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Sep 16, 2020 08:03:40   #
Bison Bud
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
While the Sony is a great camera I get where the OP is coming from. I shoot a Sony RX10MIV and it’s superb for what it does, but I only shoot raw and definitely don’t love Sony’s jpegs. If you want to shoot jpegs go with Fuji or Nikon. Fuji and Nikon create the best looking jpegs I’ve seen. I don’t know the Fuji models, but it sounds like a Nikon Z50 with the two native lenses would cover pretty much everything you want. I shoot Sony, Panasonic and Nikon and they’re all great cameras but even the raw files from my D500 and Z7 just seem a cut above. The Z7 raw files blow me away and are so easy to work with.
While the Sony is a great camera I get where the O... (show quote)


While Jpeg output does vary from camera to camera due to the internal processing used, this "in camera" Jpeg processing can be customized to better suit your needs on most all digital cameras now available. However, if you only shoot RAW, then it really doesn't matter anyway.

In any case, I stand behind my previous statement that if a small size and excellent quality output are the highest priorities, then the Sony 1" sensor line of cameras is going to be a very good choice and hard to beat at any price. There simply isn't anything else that small with that kind of quality output out there at this time. The real decision that the OP needs to make is just how big of a system he can deal with to get what he really wants. Either way, I'd be holding onto to the Sony he already has if I were him. Good luck and good shooting to all.

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Sep 16, 2020 11:38:45   #
GrandmaG Loc: Flat Rock, MI
 
mcacm111 wrote:
Thank you so much to everyone for your advice. I will definitely take a look at Olympus more closely; but am right now leaning towards Fujifilm. The XT-3 price drop makes it especially tempting, especially with the 18-55 zoom. Will be doing some hands-on in NYC later this week. By "more dial controls" I mean I'd prefer more and larger physical dials - preferably on the top plate - than on my little Sony. But not so interested in touch screen controls.


In that case, the Fuji is perfect.

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Sep 16, 2020 12:42:33   #
WayneL Loc: Baltimore Md
 
mcacm111 wrote:
I would like to ask for advice on what camera to purchase next. Perhaps some background would help. Twenty years ago I sold my Nikon manual film SLR and began to use point-and-shoot digitals. My two most recent cameras were a Sony NEX-3, and, for the last 4-5 years, a Sony RX100 IV. The aim was minimal weight and bulk, with acceptable image quality; and I'm happy enough with the Sony's 24-70mm (35 mm equivalent) zoom range. I almost exclusively shoot jpegs, editing some of those. I take some issue with the color of the Sony's out-of-camera jpegs; have decided I want higher IQ and more dial controls; and am willing to accept somewhat more bulk and weight. Probably would only purchase a few lenses. Am considering the following cameras: Fujifilm XT-30 or possibly XT-3, Canon M6 II, Nikon Z50 (APS-C); or Canon RP, Nikon Z5, Sony A7 II (full frame). Would most likely start out with a modest zoom, and would like to initially stay closer to $1K than $2K if possible. Notice I'm looking for compactness within those categories; and wondering if I really need to go to full frame.

Any opinions would be most appreciated.
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I have Fuji, Canon and Nikon cameras and think that the Nikon Z50 2 lens kit is the best bang for the buck. The kit lenses are very good, mine cost me $1096. I like it more then my Canon M6 II

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Sep 17, 2020 10:29:22   #
rwm283main Loc: Terryville, CT
 
Mcacm111, lots of good advice to think about. But, ‘at the end of the day’ please let us know what you decided to buy, the reasons why and your first impression after getting a chance to use your new camera. Happy shooting.

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Sep 18, 2020 09:41:21   #
Ioannis
 
mcacm111 wrote:
I would like to ask for advice on what camera to purchase next. Perhaps some background would help. Twenty years ago I sold my Nikon manual film SLR and began to use point-and-shoot digitals. My two most recent cameras were a Sony NEX-3, and, for the last 4-5 years, a Sony RX100 IV. The aim was minimal weight and bulk, with acceptable image quality; and I'm happy enough with the Sony's 24-70mm (35 mm equivalent) zoom range. I almost exclusively shoot jpegs, editing some of those. I take some issue with the color of the Sony's out-of-camera jpegs; have decided I want higher IQ and more dial controls; and am willing to accept somewhat more bulk and weight. Probably would only purchase a few lenses. Am considering the following cameras: Fujifilm XT-30 or possibly XT-3, Canon M6 II, Nikon Z50 (APS-C); or Canon RP, Nikon Z5, Sony A7 II (full frame). Would most likely start out with a modest zoom, and would like to initially stay closer to $1K than $2K if possible. Notice I'm looking for compactness within those categories; and wondering if I really need to go to full frame.

Any opinions would be most appreciated.
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I have used canon cameras for many years. Before making your final decision read all of you can about Canon RP, it’s in your price range all though it has limited number of lens those are enough to cover most of your needs.

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Sep 18, 2020 10:03:55   #
digit-up Loc: Flushing, Michigan
 
Cany143 wrote:
You've included a whole lot of variables there, not the least of which is whether or not to go full frame. Though I have no experience with any of the Canons or Nikon Z's you mentioned, I do have experience with the Fuji's, and as a result, I'd recommend them very highly, not only for their compactness, but for their ease of operation (the logically placed, top mounted --almost 'old school'-- ISO and shutter speed dials (& etc), and their image IQ as well, even (or maybe especially) since you prefer shooting jpegs. Considering your price range, and the fact that you want to include a modest zoom of some sort, while either the XT-30, or the somewhat pricier XT-3 could certainly be possibilities, you might instead consider having very nearly the same capabilities of either of these by looking into a good used XT-2. Body and lens (maybe the very excellent XF 18-55 f2.8-4.0?) could come in under $1000, and would leave you room ($$$) to complete the kit by adding another lens or two.
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Yup,yup,&yup,Fuji is a winner, bodies and lenses.......... :....RJM

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Sep 18, 2020 11:43:47   #
DeanS Loc: Capital City area of North Carolina
 
Ioannis wrote:
I have used canon cameras for many years. Before making your final decision read all of you can about Canon RP, it’s in your price range all though it has limited number of lens those are enough to cover most of your needs.


I believe the RP will shoo all current EF and EFs Canon lens. Canon EFs lens will convert automatically to crop mode by the camera. Non-Canon lens, you have to manually set the camera to crop mode.

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Sep 18, 2020 12:58:39   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
mcacm111 wrote:
I would like to ask for advice on what camera to purchase next. Perhaps some background would help. Twenty years ago I sold my Nikon manual film SLR and began to use point-and-shoot digitals. My two most recent cameras were a Sony NEX-3, and, for the last 4-5 years, a Sony RX100 IV. The aim was minimal weight and bulk, with acceptable image quality; and I'm happy enough with the Sony's 24-70mm (35 mm equivalent) zoom range. I almost exclusively shoot jpegs, editing some of those. I take some issue with the color of the Sony's out-of-camera jpegs; have decided I want higher IQ and more dial controls; and am willing to accept somewhat more bulk and weight. Probably would only purchase a few lenses. Am considering the following cameras: Fujifilm XT-30 or possibly XT-3, Canon M6 II, Nikon Z50 (APS-C); or Canon RP, Nikon Z5, Sony A7 II (full frame). Would most likely start out with a modest zoom, and would like to initially stay closer to $1K than $2K if possible. Notice I'm looking for compactness within those categories; and wondering if I really need to go to full frame.
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Any of the listed cameras will offer an upgrade over the point 'n' shoot you're using now. They all offer at least APS-C size sensors, much bigger than the 1" sensor used in your RX100. That will make for better image quality, higher usable ISO (allowing shooting in lower light conditions) and more.

No, you don't need to go "full frame" unless you plan to make really large prints. APS-C crop cameras and their lenses are smaller, lighter, less expensive. And they are highly capable. You also will find it next to impossible to stay within your $2000 budget with a full frame camera. Even the least expensive ones on your list will cost at least $2000 or very near to it by the time you fit them with one basic lens. Keep in mind, to get your money's worth out of them, full frame cameras require full frame lenses, too... and those tend to be bigger, heavier and more expensive.

For all those reasons, I would recommend you narrow your list to APS-C format cameras (which can use both APS-C design and full frame lenses). An APS-C camera will be a solid upgrade from what you've been using, giving you ability to change lenses and more control making your images.

Personally I'm most familiar with the Canon systems. Those are what I use regularly. I try to keep up to date on what other manufacturers are offering, but it's not easy because there is such a wide array of possibilities.

Of the APS-C cameras you're considering, the Canon M6 Mark II has the highest resolution by far. In fact, with 32.5MP it even has higher resolution than any of the full frame cameras (Canon RP, Nikon Z5 and Sony A7II). This is a "double edged sword".... on the one hand, the resolution is great if/when you need to crop. But, on the other hand, it "demands" good lenses. Any lens flaws and shortcomings will be more obvious when a camera has super high resolution like this. There aren't a whole lot of lenses for the M6II, either. Canon themselves only makes eight, though most of them are up to the task of this high resolution camera (11-22mm zoom, 22mm prime, 28mm macro, 32mm f/1.4, 18-150mm, 55-200mm). Not long ago Sigma introduced three top quality primes for it, too. There are A LOT of manual focus/manual aperture lenses for it... some of which are quite good. There are also adapters that allow all Canon EF/EF-S lenses be used on it, as well as adapters for many vintage manual focus lenses. There also are supposedly some other autofocus lenses coming for it (Viltrox), but we've been waiting a year now and they still haven't appeared (but are avail. for Sony e-mount and Fuji X-mount). There may be an even more "pro" quality Canon M-series camera coming later this year. Rumors are that there's an M5 Mark II in the works (though it might be called something different). Basically, it will likely have the M6II innards, but with a built-in viewfinder and possibly some other interesting enhancements. The original M5, which I use personally, has more direct access to various image exposure, etc. controls than any of the other M-series cameras. Yet, it's very compact. (So much so I find it a bit difficult to work with, being accustomed to APS-C and full frame DSLRs.)

A Canon M6 Mark II with EF-M 18-150mm IS STM lens and EVF-DC2 viewfinder, as well as a few other accessories to get started, can be had for $1349 (https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1539209-REG/canon_eos_m6_mark_ii.html). There is also less expensive bundle with the smaller EF-M 15-45mm IS STM lens. But with the 32.5MP resolution of this camera, I'd recommend the EF-M 18-150mm instead. Add a Canon EF-M 11-22mm IS STM lens ($399) for a pretty versatile kit. Or, if you want to shoot low light or candid portraits, maybe an EF-M 32mm f/1.4 STM ($479) or Sigma 56mm f/1.4 DC DN ($449).

The Fuji X-mount system has many more native lenses available. I can't comment a great deal about it, having only used Fuji medium and large format film cameras and lenses many years ago. While much of it gets very good reviews, and I found their stuff to be quite high quality in the past, the X-system seems somewhat expensive to me. For example, the Fuji 23mm f/1.4 costs almost $900 and gets mostly so-so reviews. The Viltrox 23mm f/1.4 appears to be better built and produce better image quality, for more than $500 less.

The Nikon Z50 has very limited lenses. While there is a modest number of lenses for their full frame Z-series cameras, so far there is only one APS-C-specific Nikkor S lens (EDIT: Whoops, my mistake, there at two APS-C (DX) lenses for the Z50: 16-50mm and 50-250mm. $1197 for the bundle.) Yes, it can use all the Nikkor S and other lenses that are beginning to be made to fit the entire Z-series system. And it can use adapted F-mount (and other) lenses, to some extent. But it sort of defeats the purpose of buying a small camera to then fit it with larger full frame-capable lenses, esp. when it's an adapted full frame-capable DSLR lens.

If you like your Sony, you might be happiest with a recent Sony a6000-series model. Again, this isn't a system I know particularly well, but from what I've seen the latest of those have what some consider the best AF system of any mirrorless cameras. (Canon's recent models are pretty darned good, too... Their latest two full frame models are even considered equal to or better than Sony. I don't know how Fuji's AF compares, simply don't hear much about it one way or another. Nikon gets some negative reviews for their Z-series AF, but it might only matter when shooting fast action subjects such as sports or wildlife.) Sony has also appears to have figured out ways to get more shots out of their batteries.... Most mirrorless cameras are nowhere near as power efficient as DSLRs, so unless you only take a fairly limited number of shots per outing, you need more spare batteries with mirrorless.

I notice all the cameras you're considering are mirrorless, which I assume is so that you can keep things small and lightweight. While some here on UHH will consider it a bit heretical, I might suggest you not rule out a DSLR completely. They tend to cost quite a bit less than mirrorless, so you might get a lot more bang for your buck. APS-C DSLRs and their lenses can be reasonably compact too. In fact, Canon's Rebel SL3 camera rivals the size and weight of many mirrorless APS-C cameras. It's the smallest and lightest DSLR that anyone makes, and can be bought in kit with EF-S 18-55mm IS STM and EF-S 55-250mm IS STM lenses for $849. Yes, this somewhat entry-level camera has a pretty simplistic AF system. But other than that, the 24MP SL3 is actually surprisingly full featured. One of the biggest benefits is that it can directly use any of the 125 million+ Canon EF/EF-S lenses made the last 30 years. You have massive choice of lenses, including around 90 different ones currently being made by Canon themselves, as well as dozens more by third party manufacturers.

Even more advanced DSLRs may be affordable too. For example, the Canon 77D (24MP) is not a big, heavy camera and is available in kit with EF-S 18-135mm IS STM and EF-S 55-250mm IS STM lenses for $1252 (https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1329227-REG/canon_eos_77d_dslr_camera.html). Or the more robust and advanced EOS 90D (32.5MP, same as M6II) sells for $1549 with EF-S 18-135mm IS STM and EF-S 55-250mm lenses, or for $1599 with a faster focusing EF-S 18-135mm IS USM lens (https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1502489-REG/canon_3616c016_eos_90d_dslr_camera.html). Of course, both these Canon cameras can use all the same EF/EF-S mount lenses as mentioned above.

BUT... These are DSLRs! They ain't "mirrorless". And folks here will tell you "mirrorless are the future". Yeah, they probably are (at least until the "next great thing" comes along, whatever that may be). This year there probably will be just as many mirrorless cameras as DSLRs sold... Last year DSLRs only held a relatively slim margin (4.5 million DLSRs vs 4 million mirrorless sold). There are some cool things mirrorless can do, that DSLRs can't. But the opposite is true, too. And a DSLR bought today will be usable for many years... It ain't gonna quit working just because "mirrorless are the future".

Have fun shopping!

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Sep 18, 2020 14:36:58   #
PHRubin Loc: Nashville TN USA
 
amfoto1 wrote:
Any of the listed cameras will offer an upgrade over the point 'n' shoot you're using now. They all offer at least APS-C size sensors, much bigger than the 1" sensor used in your RX100. That will make for better image quality, higher usable ISO (allowing shooting in lower light conditions) and more.

No, you don't need to go "full frame" unless you plan to make really large prints. APS-C crop cameras and their lenses are smaller, lighter, less expensive. And they are highly capable. You also will find it next to impossible to stay within your $2000 budget with a full frame camera. Even the least expensive ones on your list will cost at least $2000 or very near to it by the time you fit them with one basic lens. Keep in mind, to get your money's worth out of them, full frame cameras require full frame lenses, too... and those tend to be bigger, heavier and more expensive.

For all those reasons, I would recommend you narrow your list to APS-C format cameras (which can use both APS-C design and full frame lenses). An APS-C camera will be a solid upgrade from what you've been using, giving you ability to change lenses and more control making your images. ...
Any of the listed cameras will offer an upgrade ov... (show quote)

I totally agree with the advantages of an APS-C camera, but the only quality improvement of significance for larger sensors of similar pixel count is the lower noise. But that should not be an issue if you don't need high ISO settings.

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Sep 18, 2020 19:19:12   #
domcomm Loc: Denver, CO
 
X-T3!!!

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Sep 18, 2020 21:44:43   #
Hip Coyote
 
I second the Olympus nomination. Mizee stole my thunder. There are M5mii's avail for less than 300 bucks. Can bet the system.

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Sep 20, 2020 11:55:11   #
Ioannis
 
digit-up wrote:
Yup,yup,&yup,Fuji is a winner, bodies and lenses.......... :....RJM


Before I purchased the Canon RP camera I spent some time reading comparison reviews with the Fuji X-t30 and I decided for many Yup-Yup reasons the RP is for me. I have enjoyed my other camera Canon 90D but I find the RP more suitable for me. I’m a firm believer in Canon cameras since my wife gave me one 25 years ago.

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