Insp Gadget wrote:
I guess I'm confused as to why it matters how dangerous it to get a photo when reporting on a written story. The goal is to tell the story Right? Now live video might be a different ethics. For example., the fairly recent reporting on a hurricane where the reporter/meteorologist was struggling to stand while two people behind him were walking normally and carrying on a conversation. Not sure if this helps. I suppose what I'm saying is that it depends on what you are trying to portray.
I remember cases in which danger was implied or claimed, but later turned out not to be real. I don't remember the details, but there was a case involving a television journalist three or four years ago. Ended up costing him his position.
Perhaps you're referring to Geraldo Rivera's claim of being on the scene of a friendly fire incident in Afghanistan (2001). In reality, he was 300 miles from that location.
--Bob
larryepage wrote:
I remember cases in which danger was implied or claimed, but later turned out not to be real. I don't remember the details, but there was a case involving a
television journalist three or four years ago. Ended up costing him his position.
Mostly olay if you do not misrepresent yourself or the resulting image.. However, don't distort the facts.
The ethical questions you raise are significant. I wrestle with, I think, a bit less esoteric issue. I may be secure in the knowledge that I have a “legal” right to take a photo. But how do I measure whether the distribution of the photo may be an “abuse” of my right?
Taking pictures of children without consent of a parent. A picture of a dismembered body caused by an auto accident. I guess my dilemma really has less to do with “taking” the photo and more to do with whether the sharing of the photo might be an abuse. How would I feel if it was my child or my relative? How does one balance the”great photo” with the intrusion and emotional impact of offering publication of a fellow human. A mountain will not be “hurt” if a photo is taken. But does a photo of another person ever create an ethical dilemma regarding its publication?
Mu Dan wrote:
The ethical questions you raise are significant. I wrestle with, I think, a bit less esoteric issue. I may be secure in the knowledge that I have a “legal” right to take a photo. But how do I measure whether the distribution of the photo may be an “abuse” of my right?
Taking pictures of children without consent of a parent. A picture of a dismembered body caused by an auto accident. I guess my dilemma really has less to do with “taking” the photo and more to do with whether the sharing of the photo might be an abuse. How would I feel if it was my child or my relative? How does one balance the”great photo” with the intrusion and emotional impact of offering publication of a fellow human. A mountain will not be “hurt” if a photo is taken. But does a photo of another person ever create an ethical dilemma regarding its publication?
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Very interesting comments from a somewhat different perspective. Thank you.
Mu Dan wrote:
I may be secure in the knowledge that I have a “legal” right to take a photo. But how do I measure whether the distribution of the photo may be an “abuse” of my right?
Taking pictures of children without consent of a parent. A picture of a dismembered body caused by an auto accident. I guess my dilemma really has less to do with “taking” the photo and more to do with whether the sharing of the photo might be an abuse.
You have correctly, in my opinion, noted that the legality of something is not the end of it all. In fact, ethics really has to do with my own values and the values I want society to have.
But there is one more legal issues and distinction. Is the photo to be used as advertisement or for "editorial" purposes. Photos taken to support a photojournalism story, say of a bui9lding decaying with people in it, is editorial. That same photo print on the front of a news magazine is advertisement and not editorial. My understanding is that the editroial photos are covered under the First Amendment to the US Constituioon while the cover photo is not. But when teahcing this, it would be good to check with a lawyer.
User ID wrote:
1. If the photograph is to depict the size and nature of the crowd it doesn’t matter how it is accomplished if all methods give basically the same info and impression. The differences in “optical compression” need not falsify anything unless skillfully intentionally manipulated to deceive.
2. Technically the dynamic range ability of the photographic system forces a degree of “artistic interpretation” onto photos of weather and sky. Therefore all possible images are illustrations. The rendering that best supports the message of the reportage is the one to use. If the article warns to stock up your emergency shelter then the most threatening rendering is justified, etc etc.
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That is exactly what is wrong with the media. I don't want them to exaggerat things to try to get me to take action on whatever they for some reason decided I should spring into action on or for. Just the facts without the personal opinion or creative editing trying to get me to agree or disagree it purchase or protest. I'm well over a half century old. I prefer to make my decisions based on simple facts. Nowadays it's so hard to get this that a correct decision is very tuff to make. Just like the George fellow the police killed. What are the simple facts? Did he comply with police request? Did the police make request ? Did he have a history of criminal activity ? Did the officer have a history of discipline issues? Walter Cronkite is rolling in his grave next to Paul Harvey. The internet is no better. Ok I'm done sorry for the rant.
I agree that almost every news source seems to have an agenda that isn't focused on simply reporting a newsworthy event. The "reporters" are op-ed people, even when reporting the news.
--Bob
Drbobcameraguy wrote:
That is exactly what is wrong with the media. I don't want them to exaggerat things to try to get me to take action on whatever they for some reason decided I should spring into action on or for. Just the facts without the personal opinion or creative editing trying to get me to agree or disagree it purchase or protest. I'm well over a half century old. I prefer to make my decisions based on simple facts. Nowadays it's so hard to get this that a correct decision is very tuff to make. Just like the George fellow the police killed. What are the simple facts? Did he comply with police request? Did the police make request ? Did he have a history of criminal activity ? Did the officer have a history of discipline issues? Walter Cronkite is rolling in his grave next to Paul Harvey. The internet is no better. Ok I'm done sorry for the rant.
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larryepage wrote:
As I've commented a couple of places here, I will be teaching basic documentary photography, photographic editing, and journalistic photographic ethics to about 130 high school juniors during the first weeks of school as I substitute for a teacher who is having bilateral knee replacement. She is planning on my being there for two weeks of classes (a little longer than that on the calendar, including some days off)...I think it may be longer. The context is that these kids will be organized into 10-12 teams, and each team will producing an 8 page newspaper from scratch...researching, writing articles, editing, creating accompanying art work, typesetting, and publishing the paper. Actual printing will be done by a company that handles that function for several local newspapers.
The curriculum and specific basic course content is pretty closely defined, but there is always some time for discussion beyond these basics. I've known these kids for a couple of years and know that a key opportunity with them is going to be having a couple of really good sessions around ethics and integrity. Some of them understand those topics well, but for many of them, continuing to develop a stronger compass will be very important. We've been working on this for a year or so as I have opportunity to be with them, and while they continue to make good progress, their journey is not complete.
My preparations for this are nearing completion, but I'd like to give folks here an opportunity to be part of them. Realizing that most folks here consider themselves as artists rather than photojournalists, I'd like to get responses to a couple of questions to help as we discuss the finer points around making ethical photojournalistic discussions. Most of the discussion will be based around rules adopted by the Associated Press and the NPPA. We'll also look at National Geographic Society's rules. Here are a couple of discussion questions that I plan to use beyond that:
1. It is pretty clear that staging or framing or editing journalistic photographs in a way that distorts facts, like exaggerating or under-depicting crowd sizes, or recreating specific events differently from the way they actually occurred, or exaggerating the size of a fire, or relocating one of the pyramids is not OK. It's not like recreating exchanges of vows or the ring exchange after a wedding service. But the question is...how would you feel if you found that a photograph that seemed to indicate that the photographer was "in the middle of the action" was actually captured with a 600mm lens, perhaps with a teleconverter, while the photographer huddled safely at a distance?
2. Photographs of weather systems can be profoundly impacted by making relatively slight changes in exposure. Underexposing clouds by a single f/stop can, in some cases, change a few fair-weather cumulus clouds into threatening storm clouds. What is the harm in underexposing photographs intended to accompany a news story about a severe thunderstorm, since the ethics rules specifically allow lightening or darkening photographs?
OK. It's your turn now. Let's see what you think.
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Its a sad fact that in the end, everything is a business and money is king. That my friend is the enemy of ethics. The photographer may stick to the rules but there are other people to please. Even the editor may not have the final say when the need to sell arise. I have mentioned this in a previous post about editing -
https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-619848-1.html . The tools have made it too easy and operator skill allows it to pass as reality. Heck, even just the choice of lens can severely affect the outcome of an image making it biased in one way or another.
In a nutshell, it will always end up to intention. If we tell the news instead of keeping a business, it would be sweet. Still, we are refrained from showing too much gruesomeness, but what if that is the reality? why hide it? Ethics itself is not cut clear as day and that is another mountain to climb.
I think you might need to begin at even a more basic level: what is considered news, as opposed to opinion, polemics, etc. Fewer and fewer folks can knowledgeably make the distinction.
As a newspaper editor for some 30+ years, my bottom line is whether the image in question is an accurate representation of the scene. No matter if is a kindergarten class, a multi-vehicle pileup with bodies strewn about, a protest, whatever. A photograph captures one moment. The next moment might yield a photo that has a much different tone. Sometimes only the photographer knows which one is accurate, if either.
I don't have a problem with basic touch-ups. Spot removal. Slightly altering exposure and/or contrast, highlights, shadows, etc. (used to be called dodging and burning in film days) to bring the scene into synch with what the person might see if they were there. (Even the best cameras and lenses aren't quite as finely tuned as the human eye.)
Where it gets shaky is in overdoing it, either accidentally or intentionally. There was a magazine cover -- I forget which one -- with a photo of a famous black athlete (again, can't remember name) who I think had a somewhat controversial reputation. The shadows had been darkened to the point that he looked quite threatening, clearly darker than the person actually was. Whether by accident or intent, it lent the image a very menacing tone.
Clear-cut no-nos including deleting or inserting any person, animal or object into the image.
Softening the background is debatable. Our eyes don't have a depth-of-field control; when we look at something, it looks sharp (or should!!) and the stuff in the background and the periphery is not sharp. In a photograph, it depends on the settings. But these day, we can also alter DOF with post-processing controls so if there's something that contradicts the "message" of a photo, it can be blurred. Example: A photo of a Black Lives Matter parade with armed, uniformed white militia in the background. Expertly doctored, the tone of the photo could be altered considerably.
In addition to newspapering, I taught college classes in reporting, editing, law and ethics as an adjunct instructor at several different universities, so I know firsthand how hairsplitting some of this is. The fact that you are dealing with high school students is heartening. Perhaps we can help the next generation have a better understanding of responsible journalism, how to recognize it and how to do it!
Gallopingphotog wrote:
I think you might need to begin at even a more basic level: what is considered news, as opposed to opinion, polemics, etc. Fewer and fewer folks can knowledgeably make the distinction.
As a newspaper editor for some 30+ years, my bottom line is whether the image in question is an accurate representation of the scene. No matter if is a kindergarten class, a multi-vehicle pileup with bodies strewn about, a protest, whatever. A photograph captures one moment. The next moment might yield a photo that has a much different tone. Sometimes only the photographer knows which one is accurate, if either.
I don't have a problem with basic touch-ups. Spot removal. Slightly altering exposure and/or contrast, highlights, shadows, etc. (used to be called dodging and burning in film days) to bring the scene into synch with what the person might see if they were there. (Even the best cameras and lenses aren't quite as finely tuned as the human eye.)
Where it gets shaky is in overdoing it, either accidentally or intentionally. There was a magazine cover -- I forget which one -- with a photo of a famous black athlete (again, can't remember name) who I think had a somewhat controversial reputation. The shadows had been darkened to the point that he looked quite threatening, clearly darker than the person actually was. Whether by accident or intent, it lent the image a very menacing tone.
Clear-cut no-nos including deleting or inserting any person, animal or object into the image.
Softening the background is debatable. Our eyes don't have a depth-of-field control; when we look at something, it looks sharp (or should!!) and the stuff in the background and the periphery is not sharp. In a photograph, it depends on the settings. But these day, we can also alter DOF with post-processing controls so if there's something that contradicts the "message" of a photo, it can be blurred. Example: A photo of a Black Lives Matter parade with armed, uniformed white militia in the background. Expertly doctored, the tone of the photo could be altered considerably.
In addition to newspapering, I taught college classes in reporting, editing, law and ethics as an adjunct instructor at several different universities, so I know firsthand how hairsplitting some of this is. The fact that you are dealing with high school students is heartening. Perhaps we can help the next generation have a better understanding of responsible journalism, how to recognize it and how to do it!
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Thanks for your thoughtful reply. Thankfully, I will be part of a team of teachers in this adventure. The English teacher and the History teacher will have already introduced those basics, which, as you note, are critically important. My focus will coordinate with what they have taught, but will concentrate on issues like framing and editing. We are going to spend some time learning to edit photographs to that everyone (hopefully) will understand how easy it is to completely change the content and intent of a photograph after the fact. That makes things a little more manageable and somewhat less daunting. Based on my past experience with this project, most of the students will approach the assignment very conscientiously, with just a small handful perhaps trying to 'game' the system or make something pass as something that it is not. My goal is to at least lay a strong foundation for further learning, and at least developing something of a heart for doing the right thing.
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