MrBob
Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama
Of course he did in a manner of speaking.... What do you think he was doing all night dodging and burning ? What he was doing was attempting to get his captures to look the way he wanted them to look. No, he was not dealing with the level of our current RAW capabilities, but you can bet your sweet bippy he would have loved to have had Lightroom or Photoshop.
I have found the people who attack JPG have a need to fix the pictures they take
Gene51
Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
Picture Taker wrote:
RAW is used to fix bad pictures
That's not the only use of
raw. FWIW, raw is a word not an acronym, and only those less informed refer to it as RAW. Yes, you sometimes can fix a poorly exposed image, and you can sometimes fix a poorly composed image. But it is not a panacea.
julian.gang wrote:
I don't think so, so for right now I'll stick with JPEG!...Julian
You don't know what you are talking about. Ansel Adams was a pioneer when it comes to editing photos. He used every means of editing to enhance his photos. Get his books and you'll see how much went into editing his pictures. All his famous pics were heavily edited in post. There is no doubt in my mind that if he were with us today, he'd be the first to use RAW technology and he'd be editing the crap out of his photos with Adobe's LR and Photoshop and other apps. No doubt at all!
MrBob
Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama
Picture Taker wrote:
I have found the people who attack JPG have a need to fix the pictures they take
Well, since I am already here I myself will get in the mix.... No One should attack anyone for the choices they make in format or techniques. We all do what suits our creative impulses and capabilities. Do your OWN thing and if you DON't want criticism, which you will prob. get, don't bother to post ! A peeper will find a pebble in the corner of the frame that bothers him/her.
Gene51
Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
Picture Taker wrote:
I have found the people who attack JPG have a need to fix the pictures they take
Now you are being silly. No one really attacks jpeg, at least not the way you are trying to mischaracterize raw workflows. Jpeg is still a final output format for most images. No reason to attack it. Starting with an unprocessed raw file gives you more options and flexibility. Yes you can fix stuff, but you can also have more control over contrast and dynamic range.
One of my favorite quotes from Ansel Adams, “Dodging and burning are steps to take care of mistakes God made in establishing tonal relationships.”
Below is a famous example of a before and after "fixing" of a photograph . . .
I have to ask - do you actually use a camera? I'd love to see some of your work . . .
If you are getting the photos you want without using raw (whichever case of the word, I've seen both used by influentials), and you don't like spending that extra time in front of the computer the choice is clear. Others prefer the longer path to results they crave. My oldest friend and a fine photographer prefers to shoot raw. IMO our results are comparable. Makes no nevermind to me how he shoots. What irks me is the true believers, missionaries of either choice that want to convert the rest of the world.
If you took slides in the old days you could not fix them. The had to be cropped properly, focused properly and timing and f stop properly. It also took a week to se if you did it properly. You learned to take a picture correctly.
When I started ASA (nowISO) was 10. I was stationed in Libya making about $150.00 a month as a sergeant and paying a half a buck every time I went CLICK. I took 10+ days to see if my 36 pictures came out at $18,00 a round.
You learned to take pictures properly at 20% of your months salary.
PS Just going after the people who think RAW is the only thing to use. Happen to use JPG a lot as I tend to shoot HDR most of the time and find Photomatix and my JPG works well.
If Ansel Adams was the photographer worthy of that name, he'd do a better job Straight Out Of Camera like a Real Photographer.
CHG_CANON wrote:
If Ansel Adams was the photographer worthy of that name, he'd do a better job Straight Out Of Camera like a Real Photographer.
A perfect illustration of my point, should have known I could count on you. Surprised you couldn't think of a way to plug your favorite camera brand at the same time.
Picture Taker wrote:
If you took slides in the old days you could not fix them. The had to be cropped properly, focused properly and timing and f stop properly. It also took a week to se if you did it properly. You learned to take a picture correctly.
When I started ASA (nowISO) was 10. I was stationed in Libya making about $150.00 a month as a sergeant and paying a half a buck every time I went CLICK. I took 10+ days to see if my 36 pictures came out at $18,00 a round.
You learned to take pictures properly at 20% of your months salary.
PS Just going after the people who think RAW is the only thing to use. Happen to use JPG a lot as I tend to shoot HDR most of the time and find Photomatix and my JPG works well.
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Use whatever method trips your breaker.
Hard to say, but
he was also a rational man. His development from a large format cameras to 6 x 6 cm Hasselblad looks to me like he was always trying to get the image he would be satisfied with - that is with the tools giving him those results he expected.
I only guess that - when the technology is available, he would - at least try it out?
So, he would definitely start with the RAW filing system and decide whether JPEG is easier to achieve the desired image later?
The satisfying image was his the goal - and has been for all of us, too.
New Year's cheers!
"Longshadow" I do and you enjoy you photos too.
Ansel Adams was a leader in nature photography and used what was available at that time. I believe saw and captured great pictures. In todays photo technology world he would be an outstanding photographer and have different (and better) tools to work with.
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