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Oct 17, 2020 09:07:55   #
julian.gang
 
Real photographers use any camera, I like that quote!!...Julian

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Oct 17, 2020 09:15:57   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
User ID wrote:
Uh huh. Phone pix are nearly 100% hardware and nearly zero technique. Most phones offer the user no control over the camera ... unless one thinks that aiming is a technique.


Playing devil's advocate, isn't aiming a technique in a way? We call it composition and it is truly a big part of photography.

Dennis

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Oct 17, 2020 09:20:43   #
Jimmy T Loc: Virginia
 
Jimmy T wrote:
EXACTLY!!!
Nostalgia is great, but I have no desire to return to the days of sending off the film on Monday after a weekend of shooting to the mail-order lab.
Having them cut the film through my best shot and send it back to me in ten+ days.
By then I had forgotten what my settings were on my SRT 101.
Since I am red-green colorblind and not a naturally gifted photog, I rely on technology to help me to achieve acceptable (to me) pics.
I embrace technology and I use it.
Technology makes me . . .
Smile,
JimmyT Sends

PS: Sorry for the rant, but it does make me feel better, grin.
EXACTLY!!! br Nostalgia is great, but I have no de... (show quote)


Not to be argumentative but . . . .
What am I supposed to do with the once-in-a-lifetime pics that I took in London and France?
Some pics were taken on a Hop-On, Hop-Off bus after a rain storm with dingy skies,
with depth of field or focus problems. Or maybe they just needed croping.
Not to mention myself in the same setence as Mr. A. Adams, but he also did a lot of post work.
Smile,
JimmyT Sends

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Oct 17, 2020 09:25:52   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
If Ansel Adams was the photographer worthy of that name, he'd do a better job Straight Out Of Camera like a Real Photographer.

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Oct 17, 2020 09:27:54   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
larryepage wrote:
But that is the point. Just about every feature you can think of associated uniquely with digital photography is really little more than a crutch, splint, or brace to allow capturing images without having to do the work. Very little of merit is captured today that was not captured somewhere along the way in the days of film. It's just that no longer do you have to have skill, patience, and persistence to do it. Just turn a couple of dials, set to continuous release, and press the shutter release. Anyone can do it now.
But that is the point. Just about every feature y... (show quote)


Anyone now can produce a decent photograph, probably easier than the film days. But great photographs are not so easy to make. I spent the majority of my career shooting film. To produce great photos with digital you still have to master exposure, focus, composition, timing, lighting. When I went to digital I had to learn a new set of skills using a computer and software instead of the darkroom. But I can do things with digital that I never could have done with film. Creating great images takes a lot of work, whether film or digital.

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Oct 17, 2020 09:29:19   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
larryepage wrote:
Given today's advances in gear, usable results are much more achievable without worrying about technique. For instance, 98% of folks here seem to believe that VR/IS/whatever is the most important thing in photography. With today's VR, who thinks they need to worry about proper technique for holding a camera and releasing the shutter?


IS is a godsend.
Many here have proper technique but due to injuries or other things that is not enough.
Also a godsend to lower light shooting without a tripod.

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Oct 17, 2020 09:29:34   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
If we ever get to the point where AI enables us to take technically perfect photos and produce technically perfect edited images from them, we will still have the difference between good and bad photographers. The difference between a good and a bad photographer goes waaaaaay beyond how technically good their photos are.

And the good photographers know that nobody can take that away from them.

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Oct 17, 2020 09:36:00   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
Here we go again with irrelevant arguments and going way off-topic and not addressing the OP's question. Just reverting to the same old worn-out, hackneyed old "this vs. that" quibbling and sidestepping the issue at hand.

So...the OP complains that there is a lack of technique or technical discussion and everything is about gear. So let's go to the dictionary and look up "Technique":

technique
[tekˈnēk]
NOUN
a way of carrying out a particular task, especially the execution or performance of an artistic work or a scientific procedure.
"new surgical techniques mean a shorter hospital stay" · [more]
skill or ability in a particular field.
"he has excellent technique" · [more]
synonyms:
skill · skillfulness · ability · capability · proficiency · expertise · expertness · mastery · talent · genius · artistry · art · craftsmanship · craft · aptitude · adroitness · [more]
a skillful or efficient way of doing or achieving something.
"tape recording is a good technique for evaluating our own communications"
synonyms:
method · approach · procedure · process · system · method of working · MO · operating procedure · course of action · plan of action · plan of attack · way ·

So again it about how to do things- methodologies, and perhaps what I like to call "nuts and bolts"!
How to do things in a basic and efficient way that works.

Good technique in photography can be applied to any aspect of the art or science of photograhy. Technique can be applied to any and all kinds of photography, from completely realistic, to abstract, to to utter fantasy. Technical mastery can be applied to precise replication of a scene, object or person or all kinds of fakery- FACT or FICTIO, just like in literature, film-making, and all the other arts.The product is up to the artist, technician, camera operator, or whatever you want to call yourself or want to be.

"Good technique" does no dictate whether an image comes "streigh out of the camera" or is manipulated to the enth degree. The end product is what counts. if it is good, the right technique was applied and it is poorly crafted, the technique was badly applied or something was overly appled or ommited.

Some folk go on endlesslyabout all kinds of philosophical concepts, argue endlessly that one approach is better than another, and continuously refer to their favorite iconic photographer t obolster the arguments BUT the haven't yet learned to operate the camera rpropery as yet, and/or see and utilize light, and effectively compose an image in the viewfinder. TECHNIQUE!

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Oct 17, 2020 09:38:53   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
SteveR wrote:
Years ago, technique of various kinds was a big part of the discussions in this section. Now it seems it's all about equipment, software or problems relating to the two.


Yes and no. We still have questions about technique and how to do something, although maybe not as much as before. When technology comes charging at us, it's hard not to get involved.

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Oct 17, 2020 09:40:42   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Without the best tools, we're only as good as everyone else.

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Oct 17, 2020 09:46:39   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
Here we go again with irrelevant arguments and going way off-topic and not addressing the OP's question. Just reverting to the same old worn-out, hackneyed old "this vs. that" quibbling and sidestepping the issue at hand.

So...the OP complains that there is a lack of technique or technical discussion and everything is about gear. So let's go to the dictionary and look up "Technique":

technique
[tekˈnēk]
NOUN
a way of carrying out a particular task, especially the execution or performance of an artistic work or a scientific procedure.
"new surgical techniques mean a shorter hospital stay" · [more]
skill or ability in a particular field.
"he has excellent technique" · [more]
synonyms:
skill · skillfulness · ability · capability · proficiency · expertise · expertness · mastery · talent · genius · artistry · art · craftsmanship · craft · aptitude · adroitness · [more]
a skillful or efficient way of doing or achieving something.
"tape recording is a good technique for evaluating our own communications"
synonyms:
method · approach · procedure · process · system · method of working · MO · operating procedure · course of action · plan of action · plan of attack · way ·

So again it about how to do things- methodologies, and perhaps what I like to call "nuts and bolts"!
How to do things in a basic and efficient way that works.

Good technique in photography can be applied to any aspect of the art or science of photograhy. Technique can be applied to any and all kinds of photography, from completely realistic, to abstract, to to utter fantasy. Technical mastery can be applied to precise replication of a scene, object or person or all kinds of fakery- FACT or FICTIO, just like in literature, film-making, and all the other arts.The product is up to the artist, technician, camera operator, or whatever you want to call yourself or want to be.

"Good technique" does no dictate whether an image comes "streigh out of the camera" or is manipulated to the enth degree. The end product is what counts. if it is good, the right technique was applied and it is poorly crafted, the technique was badly applied or something was overly appled or ommited.

Some folk go on endlesslyabout all kinds of philosophical concepts, argue endlessly that one approach is better than another, and continuously refer to their favorite iconic photographer t obolster the arguments BUT the haven't yet learned to operate the camera rpropery as yet, and/or see and utilize light, and effectively compose an image in the viewfinder. TECHNIQUE!
Here we go again with irrelevant arguments and goi... (show quote)


You just went on endlessly with who shot john as well.

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Oct 17, 2020 09:47:45   #
srt101fan
 
Jimmy T wrote:
EXACTLY!!!
Nostalgia is great, but I have no desire to return to the days of sending off the film on Monday after a weekend of shooting to the mail-order lab.
Having them cut the film through my best shot and send it back to me in ten+ days.
By then I had forgotten what my settings were on my SRT 101.
Since I am red-green colorblind and not a naturally gifted photog, I rely on technology to help me to achieve acceptable (to me) pics.
I embrace technology and I use it.
Technology makes me . . .
Smile,
JimmyT Sends

PS: Sorry for the rant, but it does make me feel better, grin.
EXACTLY!!! br Nostalgia is great, but I have no de... (show quote)


Since you shot with an SRT-101 you are clearly a wise man and an outstanding photographer! ..... 😉

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Oct 17, 2020 09:48:28   #
wingclui44 Loc: CT USA
 
Strodav wrote:
I wish we could talk more about technique. I believe photography is 80% knowledge / technique and 20% equipment. Just look at some of the award winning cell phone camera images.


You don't need knowledge/technique, the camera will take care everything for you, all you need is a pair of good eye to compose!

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Oct 17, 2020 09:48:39   #
gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast
 
I agree. The trend seems to be to rely on PP to correct faulty technique. Instead, we should all be striving to get the best photo straight out of the camera (SOOC). Then PP can be used to refine the image for impact or to even change it entirely from the original. But there should always be a relative goal for PP, not just fixing mistakes.

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Oct 17, 2020 09:50:30   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
If you want to be a better photographer, buy better equipment.

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