Romney's Attempt to Sell Snake Oil (Page 12): Do you mean to tell me that an article in The National Review is objective. It was much more so when that glib propagandist William...

Richard94611 Loc: Oakland, CA

Do you mean to tell me that an article in The National Review is objective. It was much more so when that glib propagandist William Buckley was at the helm, but it isn't now.

Richard94611 Loc: Oakland, CA

Hey, folks, let's go back to what that idiot stated in this forum earlier today, that Obama had never had a job. I didn't hear any of you correcting him. So much for your collective regard for truth.

From the latest issue of The New Yorker, in an article by Chrystia Freeland called "Super Rich Irony," subtitled "Why Do Billionaires Feel Victimized by Obama ?" ( Oct 8, 2012, p 44-p 51) we have a list of jobs or work that Obama has held: business researcher, community organizer, law professor, attorney with a law firm, Illinois State Legislator, and U.S. Senator. Sounds like a lot of work to me. If you want the details about each job, you can go do your own research about them. In case you didn't know, The New Yorker is notorious for the way every sentence in the magazine is subjected to careful fact checking.

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

Richard94611 wrote:

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Yes, I was just reading about Obama's legal career, not nearly as profitable for his friends as was his state senate career... but just let me share some of what I was reading....

There was indeed "something more" to Obama's legal career, but it wasn't civil rights litigation at the Chicago law firm of Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland, where he was employed for a decade.

"He spent about half his time working with Bill Miceli and my former partner, Allison Davis, and that team," senior partner Judson Miner told The Washington Examiner. Most of the entries on Obama's client list for the firm from that period were in real estate, construction and finance.

Miceli and Davis were the partners in charge of the firm's housing and real estate practices. Davis would later leave the firm to join Obama mentor Tony Rezko in the real estate development business.

In March 1994, a year before "Dreams" was published, Obama was the lead defense attorney on an obscure case in Cook County Court that has heretofore escaped examination by the national media.

In this case, Obama defended a Chicago slumlord and powerful political ally who was charged with a long list of offenses against poor residents. The defendant was the Woodlawn Preservation & Investment Corp., controlled by Bishop Arthur Brazier, a South Side Chicago preacher and political operator.

Brazier's burgeoning real estate empire included a low-income housing project at 6223 South University. Today, MapQuest describes the Woodlawn neighborhood as "quaint and sedate." But in the winter of 1994, it was a frigid hell.

Brazier was closely allied with Obama and his firm, not least because Davis was on WPIC's Board of Directors. Davis was also the corporation's registered agent, and he received the court summons when the city filed suit on the South University apartments.

Brazier's WPIC had failed for nearly a month to supply heat and running water for the complex's 15 crumbling apartments. On Jan. 18, 1994, the day the heat went off, Chicago's official high temperature was 11 below zero, the day after it was 19 below.

Even worse, the residents were then ordered to leave the WPIC complex in the winter chill without the due process they would have been afforded by an eviction procedure.

In court documents reviewed by The Washington Examiner, Daniel W. Weil, commissioner of Chicago's Buildings Department, slammed WPIC for multiple municipal code violations, including "failure to maintain adequate heat," failure "to provide every family unit with approved heating facilities," and "failure to provide adequate" supplies of either hot or cold running water.

Things were so bad that the city's outraged corporation counsel declared that "the levying of a fine is not an adequate remedy" and asked the court for a permanent injunction against WPIC, appointment of a receiver and imposition of a lien on WPIC to pay for repairs, attorneys' fees and court costs.

But Obama did his work so well that in the end, on March 3, 1994, the court simply fined WPIC $50. Only then did Obama tell the court of the forcible removal of tenants in the bitter cold.

An experienced Chicago housing attorney who reviewed the case at the Examiner's request said $50 fines against politically powerful slumlords were not uncommon at that time. The lawyer, who currently works for the city, asked to remain anonymous for fear of reprisal.

The attorney termed the forcible removal of the residents in the frigid Chicago winter "outrageous," and said it looked like "a way to avoid a lengthy eviction process by law. And if the tenants had leases, they should have been bought out with a cash payment in return for leaving the premises early."

The South University apartments eventually became part of a real estate syndication deal that Obama helped negotiate. Brazier remained as the controlling general partner, while the syndicated investors became limited partners.

The merging of Brazier's insider contacts and influence with the limited partners' financial resources enabled them to benefit collectively from bigger, more profitable deals than they would have each been able to do individually.

A Chicago housing expert with direct knowledge of WPIC's real estate dealings told the Examiner that the syndication deal involving the apartments likely was being negotiated when the building lost heat.

"The property was one of five or six that was bundled together into a partnership and syndicated with tax credits," he said. It was a "prelude to being put into the partnership, which it ultimately was for purposes of the refinancing and syndication."

The WPIC case illustrates how Obama functioned at the center of a historic accommodation then developing between the Daley machine and its traditional opponents among the city's liberal reformers.

Lubricating the deal was a flood of public and nonprofit federal and state tax credits and funding for low-income-housing projects that would enrich developers and empower ambitious politicians like Obama, at the expense of taxpayers and, especially, the poor.

Brazier was not merely an Obama legal client. A disciple of Chicago's famous radical activist Saul Alinsky, Brazier was also a close political ally of Daley's and one of the key movers and shakers among the city's progressive political elite who in the years ahead would advance Obama at every turn.

Obama also did legal work involved in the establishment of four Brazier-Rezko limited partnerships: Woodlawn Partners Ltd., Central Woodlawn Partnership, KRMB Limited Partnership and Woodlawn Drexel Ltd. Partnership. Rezko is now serving a 10-year federal prison sentence for fraud and attempted bribery on state government contracts.

The former Obama firm still represents WPIC, as well as Brazier's church, the Apostolic Church of God, and his Fund for Community Redevelopment and Revitalization. Brazier's son now oversees the properties.

As Brazier clung to life in 2010 in a Chicago hospital, Obama called him from the White House for what relatives described as an extremely tearful farewell.

Richard94611 Loc: Oakland, CA

BlurrryEyed, we know all about this from you because you posted more or less the same message previously. I was responding to the factually incorrect statement that Obama had never worked or had a job before becoming President. You are supporting my statement that he has had quite a number. Whether or not you approve of everything he did is not relevant here. Why don't you ride herd on your lying companions who distort the facts ?

singleviking Loc: Lake Sebu Eco Park, Philippines

1. The universal health care program that Romney put through in Mass was base on Obamacare.

2. Since when do decent and honest people keep their money in accounts in the Caiman Islands?

3. I don't think Romney has twisted his beliefs at all. After all, he has squeezed out a fortune from companies that have suffered the conseqiences of his choices. His motto should be "GREED IS GOOD".

4. You should read the section in Wikipedia about "BAIN CAPITAL". While Romney was off doing his thing in Salt Lake City on the olympics program, his cronies were bilking a fortune from deal making and repackaging the deals to sell to others.

5. Since when can you backdate your retirement and get full pay for the period you were out of work doing whatever? That's 10 years.

Hunter Lou 1947 Loc: Minnesota

George H wrote:

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I know one thing; I'm not racial biased.

Richard94611 Loc: Oakland, CA

Facts, facts, facts. They do get in the way when one is a blithering idiot, don't they. Glad to have you contributing facts and sanity to this discussion.

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singleviking Loc: Lake Sebu Eco Park, Philippines

Richard,
I'm not saying everything has gone well during the past administration, but at least it hasn't gotten us into another war front or supporting another hostile regime somewhere in the middle east.
All of the loans to the auto industry have been repaid.
Most of the loans to the banks have been repaid.
And the situation with SOLINDRA was due to cheaper solar panels being manufactured in China, but now even they are cutting back production and closing plants. Solar power, without a significant tax rebate or federal grants to the home owner, is out of the normal homeowner's budget. And without any grant money other than to businesses, it will fail for the average consumer. Average cost for a simple solar power system is $40,000.

Garloo Loc: Waterford MI

Did you hear Al Gore's reason why Obama did so poorly?
He stated that poor Obama didn't get in to Denver until around 2PM the afternoon of the debate and that it takes a while for the mind and body to adjust to the 5000 foot elevation. SERIOUSLY.... Are you FRICKIN kidding me.
They have stooped to all time lows covering for this Clown.

gmcase Loc: Galt's Gulch

Garloo wrote:

Did you hear Al Gore's reason why Obama did so poorly?
He stated that poor Obama didn't get in to Denver until around 2PM the afternoon of the debate and that it takes a while for the mind and body to adjust to the 5000 foot elevation. SERIOUSLY.... Are you FRICKIN kidding me.
They have stooped to all time lows covering for this Clown.

I was kidding when on an earlier post I said it must have been the altitude then I just saw that Algore actually said it. I rolled on the floor laughing. What amazes me is that anybody lends any credence to what that buffoon says. Total charlatan.

Richard94611 Loc: Oakland, CA

I am certainly not saying that everything has gone well during the past 4 years, either. But the misrepresentations of the people in this forum who favor Ro0mnery are so immense and so striking that they have to be answered. Usually I have other things of greater importance to do than note and correct them. I just happen to have a few days off right now.

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singleviking Loc: Lake Sebu Eco Park, Philippines

I think both sides have put forth political FAIRYTALES, but some of out right misrepresentations of facts that have been presented here are slanderous.
We had a good shot at being solvent during the Clinton years if things kept going but with the advent of 2 wars and the banking catastrophy when Glass-Steigle was revoked, we were bound for disaster and fiscal catastrophy. All this was done during the Bush administration. So how has Obama been responcible? All funds expended had to be passed by the house and the senate. The president has no authority to spend money willy-nilly.
And if Romney cuts taxes across the board by 20% and then revokes the mortgage interest deduction, it won't effect those who bought their homes with cash.
And who in their right mind would cut funding for SESAME STREET? Unless he intends to fund Equestrian sports instead under federal dollars. Horse shit!!!!!

Bangee5 Loc: Louisiana

Richard94611 wrote:

I am certainly not saying that everything has gone well during the past 4 years, either. But the misrepresentations of the people in this forum who favor Ro0mnery are so immense and so striking that they have to be answered. Usually I have other things of greater importance to do than note and correct them. I just happen to have a few days off right now.

Is it Romney you are having a problem with or is it the people of this forum. Of what importance are you that we need your correction? There are other forums that might need or even welcome you but we here can surely do without you.

singleviking Loc: Lake Sebu Eco Park, Philippines

Bangee5
[Is it Romney you are having a problem with or is it the people of this forum. Of what importance are you that we need your correction? There are other forums that might need or even welcome you but we here can surely do without you.] quote.

Since when does a FORUM have only one view point? I guess you enjoy COMMUNISM or a DICTATORSHIP. Who died and left you boss BANSHEE5?
I personally welcome other viewpoints but only when they are based on true facts and not political rhetoric.

Richard94611 Loc: Oakland, CA

I am here, Bangee, so get used to it. Now and then, as I see lies and misrepresentations posted by people, I shall correct them. It's an amusement for me. Don't worry, though the conservatives' lies and misrepresentations here are as numerous as as raindrops in a thunder shower, I won't spent an outlandish amount of time correcting them. I have other more important things to do.

I guess you didn't like that correction I made when that fool stated that Obama had never held a job or worked, did you ?

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