I'm curious, What foreign policy ? LoL

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Oct 4, 2012 11:04:48   #
tramsey Loc: Texas
 
I still don't like either one of the, I don't trust either one of them running my U.S. of A.

What I like about the debate was when Obama repeatedly said that Romney's plan was to increase the taxes by 5 trillion dollars etc etc and Romney wouldn't let him get away with it. He equated Obama and his henchmen to his five boys saying that if you repeat a lie enough times people will start believing it. Did you see Obama smirk the first time that happen?

Obama's policy of lead from behind baffles me.

Neither one is fit to be President and bring back the respect that this great country deserves.

I wish Clayton Powell was running. When they asked him he just laughed and shook his head.

I'm voting for Pat Paulson.

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Oct 4, 2012 11:07:35   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
tramsey wrote:
I still don't like either one of the, I don't trust either one of them running my U.S. of A.

What I like about the debate was when Obama repeatedly said that Romney's plan was to increase the taxes by 5 trillion dollars etc etc and Romney wouldn't let him get away with it. He equated Obama and his henchmen to his five boys saying that if you repeat a lie enough times people will start believing it. Did you see Obama smirk the first time that happen?

Obama's policy of lead from behind baffles me.

Neither one is fit to be President and bring back the respect that this great country deserves.

I wish Clayton Powell was running. When they asked him he just laughed and shook his head.

I'm voting for Pat Paulson.
I still don't like either one of the, I don't tru... (show quote)


I think that you meant Colin Powell, but just so you understand that a vote for Pat Paulson just means that someone else's vote for Obama will make a difference.

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Oct 4, 2012 11:28:21   #
HEART Loc: God's Country - COLORADO
 
Richard94611 wrote:
All one has to do is find one thing that Obama said he would accomplish that he did accomplish and your statement that he never followed through on any of his promises. He got Obamacare passed, and that, in my opinion, was a great accomplishment as well as the fulfillment of a promise. It is true that Republicans kept him from achieving many other things he wanted to achieve. But your statement is the usual Republican hyperbole. It is false.


1eyedjack wrote:
Obama never followed through on any of his 2088 promises.
Obama got wiped in the debate. I think Ob went home and cried in his pillow.
All one has to do is find one thing that Obama sai... (show quote)




A key component of Obamacare, the Health Insurance Exchanges, has already failed to gain traction in 27 states. As of Sept. 2012, legislation has failed, withdrawn, expired or vetoed in those states. 6 states have pending legislation. 14 states & D.C. have enacted legislation. These "exchanges" are SUPPOSED to up an operating by October 2013 (a year away). Nearly 30 states have thrown in the towel, citing lack of funding, and it is anticipated they will pass the whole mess back at the feds and say, do it if you want it.

NONE of the states have the resources to handle the massive regulatory and insurance burden required under the law. It is a fiasco. How is your state faring:

http://www.cbpp.org/files/CBPP-Analysis-on-the-Status-of-State-Exchange-Implementation.pdf

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Oct 4, 2012 11:39:30   #
Irontruck Loc: Phoenix, AZ
 
What do you call Obama, a Sunday School teacher? You liberals will probably want to have Government control of photography!

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Oct 4, 2012 11:43:09   #
Zenith701 Loc: Southern California
 
It absolutely is about winning or losing. Your point is correct about, if you don't raise the tax rate but you eliminate deductions, the net effect is the tax payer pays more. But, Romney said he wouldn't raise taxes and that is true. Obama pulls the same stuff by carefully choosing his words. All politicians use this method of speaking so that you hear what you want to hear, not necessarily what was said.

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Oct 4, 2012 11:44:29   #
silver Loc: Santa Monica Ca.
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
Richard94611 wrote:
Just finished watching Romney and Obama in the debate. Romney was much smoother than I have ever before seen him -- but still lying and trying to sell snake oil deceptively.

For instance, let's look at his statement that he won't raise taxes. One of his oft-repeated goals, he has said repeatedly in past months, is that he will achieve his financial goals "without raising taxes." He has also stated that he will achieve much of this by closing "loopholes," and one of the loopholes he intends to close is the household mortgage interest deduction.

Well, now, let's look at the math. If you are buying a house and paying $1,000/month in interest, which is a low amount here in California, that means you no longer get to deduct 12 x 1,000 from your income. Let us assume you stay within the 15% tax bracket on your earnings. Fifteen percent of $12,000 is $1,800, which is the additional amount you will have to pay on your income tax. No, Romney won't raise taxes. He will achieve the same thing by not allowing you deductions you have had for years, and effectively by making you pay more.

Romney is a snake oil salesman.
Just finished watching Romney and Obama in the deb... (show quote)


LOL Romney kicked Obama's azz so much so that MSNBC had a meltdown.... it was really funny to watch, also saw a focus group that was made up of over 50% Obama voters who not only agreed but about 3/4 of the group said that they would be voting for Romney after the debate.... Obama got smoked.. The focus group was amazing, about 24 people who before the debate would have split for Obama after the debate Obama had only about 4 supporters left... It was a great night for Romney... It will be interesting to see the post debate polls when they come out in a few days...
quote=Richard94611 Just finished watching Romney ... (show quote)


I started watching the "debate" and I was sickened by what was going on. After ten minutes I couldnt even understand what the hell they were talking about. Ill raise this, you will raise that, Ill reduce this, you will reduce that, raise taxes, lower taxes, take away this, add that, too much of this, too much of that, Take away NPR, save NPR, what the hell are these guys saying anyway. We are being fed a bunch of crap and the american public is dumb enough to go along with it. This was not a "debate " it was a popularity and beauty contest. Nobody said anything that a logical thinking person could understand. The american public is dumb to believe that any of this nonsense makes any sense at all. Debate, this was a disaster. The president can do nothing without the agreement of the senate and the congress, what nonsense. Nobody in there right mind could comprehend what was being said. Was there a winner? If this crap keeps up we will all lose in the long run.

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Oct 4, 2012 11:44:50   #
Kit Lens
 
Mattie wrote:
Kit Lens wrote:
Whether he actually likes me or not is inconsequential. At least, he's been there, done that. He came up from nothing and became President. Mitt Romney was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and never struggled or had to make due.
Romney and Ryan have made no secret of their disdain for those that accept anything from the government, even when earned. (Oh with one exception - Tax shelters and deductions for the Rich). so if you get a couple of thousand dollars a month from SSI, you're a taker. If you accept a million dollars for your corporation from the feds, you're a job creator.
No thanks Mitt. I've heard enough.
Whether he actually likes me or not is inconsequen... (show quote)

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One thing for sure.. Romney did NOT inherit ANY money from his parents.. THEY GAVE IT AWAY... Those Romney kids had to make it on their own... so Romney was not given money by his parents... he earned it... the hard way... People are jealous of his abilities... most of all Obama. Since you love to defend Obama so greatly, why not ask him to 'unseal' his college papers, tell you who paid his way through college.. and show his college grades... Both Obama and Michelle have sealed their college papers... try and find 'em unsealed...... wanna bet I'm right?? Also ask why he has two birth certificates... one from Hawaii... and one from Kenya? That one in Kenya.. even has his foot print on it like all birth certificates have... Tell me I'm wrong now...
quote=Kit Lens Whether he actually likes me or no... (show quote)


Sorry, but you are absolutely wrong. He inherited 1,000,000 dollars which is a pretty nice start. He also inherited his fathers connections in politics and private industry. This guy was born on third base and now wants to take credit for hitting a triple.
GMAB

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