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Jul 1, 2020 12:14:16   #
gwilliams6
 
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Jul 1, 2020 12:19:51   #
gwilliams6
 
DSLR vs Mirrorless cameras. How do they compare;
https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/features/dslr-vs-mirrorless-cameras-how-do-they-compare

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Jul 1, 2020 12:23:01   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
gwilliams6 wrote:
No DSLR can have mirrorless tech, I am sorry you are incorrect. DSLRs still have mirrors and no EVFs . DSLRs are NOT mirrorless cameras.


Have you seen the 90D?
EVF is not the "Tech" it is just a different viewfinder.
90D Live View and Video are the same as mirrorless tech.
The DPAF is the magic that bridges the two.
If you are another system user your comment is true.

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Jul 1, 2020 12:40:45   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
7207327689 wrote:
Which DSLR Camera would you buy, I am a beginner, and maybe you should choose one for lowest price for the money, next medium price, and highest price. Landscape and wildlife photography is what I want to start with, and if you think I should start with something else first then say so!! Debra


Hi Debra. Welcome to the forum, and, more importantly, welcome to the world of photography. I don't usually get involved in these discussions, since in my experience they are usually filled with lots of opinion and bad advice. There is certainly no guarantee that anything I might say is significantly any different, but I'll have a go at it anyway.

First off...disregard any comments around what "type" of photography you want to do. There are two reasons for this. The first is that in today's world, most cameras can handle most types of photography, especially as you are learning. The second is that it is very likely that as you learn just what a camera can do under your control, you are very likely to decide to try many genres beyond the one(s) that initially got you interested. So some level of flexibility and adaptability is desirable...don't lock yourself in to any one form.

Second...there is a big battle going on in society as a whole and on this forum between SLR and "mirrorless" cameras. I suggest that you ignore that battle altogether, although it is fine to have an awareness of the two technologies. Apparently, somewhere in the discussion it has been revealed that you are somewhere in the Denver area. If that is correct, a quick search just now revealed that there are at least four dedicated camera stores in your area. I suggest that you go and take a look at the variety of options are available. Look specifically at camera models just above the ones that you might be thinking about right now, even if for no reason than to understand what options you might be deciding to forego if you choose the more basic option.

Third...and I am prepared to get a bunch of pushback on this...you don't mention your budget, and it's none of my business anyway, but if you can afford it, and especially if you already feel that your interest in photography will be more than just a passing thing, I do not recommend that you consider any of the "entry level" cameras." I have worked with kids at school using these (Nikon D3xxx and D5xxx models), and they do a great job of capturing images. There is nothing wrong with them until you want to go beyond simple automatic shooting modes and start using some of the incredible advanced capabilities built in to today's cameras. They then can get incredibly awkward and can create disincentives to continued learning and development compared to more advanced models. This comment is based on experience, and I can discuss it in detail at more length via PM if you wish.

Fourth...there used to be some real image-related reasons to choose one brand of camera versus another. Some were better with photographs of people, others were better with photographs of flowers and landscapes. The differences were very real. As camera models have matured, and as more extensive controls have been implemented, especially on more advanced camera models, these reasons have diminished in importance. Nowadays, camera size and weight and (even more importantly) control layout have become much more important in selecting a camera brand. When I bought my first digital camera about 14 years ago, I went to my local camera store intent on buying one particular brand and model of camera. But when the sales person suggested that I should at least look at another option, I discovered that the camera I had intended to buy had what would have been for me a very serious control placement problem. I ended up choosing the other camera.

You need to know that I do not work for any camera manufacturers, nor for any camera vendors. I am a retired industrial engineer. It doesn't matter to me what camera you choose, except that I do have a vested interested interest as a fellow photographer that you are happy with your choice and that you use it.

Have fun deciding, then have fun shooting.

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Jul 1, 2020 12:47:58   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
7207327689 wrote:
Which DSLR Camera would you buy, I am a beginner, and maybe you should choose one for lowest price for the money, next medium price, and highest price. Landscape and wildlife photography is what I want to start with, and if you think I should start with something else first then say so!! Debra


Wildlife will optimally require a crop sensor APSC camera, Landscape will optimally require a full frame camera. Mirror less is the future so, optimally, that is where you should concentrate your search - IMO.
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Jul 1, 2020 12:54:01   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
Inadvertent and mysterious phantom post....

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Jul 1, 2020 13:11:36   #
PHRubin Loc: Nashville TN USA
 
From your question it seems you are set on either a DSLR. I own Canon so I'll give model advice on the brand I know.

Lowest price: T6 with 18-55; $399
Medium: T8i with 18-55: $899
High: 90D with 18-135; $1599 or High: 90D with 18-55 $1349

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Jul 1, 2020 13:52:25   #
Canisdirus
 
I'm a sony shooter, but no brand recommendation for someone starting out...
Look them all over.
Ignore the DSLR adherents...
All of the camera companies are going mirrorless...all of them.

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Jul 1, 2020 14:32:06   #
PHRubin Loc: Nashville TN USA
 
On second thought, let me say this:

There are 2 major makers of DSLRs that offer a huge selection of lenses, Canon and Nikon. It is important to chose between them carefully at the start, since you quickly accumulate brand specific accessories (lenses, strobe) making it harder to change. The best way to choose is to go to a store that has both on display. Hold them. Which feels better? Look at the menus. Which is easier to understand? Preferences are a personal decision.

To stretch your dollars I recommend reconditioned. Purchase from a reliable company; the manufacturer, Adorama, B&H, or KEH. For Canon
https://shop.usa.canon.com/shop/en/catalog/cameras/refurbished-eos-digital-slr-cameras?cm_mmc=GA-_-CameraGroup-_-140911Brand%20Paid%20Search-_-canon%20refurbished%20cameras&Ap=EOS%20Cameras&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI_ebegeLZ1wIVSY1-Ch1ReAWSEAAYASAAEgJahPD_BwE#

Beware of stores that don't make it obvious that they offer gray market items. If the price of a new camera is too good to be true, it isn't.

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Jul 1, 2020 19:39:08   #
xt2 Loc: British Columbia, Canada
 
7207327689 wrote:
Which DSLR Camera would you buy, I am a beginner, and maybe you should choose one for lowest price for the money, next medium price, and highest price. Landscape and wildlife photography is what I want to start with, and if you think I should start with something else first then say so!! Debra


Maybe go on-line and do some research on professional sites. Most of us are going to tell you what we have bought is the best...human nature.

Happy hunting!

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Jul 2, 2020 07:06:03   #
Cyber Digest
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
The EOS 8Ti is by far your best bet. If you go with the 18-55 kit, add the EF 70-300II and you'll be set.


Yes, T8i is my choice

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Jul 2, 2020 12:36:21   #
ABJanes Loc: Jersey Boy now Virginia
 
7207327689 wrote:
Which DSLR Camera would you buy, I am a beginner, and maybe you should choose one for lowest price for the money, next medium price, and highest price. Landscape and wildlife photography is what I want to start with, and if you think I should start with something else first then say so!! Debra


If your interests grow you will find a basic starter set wanting in short order. I would seriously consider a low mileage used Nikon D7200 with a Nikon 18-140MM f3.5-5.6. Bought separately $1K at KEH or Adorama. Not knowing your budget there are more considerations too. A tripod, carrying case--pack, educational material, software. Size, weight, comfort in your hands is very important to users. I like larger cameras others do not. Tony & Chelsea Northrup's Book "How to create stunning digital photography" is a great starting point before you buy any equipment. They have reviews and suggestions on how to buy equipment. A nice way to learn the basics. "Measure five times cut once, not literally but rather analytically" Do your homework, take your time......

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Jul 2, 2020 14:01:12   #
PHRubin Loc: Nashville TN USA
 
Although you said DSLR, the Canon M5 or M50 mirrorless might suit you

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Jul 3, 2020 06:44:46   #
WCS
 
Entry level DSLR cameras usually have a pentamirror viewfinder. If you go the a mid level or above DSLR you get a superior pentaprism viewfinder. The glass prism inside gives a larger, slight brighter view through the viewfinder. I would recommend a Nikon D7500 or D500.[/quote]

I think it depends on whether you want to 'point and shoot' to tell your story or get involved in 'the process' of creating your image. I got back into photography as I retired and have revisited all the controls and features of a good camera [vs a point and shoot]. I tried several used Nikons - 3200, 5500 and now I have settled on the D7000 that can use every Nikon lens from old manual film lens I had to current DX VR's. It's very entertaining for me. For $200, I'm into a very sophisticated piece of equipment! Good Luck!

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Jul 4, 2020 15:34:08   #
Photocraig
 
I think either an entry level Nikon or Canon DSLR will get you started. They each come with a "kit" lens of 18 mm to 55 mm. Also available with Canon is the excellent EF 70-300II telephoto zoom lens. I have that lens and it screams excellent picture quality for wildlife--even birds and sports. My son has the Nikon 3400 and it is excellent as well. Both kits are available in bundles at COSTCO at unbeatable prices. This is a way to get you started with the full range of creative photography for well under $1,000 for a 2-lens kit.

That being said, If I were to start all over again, I'd seriously look at Mirror less offerings specifically from either SONY or Fujifilm. They feature light weight bodies (but the entry level Nikons and Canons are close to or lighter). These makers have a 5-year head start on Nikon and Canon in the mirror less field, and each have a number of mid priced offerings. And with the new "L Mount alliance" (I think I've got that right,) the availability of excellent third party--other maker lenses for several mirror less camera lines makes these even better values.

The most important things to consider starting out is your Budget. Look at the cameras mentioned here and then set a Budget. Most of these cameras go on sale, are available at Costco, or are available from the Manufacturer in a refurbished state. That's a safe buy. It means the camera was returned and re-inspected and brought up to like new condition by the MANUFACTURER and carries the Manufacturer's warranted--for a FULL YEAR. I'd recommend this route to keep under budget without qualification.
For rookies, I do NOT recommend buying USED. There is no Warranty from the manufacturer, store warranties vary by the quality and mood of the store. And as a newbie, you're unlikely able to examine and diagnose a fault in the camera unless it is blatantly broken. No offense, these are complex machines and operator error can confuse a mew photographer long enough for the warranty to exp[re--and often does.

Specifications:
Minimum Resolution 20-24 Mega Pixels
Shutter Speed Minimum 1/4000
Aperture on the lenses Min. f3.5
Sensor Size APS_C

I always buy 2 32MB Flash Memory Cards (Usually SD)
I always buy an extra battery.
I Always buy a protection filter for each lens--only use them when I'm in bad conditions like blowing sand or similar conditions. I always buy a lens hood for my lenses--usually from Amazon--the third party hoods work well and are at a fraction of the Camera manufacturer's price. YES, the MUST match the lens--easy to do. You need a Blower Brush and cleaning cloth to keep the body and lenses clean. You need a bag, with padded dividers. I use a Think Tank Sling Bag. Love it. Lowe Pro is another good brand.

So the budget goes beyond just the camera. Most digital photographers use Image Processing software to complete the picture taking process. The software that comes with the camera can get you started. Beware--if you get serious, you will want more--so you'll need a PC or MAC available to you.

Your choice at the beginning dictates how your kit will grow over time. The manufacturers I've mentioned have very large and deep choices of camera bodies, lenses, and accessories that may become necessary or desirable in the future. For example, you may take a liking to flower photos and decide upon a special lens. You choices are great with these brands, including lenses from other vendors like Tamron, Sigma and others, both new, refurbished and USED can give you options to stay within a budget (growing at this point). That makes your spice NOW more far reaching that just what I like today. ALSO, staying with a major brand will make the equipment easier to sell for a beret price in the future should you choose to upgrade or change hobbies.

A camera is a personal choice. You will be holding it in YOUR hand. Putting up to YOUR face. Reading the dials, buttons and screen with YOUR eyes and manipulating the controls with YOUR fingers. In the past, I have rejected the purchase of two excellent cameras from MAJOR manufacturers because they weren't comfortable for ME to shoot with. SOOOOO, that means you GOTTA go to a STORE and handle them. Even if you need to drive a bit to so it. This too big a purchase to do without handling the product--trying it on--so to speak. Come back to us with your top choices and we'll help you some more, and tips on buying at he best place and price.

Take your time, stay under budget, because you'll need to buy more than just the camera and lens(es). Most importantly suit yourself.

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