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Oct 17, 2020 17:30:25   #
DocDav Loc: IN
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Those mirrors are the chains holding back our photography.


OK. Almost spit my coffee out my nose on that one.

Thanks!

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Oct 17, 2020 18:06:25   #
John Hicks Loc: Sible Hedinham North Essex England
 
I cannot see that DSLR held back photography what do ever, I enjoyed using my DSLR when I had it it was only a bad knee and old age made me change to a mirrorless camera by I still us my ef and efs lenses with an adaptor on my mirrored camera.

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Oct 17, 2020 20:04:39   #
sodapop Loc: Bel Air, MD
 
Reminds me of the old song "Sometimes I feel like a mirrorless child"

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Oct 17, 2020 22:12:58   #
hookedupin2005 Loc: Northwestern New Mexico
 
Spirit Vision Photography wrote:
I personally don’t see how newer technology makes us better photographers.


The newer technology gives us better tools to work with, in order to grow our individual skills.

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Oct 17, 2020 22:45:15   #
ricardo00
 
ralphhipps wrote:
I'm no pro, for sure. I must be missing something, wondering why you say the D850 gets 4x the number shots, both are 45 MP and support two slots. Or maybe you are referring to battery life?


Yes I am referring to battery life. The new Z7II is rated at 360 shots on a single fully charged battery when using the EVF versus 1840 shots on a D850 with a fully charged battery. So for me, I would have to add a power battery pack with an extra battery for my photo outings, not sure how much this would weigh but this adds to the weight of a mirrorless.

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Oct 17, 2020 23:27:16   #
ralphhipps
 
sodapop wrote:
Reminds me of the old song "Sometimes I feel like a mirrorless child"



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Oct 17, 2020 23:28:44   #
ralphhipps
 
ricardo00 wrote:
Yes I am referring to battery life. The new Z7II is rated at 360 shots on a single fully charged battery when using the EVF versus 1840 shots on a D850 with a fully charged battery. So for me, I would have to add a power battery pack with an extra battery for my photo outings, not sure how much this would weigh but this adds to the weight of a mirrorless.


got it, thanks!

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Oct 19, 2020 12:01:50   #
Imagemine Loc: St. Louis USA
 
JD750 wrote:
I think it is not so much holding us back but rather holding up the development of digital cameras.

Digital is new sensor tech and finally it has shed the constraints imposed by using SLR technology. Now digital cameras can evolve on their own into new systems with new formats and features.

This is normal for a new technology.
For example, the first cars used horse and carriage technology because that’s what they had. But later the car evolved into something completely different with no constraints from the horse carriage days.

The first transistor was packaged in a glass tube with the air evacuated. Because that’s the package technology that was available. And so on.

As to how the new technology is used, that’s up to us.
I think it is not so much holding us back but rath... (show quote)
I shoot film , a dslr & mirrorless so I think all the different devices have their own ups & downs all that said nothing can make you better it's the user's responsibility , light & composition still rule & of course imagination . That's why some people can take an image on a cell phone and wow the viewers because he or she knows the basics another person can use a very expensive camera & images aren't as dramatic because of lack of knowledge & effort so if this is your thing learn from the masters but don't copy them

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Oct 19, 2020 12:16:53   #
Imagemine Loc: St. Louis USA
 
quixdraw wrote:
Competence cannot be bought, it must be earned. Except for some specialist areas of interest, any name brand high end camera / lens combo will capture fine photos in the hands of a skilled operator. There was a practice in some film days seminars of sending everyone, participants and staff, out with a disposable film camera. Skilled photographers got good photos.


I totally agree with your statement

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Oct 19, 2020 12:58:36   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
Some time ago, perhas about a year, I dug out my old 4x5 press camera- Crude!? No automation of any kind, no previewing of anything when the camera was handheld and the ground glass back was not in use. My goodness- a WIRE sports finder! You could fame the image, set the exposure and the final results had to be previsualized in your HEAD! You couldn't forget to check out the rangefinder or set the parallax adjustment on the viewfinder sight or you could get out of focus images with decapitated subjects! You had to cock the shutter- pure torture!

Well- compared to my more computer-packed technological marvels (digital SLRs) even my Hasselblad medium format film gear looks like "Model T Fords"!

Back in the day when most modern cameras were kinda semi-automatic- like if your meter failed or your battery died, you could sill shoot manually. Nowadays, if anythg goes south, the entire thing is DEAD!

Sometimes it's hard for me to believe that I lugged around all that heavy, bulky and unsophisticated hardware and still managed to cover a 12-hour assignment The camera and onboard flas head weight in at 8 lbs, the flash's power supply a whopping 9 lbs. and a case full of film holders- probably 25 lbs with those awesome Graphmatics- 6 sheets each!

I had to set the exposure and decide if shutter speed or aperture was the priority for any given shot- I must have been a regular Einstein/bodybuilder!

Nowadays folks complain their DSLR is too heavy and it doesn't have enough gadgets.

My advice- enjoy the modern advancements, they can make life easier and make your photography better because you don't need to fumble with all kinds of unwieldy stuff and if you really know your theory, you can take full advantage of your gear and CONCENTRATE on your ART!

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Oct 19, 2020 14:49:47   #
Sinewsworn Loc: Port Orchard, WA
 
quixdraw wrote:
Hard won photographic skills or the "simple joys of technology". Just have to look in the mirror and decide.



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Oct 20, 2020 01:41:37   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
ricardo00 wrote:
Yes I am referring to battery life. The new Z7II is rated at 360 shots on a single fully charged battery when using the EVF versus 1840 shots on a D850 with a fully charged battery. So for me, I would have to add a power battery pack with an extra battery for my photo outings, not sure how much this would weigh but this adds to the weight of a mirrorless.


It is a know fact that mirrorless battery life is lower. However optimizing the settings can help a lot. Recall if you use the LCD all the time with you D850 it reduces the battery life as well? Same with mirrorless. You can turn off the LCD on the back. You can also turn off the Automatic file review. Those things will help. It will never be as good as a DSLR but it can be improved upon from the factory settings.

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Oct 20, 2020 23:28:01   #
topcat Loc: Alameda, CA
 
JD750 wrote:
I have been shooting digital with mirrorless cameras for quite a while. But my go to everyday camera, an OM-D EM5 mii, is back at Olympus for repair. 😭

So I pulled my DSLR out to use in the meantime. OMG 😳 it seems so crude!
First I can’t see the exposure, I can’t see light and shadow or the color that I am going to get. Then outside in daylight I can’t see the result. I had to move into shade to see the LCD screen.

Clearly the mirrorless saves me a lot of time in zeroing in on the desired exposure.

I used to shoot with a DSLR all the time and I loved it but it seems crude to me now.

By the way there is nothing wrong with shooting with a DSLR if that’s what you like. I’m just sharing my experience. YMMV.
I have been shooting digital with mirrorless camer... (show quote)



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Oct 21, 2020 07:40:13   #
BebuLamar
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
Some time ago, perhas about a year, I dug out my old 4x5 press camera- Crude!? No automation of any kind, no previewing of anything when the camera was handheld and the ground glass back was not in use. My goodness- a WIRE sports finder! You could fame the image, set the exposure and the final results had to be previsualized in your HEAD! You couldn't forget to check out the rangefinder or set the parallax adjustment on the viewfinder sight or you could get out of focus images with decapitated subjects! You had to cock the shutter- pure torture!

Well- compared to my more computer-packed technological marvels (digital SLRs) even my Hasselblad medium format film gear looks like "Model T Fords"!

Back in the day when most modern cameras were kinda semi-automatic- like if your meter failed or your battery died, you could sill shoot manually. Nowadays, if anythg goes south, the entire thing is DEAD!

Sometimes it's hard for me to believe that I lugged around all that heavy, bulky and unsophisticated hardware and still managed to cover a 12-hour assignment The camera and onboard flas head weight in at 8 lbs, the flash's power supply a whopping 9 lbs. and a case full of film holders- probably 25 lbs with those awesome Graphmatics- 6 sheets each!

I had to set the exposure and decide if shutter speed or aperture was the priority for any given shot- I must have been a regular Einstein/bodybuilder!

Nowadays folks complain their DSLR is too heavy and it doesn't have enough gadgets.

My advice- enjoy the modern advancements, they can make life easier and make your photography better because you don't need to fumble with all kinds of unwieldy stuff and if you really know your theory, you can take full advantage of your gear and CONCENTRATE on your ART!
Some time ago, perhas about a year, I dug out my o... (show quote)


My DSLR a Nikon Df which is my only DSLR. I have a D70s bought for $30 and a free D1x but those don't count as i didn't really pay much for them. I found the one aspect of my Nikon Df is that it's big but too light. It's bigger than my F3 but weighs only about the same. I prefer small but heavy camera. Holding the Nikon FM makes me feel much better.

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Oct 21, 2020 07:44:52   #
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Drbobcameraguy wrote:
EXACTLY. With the ability to see the final product before you press the shutter releade it makes it a no brainer to take a perfectly exposed pic. Skill? Only composition. Lmao


Mantra of the untalented but skilled previsualizer.

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