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Oct 4, 2012 09:41:58   #
wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma
 
Kit Lens wrote:
Over the past several months I did figure out one thing about the candidates and the most disturbing wasn't that I didn't like romney, it was that Romney doesn't like me.
I'm one of those takers. After working only 55 years, I began claiming social security. So now, I'm a 47%'r. He doesn't consider me a job creator but my taxes & expenditures support the police, fire department, sanitation department, public works department, the Lawn Doctor guy, UPS, the Post Office, my local repair shop, grocery store and restaurant to name a few. Yet Romney/Ryan don't like me because I don't own a small business or better yet a large corporation.
So in the end, why put someone in the White House who is looking at me as a leech.
No thanks guys. I'll stick with Obama.
Over the past several months I did figure out one ... (show quote)


Do you really think Barry Hussein likes you or even gives a rats patoot...

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Oct 4, 2012 09:49:59   #
Kit Lens
 
Whether he actually likes me or not is inconsequential. At least, he's been there, done that. He came up from nothing and became President. Mitt Romney was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and never struggled or had to make due.
Romney and Ryan have made no secret of their disdain for those that accept anything from the government, even when earned. (Oh with one exception - Tax shelters and deductions for the Rich). so if you get a couple of thousand dollars a month from SSI, you're a taker. If you accept a million dollars for your corporation from the feds, you're a job creator.
No thanks Mitt. I've heard enough.

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Oct 4, 2012 09:53:25   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
Kit Lens wrote:
Whether he actually likes me or not is inconsequential. At least, he's been there, done that. He came up from nothing and became President. Mitt Romney was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and never struggled or had to make due.
Romney and Ryan have made no secret of their disdain for those that accept anything from the government, even when earned. (Oh with one exception - Tax shelters and deductions for the Rich). so if you get a couple of thousand dollars a month from SSI, you're a taker. If you accept a million dollars for your corporation from the feds, you're a job creator.
No thanks Mitt. I've heard enough.
Whether he actually likes me or not is inconsequen... (show quote)


Give it a rest Kit Lens, that is not what Romney was talking about when he made those statements, he was talking about voter demographics and who would or would not be likely to vote for him especially when it comes to his tax policy... Those not paying any taxes have little interest in tax reform, his statement was that simple, it had nothing to do with not caring about their well being.

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Oct 4, 2012 10:10:32   #
dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida
 
Kit Lens wrote:
I watched the debate and it was actually quite boring. The results on this board are pretty much what I expected. The Romney supporters think he won and the Obama supporters think he won. Personally I don't think there was a clear cut winner and when that happens it's usually in the incumbents favor.
The NY Times (yes I know that's a curse word in some of your houses) did an excellent fact check this morning. You may want to take a look:

http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/debates/presidential/2012-10-03#fact-checks
I watched the debate and it was actually quite bor... (show quote)


Depends on what is winning... Romney won the debate via aggression and continutalk technique of the republican talking techniques ,,, much like playing a digerdo. constant exhaling. It is difficult to debate when you are using facts and not changing your tune to please; an obama constraint. My Xwife had the same arguing techniques as Republicans/Romney.. me a scientific tech person had problems replying to her arguments lacking consistency and reason and correct history... aggah... people are gullible and will eat up and forget Romney's previous comments. Oh well at 76.5 years old, I will rush any repairs to my bod before I am culled out as being nonproductive.

Romney's previous comments about "American workers on level playing field with the rest of the world" bother me... lower wages, cut benefits, increase hours, cut safety, pollute etc... uh ha not good???

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Oct 4, 2012 10:12:37   #
Mattie
 
Kit Lens wrote:
Whether he actually likes me or not is inconsequential. At least, he's been there, done that. He came up from nothing and became President. Mitt Romney was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and never struggled or had to make due.
Romney and Ryan have made no secret of their disdain for those that accept anything from the government, even when earned. (Oh with one exception - Tax shelters and deductions for the Rich). so if you get a couple of thousand dollars a month from SSI, you're a taker. If you accept a million dollars for your corporation from the feds, you're a job creator.
No thanks Mitt. I've heard enough.
Whether he actually likes me or not is inconsequen... (show quote)

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One thing for sure.. Romney did NOT inherit ANY money from his parents.. THEY GAVE IT AWAY... Those Romney kids had to make it on their own... so Romney was not given money by his parents... he earned it... the hard way... People are jealous of his abilities... most of all Obama. Since you love to defend Obama so greatly, why not ask him to 'unseal' his college papers, tell you who paid his way through college.. and show his college grades... Both Obama and Michelle have sealed their college papers... try and find 'em unsealed...... wanna bet I'm right?? Also ask why he has two birth certificates... one from Hawaii... and one from Kenya? That one in Kenya.. even has his foot print on it like all birth certificates have... Tell me I'm wrong now...

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Oct 4, 2012 10:14:58   #
dragonfist Loc: Stafford, N.Y.
 
wilpharm wrote:
Kit Lens wrote:
Over the past several months I did figure out one thing about the candidates and the most disturbing wasn't that I didn't like romney, it was that Romney doesn't like me.
I'm one of those takers. After working only 55 years, I began claiming social security. So now, I'm a 47%'r. He doesn't consider me a job creator but my taxes & expenditures support the police, fire department, sanitation department, public works department, the Lawn Doctor guy, UPS, the Post Office, my local repair shop, grocery store and restaurant to name a few. Yet Romney/Ryan don't like me because I don't own a small business or better yet a large corporation.
So in the end, why put someone in the White House who is looking at me as a leech.


No thanks guys. I'll stick with Obama.
Over the past several months I did figure out one ... (show quote)



Do you really think Barry Hussein likes you or even gives a rats patoot...
quote=Kit Lens Over the past several months I did... (show quote)


Romney tries too hard to give the impression he gives a crap about the average person. He can't even relate to our problems or lifestyle. We all know that so he should quit trying to act like he does. I am not saying that President Obama is everybody's buddy but at least he and his wife can relate to the problems of the common man a lot better than Mr. Romney ever will. The only thing Mr. Romney ever had to worry about at dinner time was whether the fillet mignon was cooked to his taste and not whether there would even be enough to feed the family. I am not saying that is wrong, he was born into wealth but he can not even begin to relate to the common mans problems. I fear he will pander to the wishes of his rich friends and forget about the majority of folk that put him in office should he win.

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Oct 4, 2012 10:20:26   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
dpullum wrote:
Kit Lens wrote:
I watched the debate and it was actually quite boring. The results on this board are pretty much what I expected. The Romney supporters think he won and the Obama supporters think he won. Personally I don't think there was a clear cut winner and when that happens it's usually in the incumbents favor.
The NY Times (yes I know that's a curse word in some of your houses) did an excellent fact check this morning. You may want to take a look:

http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/debates/presidential/2012-10-03#fact-checks
I watched the debate and it was actually quite bor... (show quote)


Depends on what is winning... Romney won the debate via aggression and continutalk technique of the republican talking techniques ,,, much like playing a digerdo. constant exhaling. It is difficult to debate when you are using facts and not changing your tune to please; an obama constraint. My Xwife had the same arguing techniques as Republicans/Romney.. me a scientific tech person had problems replying to her arguments lacking consistency and reason and correct history... aggah... people are gullible and will eat up and forget Romney's previous comments. Oh well at 76.5 years old, I will rush any repairs to my bod before I am culled out as being nonproductive.

Romney's previous comments about "American workers on level playing field with the rest of the world" bother me... lower wages, cut benefits, increase hours, cut safety, pollute etc... uh ha not good???
quote=Kit Lens I watched the debate and it was ac... (show quote)


It's amusing to watch liberals concede to their worst fears... This is just what the president's campaign has been about for the last 2 years.... How does it feel to be played like a violin?

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Oct 4, 2012 10:27:00   #
Mattie
 
dragonfist wrote:
wilpharm wrote:
Kit Lens wrote:
Over the past several months I did figure out one thing about the candidates and the most disturbing wasn't that I didn't like romney, it was that Romney doesn't like me.
I'm one of those takers. After working only 55 years, I began claiming social security. So now, I'm a 47%'r. He doesn't consider me a job creator but my taxes & expenditures support the police, fire department, sanitation department, public works department, the Lawn Doctor guy, UPS, the Post Office, my local repair shop, grocery store and restaurant to name a few. Yet Romney/Ryan don't like me because I don't own a small business or better yet a large corporation.
So in the end, why put someone in the White House who is looking at me as a leech.


No thanks guys. I'll stick with Obama.
Over the past several months I did figure out one ... (show quote)



Do you really think Barry Hussein likes you or even gives a rats patoot...
quote=Kit Lens Over the past several months I did... (show quote)


Romney tries too hard to give the impression he gives a crap about the average person. He can't even relate to our problems or lifestyle. We all know that so he should quit trying to act like he does. I am not saying that President Obama is everybody's buddy but at least he and his wife can relate to the problems of the common man a lot better than Mr. Romney ever will. The only thing Mr. Romney ever had to worry about at dinner time was whether the fillet mignon was cooked to his taste and not whether there would even be enough to feed the family. I am not saying that is wrong, he was born into wealth but he can not even begin to relate to the common mans problems. I fear he will pander to the wishes of his rich friends and forget about the majority of folk that put him in office should he win.
quote=wilpharm quote=Kit Lens Over the past seve... (show quote)

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Uummm.. Filet you say... sounds good to me... but Michelle and Obama feast on Lobster and Obama on steaks...often.... they live a lavish lifestyle.... when one can run up a 1.4 BILLION bill for running the white house... 102,000 to take care of their doggie.. I would say, they have more cents than BRAINS... mainly cause its not their money.. but YOURS and MINE.. and I resent the MINE he is using.. But since you dont care how much he runs through of YOUR money... wish him well... when he's booted from Office... wanna bet he becomes stingy when he has to live on his RICH retirement from the Govt....

The Romney's have NO maid, or housekeeper either... betcha didn't know that .....

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Oct 4, 2012 10:31:37   #
Richard94611 Loc: Oakland, CA
 
Terry, it is great to hear some common sense being expressed here, but just sad that it has to come from someone out of this country. The folks favoring Romney do not seem to understand or are unwilling to accept the facts you have written. I don't know what is wrong with their thought processes, but they just don't seem to want to accept these facts.


terry1938 wrote:
I am fascinated by the attitudes of USA citizens on the Obama-Romney debate. Firstly, the USA would not be in the frightful financial mess it is if George Bush was elected President for two terms and financed wars on credit. Dont blame Obama for that.
Secondly, the GFC was largely due to the largely deregulated activities of the finance sector, the deregulation being introduced by the Republican administration. Dont blame Obama for that.
When Clinton left office, the US economy was stable and debt was under control. Bush and his cronies plundered this legacy. How can a country pay off its debts without a fair taxation system which involves ALL sectors of society. From my reading of Romney's fiscal policy, the repayment of the USA's debt seems to take second place to his placating vested interests in society.
This is a recipe for disaster. I thank God that I live in Australia, but am terrified of the impact that a future Republican administration will have on western democracies throughout the world.
I am fascinated by the attitudes of USA citizens o... (show quote)

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Oct 4, 2012 10:40:51   #
pipesgt Loc: Central Florida
 
Romney kicked-ass last night. Obamalamadingdong didn't have his TOTUS with him. :thumbup:

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Oct 4, 2012 10:44:02   #
Hunter Lou 1947 Loc: Minnesota
 
Kit Lens wrote:
Over the past several months I did figure out one thing about the candidates and the most disturbing wasn't that I didn't like romney, it was that Romney doesn't like me.
I'm one of those takers. After working only 55 years, I began claiming social security. So now, I'm a 47%'r. He doesn't consider me a job creator but my taxes & expenditures support the police, fire department, sanitation department, public works department, the Lawn Doctor guy, UPS, the Post Office, my local repair shop, grocery store and restaurant to name a few. Yet Romney/Ryan don't like me because I don't own a small business or better yet a large corporation.
So in the end, why put someone in the White House who is looking at me as a leech.
No thanks guys. I'll stick with Obama.
Over the past several months I did figure out one ... (show quote)


Yea, you 47% people we had better go to the polls. I'm on S.S. and my wife still works so we are in a higher income bracket where I pay a portion of my S.S. I'm no leech or a person called a looser or a taker. I've paid my fair share of taxes over the years and I served my country under a draft order during the Viet Nam war. Romney choose to avoid his service obligation and sit and relax at some religious school. Using that to keep him out of the military. I resent the idea that Romney calls us folks who are in the 47% free loaders, takers or leeches. One who advocates that type of thinking has no business being the president of these United States. Come on you takers, keep the President on the job for another four years. I'm proud to be a liberal also.

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Oct 4, 2012 10:46:45   #
jvance Loc: Granbury, Texas
 
Richard94611 wrote:
Just finished watching Romney and Obama in the debate. Romney was much smoother than I have ever before seen him -- but still lying and trying to sell snake oil deceptively.

For instance, let's look at his statement that he won't raise taxes. One of his oft-repeated goals, he has said repeatedly in past months, is that he will achieve his financial goals "without raising taxes." He has also stated that he will achieve much of this by closing "loopholes," and one of the loopholes he intends to close is the household mortgage interest deduction.

Well, now, let's look at the math. If you are buying a house and paying $1,000/month in interest, which is a low amount here in California, that means you no longer get to deduct 12 x 1,000 from your income. Let us assume you stay within the 15% tax bracket on your earnings. Fifteen percent of $12,000 is $1,800, which is the additional amount you will have to pay on your income tax. No, Romney won't raise taxes. He will achieve the same thing by not allowing you deductions you have had for years, and effectively by making you pay more.

Romney is a snake oil salesman.
Just finished watching Romney and Obama in the deb... (show quote)


Ya right your in Ca. the people who are selling themselves down to river, by electing people like Brown, you bet i'll take your judgement LOL

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Oct 4, 2012 10:47:16   #
HEART Loc: God's Country - COLORADO
 
tom kf4wol wrote:
Losers can never understand when the more skilled and prepared win!


:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Oct 4, 2012 10:47:19   #
Hunter Lou 1947 Loc: Minnesota
 
dragonfist wrote:
wilpharm wrote:
Kit Lens wrote:
Over the past several months I did figure out one thing about the candidates and the most disturbing wasn't that I didn't like romney, it was that Romney doesn't like me.
I'm one of those takers. After working only 55 years, I began claiming social security. So now, I'm a 47%'r. He doesn't consider me a job creator but my taxes & expenditures support the police, fire department, sanitation department, public works department, the Lawn Doctor guy, UPS, the Post Office, my local repair shop, grocery store and restaurant to name a few. Yet Romney/Ryan don't like me because I don't own a small business or better yet a large corporation.
So in the end, why put someone in the White House who is looking at me as a leech.


No thanks guys. I'll stick with Obama.
Over the past several months I did figure out one ... (show quote)



Do you really think Barry Hussein likes you or even gives a rats patoot...
quote=Kit Lens Over the past several months I did... (show quote)


Romney tries too hard to give the impression he gives a crap about the average person. He can't even relate to our problems or lifestyle. We all know that so he should quit trying to act like he does. I am not saying that President Obama is everybody's buddy but at least he and his wife can relate to the problems of the common man a lot better than Mr. Romney ever will. The only thing Mr. Romney ever had to worry about at dinner time was whether the fillet mignon was cooked to his taste and not whether there would even be enough to feed the family. I am not saying that is wrong, he was born into wealth but he can not even begin to relate to the common mans problems. I fear he will pander to the wishes of his rich friends and forget about the majority of folk that put him in office should he win.
quote=wilpharm quote=Kit Lens Over the past seve... (show quote)


Yea, he's sold his sole to the far right extreme, the Tea Party Express. last night he tried to come to the center of his proposed policies and it just isn't going to fly with us free loaders.

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Oct 4, 2012 10:49:02   #
Mattie
 
Hunter Lou 1947 wrote:
Kit Lens wrote:
Over the past several months I did figure out one thing about the candidates and the most disturbing wasn't that I didn't like romney, it was that Romney doesn't like me.
I'm one of those takers. After working only 55 years, I began claiming social security. So now, I'm a 47%'r. He doesn't consider me a job creator but my taxes & expenditures support the police, fire department, sanitation department, public works department, the Lawn Doctor guy, UPS, the Post Office, my local repair shop, grocery store and restaurant to name a few. Yet Romney/Ryan don't like me because I don't own a small business or better yet a large corporation.
So in the end, why put someone in the White House who is looking at me as a leech.
No thanks guys. I'll stick with Obama.
Over the past several months I did figure out one ... (show quote)


Yea, you 47% people we had better go to the polls. I'm on S.S. and my wife still works so we are in a higher income bracket where I pay a portion of my S.S. I'm no leech or a person called a looser or a taker. I've paid my fair share of taxes over the years and I served my country under a draft order during the Viet Nam war. Romney choose to avoid his service obligation and sit and relax at some religious school. Using that to keep him out of the military. I resent the idea that Romney calls us folks who are in the 47% free loaders, takers or leeches. One who advocates that type of thinking has no business being the president of these United States. Come on you takers, keep the President on the job for another four years. I'm proud to be a liberal also.
quote=Kit Lens Over the past several months I did... (show quote)


You mentioned Romney skipping out on the Military... what, pray tell, do you think Obama was doing.. selling incense to the rich? He acts like he is so in love with the Military.. but why did he not see those Military men got their voting papers in time to for in Nov... Oh I see why, cause he knows they normally vote Republican... therefore none of them will be able to vote for Romney... awwww... Obama's mindset never ceases to amaze me... he's one step ahead of everyone when it comes to things he wants..

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