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Sep 15, 2020 14:07:03   #
GrandmaG Loc: Flat Rock, MI
 
mcacm111 wrote:
I would like to ask for advice on what camera to purchase next. Perhaps some background would help. Twenty years ago I sold my Nikon manual film SLR and began to use point-and-shoot digitals. My two most recent cameras were a Sony NEX-3, and, for the last 4-5 years, a Sony RX100 IV. The aim was minimal weight and bulk, with acceptable image quality; and I'm happy enough with the Sony's 24-70mm (35 mm equivalent) zoom range. I almost exclusively shoot jpegs, editing some of those. I take some issue with the color of the Sony's out-of-camera jpegs; have decided I want higher IQ and more dial controls; and am willing to accept somewhat more bulk and weight. Probably would only purchase a few lenses. Am considering the following cameras: Fujifilm XT-30 or possibly XT-3, Canon M6 II, Nikon Z50 (APS-C); or Canon RP, Nikon Z5, Sony A7 II (full frame). Would most likely start out with a modest zoom, and would like to initially stay closer to $1K than $2K if possible. Notice I'm looking for compactness within those categories; and wondering if I really need to go to full frame.

Any opinions would be most appreciated.
I would like to ask for advice on what camera to p... (show quote)


I agree with a lot of the responses you got about getting a Fuji since you want more dial controls. I just received a Fuji X-T 4 and 16-80 lens and I’m really enjoying the dials on top of the camera. I opted for the XT-4 rather than the XT-3 because of the frame rate and the fully articulated screen. I rarely take videos with my “stills” camera; but it is so simple to just flip a switch on the Fuji that I find myself doing more videos at family gatherings. I also love love love the color of the pictures I am getting. It’s $500 off at B&H. It’s a great deal! $1399 for XT-3 and 18-55 lens or $1499 for XT-3 and 16-80 lens BUT, they are all back ordered!!!

I waited a long time for my XT-4 but it was worth the wait. I also like 2 card slots. That is a must for me!! I plan on getting a prime lens for it, too so it’ll be either the 23mm or 35mm. I’m leaning towards the 35mm

Hope this helps

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Sep 15, 2020 14:11:56   #
azted Loc: Las Vegas, NV.
 
The OP is just in time! Sony announced the Sony A7C, a Full Frame sensor in the body of its APS-C line. It pairs this with a new lens, the FE 28-60mm F4-5.6. This combo is just what the poster is looking for, except for more external dials. But since the OP is already used to the Sony menu system, it is a win/win! I might be in the market for this myself!!!

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Sep 15, 2020 14:19:00   #
GrandmaG Loc: Flat Rock, MI
 
TommiRulz wrote:
Just a quick opinion.... I would stay away from Canon M - anything. Canon is not making quality lenses for these products. They are completely focused on their R products. I had two M cameras over the last couple years and got very frustrated with the lens situation. Canon just wants you to use your DSLR lenses (with an adaptor) - which defeats the purpose of the mirrorless to me.


I agree. I also read that Canon is eliminating the M line.

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Sep 15, 2020 15:06:06   #
maciej
 
All comments are useful and everyone has their favorites. Personally for full frame mirrorless I have been quite happy with the Canon R with its entry into both RF and EF lenses with the adapter.
For an APS-C camera I have used the Canon M5 for a number of years and it makes a nice light kit for travel and general use. The EF-M lenses are small and light and there is an adequate selection. You can also use all the EF lenses with an adapter.
Both have all the controls you need easily available and the Canon menu structure is well organized and easy to use.
I am sure there are other choices that will work just fine - Another input to consider.

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Sep 15, 2020 15:06:52   #
rebride
 
PHRubin wrote:
You already have modes P, A, S, and M. You also have exposure compensation. I'm sure you can control ISO, shutter speed and/or aperture, what more dial controls are you looking for?


Perhaps these?


(Download)

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Sep 15, 2020 16:44:48   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
mcacm111 wrote:
I would like to ask for advice on what camera to purchase next. Perhaps some background would help. Twenty years ago I sold my Nikon manual film SLR and began to use point-and-shoot digitals. My two most recent cameras were a Sony NEX-3, and, for the last 4-5 years, a Sony RX100 IV. The aim was minimal weight and bulk, with acceptable image quality; and I'm happy enough with the Sony's 24-70mm (35 mm equivalent) zoom range. I almost exclusively shoot jpegs, editing some of those. I take some issue with the color of the Sony's out-of-camera jpegs; have decided I want higher IQ and more dial controls; and am willing to accept somewhat more bulk and weight. Probably would only purchase a few lenses. Am considering the following cameras: Fujifilm XT-30 or possibly XT-3, Canon M6 II, Nikon Z50 (APS-C); or Canon RP, Nikon Z5, Sony A7 II (full frame). Would most likely start out with a modest zoom, and would like to initially stay closer to $1K than $2K if possible. Notice I'm looking for compactness within those categories; and wondering if I really need to go to full frame.

Any opinions would be most appreciated.
I would like to ask for advice on what camera to p... (show quote)


A mint in the box Sony a9 or a7rIII

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Sep 15, 2020 16:58:55   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
Bison Bud wrote:
If your looking for compact and high quality, I would have to think that the Sony RX100 IV you already have may be about as good as it gets without going to a much larger, full frame DLSR. Yeah, you can buy a camera with better specifications, but it's not going to be compact. Unfortunately, one has to give up something to keep the camera small and if that is a high priority, I think you've already made a wise choice with the Sony RX100 IV. Good luck and good shooting to all.


While the Sony is a great camera I get where the OP is coming from. I shoot a Sony RX10MIV and it’s superb for what it does, but I only shoot raw and definitely don’t love Sony’s jpegs. If you want to shoot jpegs go with Fuji or Nikon. Fuji and Nikon create the best looking jpegs I’ve seen. I don’t know the Fuji models, but it sounds like a Nikon Z50 with the two native lenses would cover pretty much everything you want. I shoot Sony, Panasonic and Nikon and they’re all great cameras but even the raw files from my D500 and Z7 just seem a cut above. The Z7 raw files blow me away and are so easy to work with.

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Sep 15, 2020 17:05:11   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
rebride wrote:
Perhaps these?


I think that the OP is going to have to provide insight into that. These controls are quite different from those on my D500 & D850. They, in turn, are very different from those on a D750 or D610, which are very different from those on a D5xxx or D3xxx. That's why, in the end, we can't choose for him, only offer suggestions.

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Sep 15, 2020 17:14:07   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
larryepage wrote:
I think that the OP is going to have to provide insight into that. These controls are quite different from those on my D500 & D850. They, in turn, are very different from those on a D750 or D610, which are very different from those on a D5xxx or D3xxx. That's why, in the end, we can't choose for him, only offer suggestions.


He will Larry. One nice thing about the Fuji is that the controls that one typically uses are separate and on top like a classic SLR he mentioned he used some time ago - you rarely need to access the menu.

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Sep 15, 2020 17:32:27   #
DeanS Loc: Capital City area of North Carolina
 
I’ll skip all the verbiage and go straight to couple recs, both Canon:

RP paired w/RF 24-105 F4
90D paired with Tammy 18-400 F3.5. A bit heavier but far more reach.

Good hunting!

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Sep 15, 2020 20:28:20   #
DeeRock Loc: Nebraska
 
mcacm111 wrote:
I would like to ask for advice on what camera to purchase next. Perhaps some background would help. Twenty years ago I sold my Nikon manual film SLR and began to use point-and-shoot digitals. My two most recent cameras were a Sony NEX-3, and, for the last 4-5 years, a Sony RX100 IV. The aim was minimal weight and bulk, with acceptable image quality; and I'm happy enough with the Sony's 24-70mm (35 mm equivalent) zoom range. I almost exclusively shoot jpegs, editing some of those. I take some issue with the color of the Sony's out-of-camera jpegs; have decided I want higher IQ and more dial controls; and am willing to accept somewhat more bulk and weight. Probably would only purchase a few lenses. Am considering the following cameras: Fujifilm XT-30 or possibly XT-3, Canon M6 II, Nikon Z50 (APS-C); or Canon RP, Nikon Z5, Sony A7 II (full frame). Would most likely start out with a modest zoom, and would like to initially stay closer to $1K than $2K if possible. Notice I'm looking for compactness within those categories; and wondering if I really need to go to full frame.

Any opinions would be most appreciated.
I would like to ask for advice on what camera to p... (show quote)


Sony just announced they are coming out with a compact full frame camera Sony a7C.

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Sep 15, 2020 21:46:45   #
Daryl New Loc: Wellington,New Zealand
 
Canon have a great range....

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Sep 16, 2020 00:09:34   #
mcacm111
 
mcacm111 wrote:
I would like to ask for advice on what camera to purchase next. Perhaps some background would help. Twenty years ago I sold my Nikon manual film SLR and began to use point-and-shoot digitals. My two most recent cameras were a Sony NEX-3, and, for the last 4-5 years, a Sony RX100 IV. The aim was minimal weight and bulk, with acceptable image quality; and I'm happy enough with the Sony's 24-70mm (35 mm equivalent) zoom range. I almost exclusively shoot jpegs, editing some of those. I take some issue with the color of the Sony's out-of-camera jpegs; have decided I want higher IQ and more dial controls; and am willing to accept somewhat more bulk and weight. Probably would only purchase a few lenses. Am considering the following cameras: Fujifilm XT-30 or possibly XT-3, Canon M6 II, Nikon Z50 (APS-C); or Canon RP, Nikon Z5, Sony A7 II (full frame). Would most likely start out with a modest zoom, and would like to initially stay closer to $1K than $2K if possible. Notice I'm looking for compactness within those categories; and wondering if I really need to go to full frame.

Any opinions would be most appreciated.
I would like to ask for advice on what camera to p... (show quote)


Thank you so much to everyone for your advice. I will definitely take a look at Olympus more closely; but am right now leaning towards Fujifilm. The XT-3 price drop makes it especially tempting, especially with the 18-55 zoom. Will be doing some hands-on in NYC later this week. By "more dial controls" I mean I'd prefer more and larger physical dials - preferably on the top plate - than on my little Sony. But not so interested in touch screen controls.

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Sep 16, 2020 00:16:48   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
DeeRock wrote:
Sony just announced they are coming out with a compact full frame camera Sony a7C.


It is a step in the right direction. But overall, the lenses will still be bigger and heavier than the APS-C and 4/3rds counterparts. It does appear they will be reducing the weight and size compared to older full frame lens designs. But they will have a hard time matching the weight and size of the APS-C and 4/3rds for same comparable f-stop / angle of view. This is why most of us are suggesting a greater size and weight drop for the OP. The new Sony is a great full frame system choice and will probably save weight and size over a standard full frame, but probably not nearly as much as going APS-C and 4/3rds.

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Sep 16, 2020 07:26:35   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
DeeRock wrote:
Sony just announced they are coming out with a compact full frame camera Sony a7C.


Extremely small as you might expect, I prefer the larger Sony FF camera's like the a9 and a7rIV with the vertical grip attached. I am 6 foot 3 inches and my hands have an issue with the smaller Sony camera's without the vertical grip attached.
BUT, that said this may make a great travel camera.
But my Sony HX99 has an attached 24-750 MM Zeiss lens that delivers beautiful 20X30 prints. And, at a price point that is hard to beat. Best travel compact camera ever.

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