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Dec 3, 2019 00:15:49   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
Gene51 wrote:
Until you need them.



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Dec 3, 2019 00:17:28   #
GreenDruid Loc: Toronto, Canada
 
Corel AfterShot Pro 3. Decent software.

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Dec 3, 2019 00:31:26   #
Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan
 
mwsilvers wrote:
I stopped using Adobe products over two years ago. I am not an Adobe fan boy, but just because they have a model that makes them lots of money through subscriptions doesn't make them the devil incarnate as some seem to think. Any publisher of a product that they acquire will attempt to leverage copyright protection to secure their investment, which seems very reasonable to me. That's what copyright's are all about. While it may also protect those with modest means that certainly wasn't the main intent. The reason Adobe is successful and make lots of cash is only because a lot of people seem to like what they offer and are willing to pay for it. There are a number a viable alternatives today depending on what one's goals are but Adobe is still the standard for many people. I'm not one of them.
I stopped using Adobe products over two years ago.... (show quote)


Thanks for the thoughtful response. I didn't think you were a fanboy of any kind. Your contributions here are stellar and you are a tremendous asset to the UHH community - fair and knowledgeable and generous. Nor do I think that Adobe is the "devil incarnate." There is a lot of ground between "hey they are making billions of dollars because of their wonderful product that everyone loves" on the one hand, and "devil incarnate" on the other. We have a minor disagreement here on this one narrow issue.

OK, back to the hyperbole. The Mafia had a business model that made them lots of money through "subscriptions," yes? People loved the protection and favors they got, and were happy to pay a small monthly amount for that. "Nice computer ya got there. It would be a shame if anything happened to it."

Yes, of course what Adobe is doing is completely logical and legal, and by the way, obscenely profitable. I am just pointing out that they are leveraging copyright law for a purpose that it was never intended to support. Copyrights were never intended to be commodities, investments. The original purpose of copyright law was to protect the little guy, the creator, the author, composer or inventor, who otherwise would have no chance of profiting from their creativity. More importantly, without such protections the larger society would be deprived of the benefits of their work.

Adobe did not create Photoshop. Their behavior suppresses innovation and market competition. It is simply not true that copyrights are "all about" return on investment, although the trend in modern times has been in that direction. Why is it going in that direction? Because wealthy players bribe politicians and politicians re-write copyright law to favor said wealthy players. But historically, as well as ethically and logically, the purpose of copyright law cannot be to promote "returns on investment" for those with the clout and money to snap up creative work and alter the legal and legislative framework to their advantage.

At my workplace we do a quaint thing. We grow food, specifically deciduous fruit. Candy is a lot more popular with the public, and the candy business is vastly more profitable than farming. Does that therefore mean that candy is the superior food product?

Mike

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Dec 3, 2019 00:36:12   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Too many people subscribe to software with features they don't need to impress people they don't like.

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Dec 3, 2019 00:40:27   #
Pixeldawg Loc: Suzhou, China
 
You know, I have been reading this thread and there has been a lot of hub-bub about Affinity on here, so this morning, I downloaded the ten day trial version, and honestly, I am kinda underwhelmed by it. Outside of basic editing, it doesn't really seem to do much. I suppose that's OK if that's all you need to do, but if you're doing more advanced work, it seems to fall short. I will play with it some more, but so far, it is a bit of a disappointment.

Mark Lent

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Dec 3, 2019 00:40:52   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
GreenDruid wrote:
Corel AfterShot Pro 3. Decent software.

Its OK.

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Dec 3, 2019 00:43:18   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
Pixeldawg wrote:
You know, I have been reading this thread and there has been a lot of hub-bub about Affinity on here, so this morning, I downloaded the ten day trial version, and honestly, I am kinda underwhelmed by it. Outside of basic editing, it doesn't really seem to do much. I suppose that's OK if that's all you need to do, but if you're doing more advanced work, it seems to fall short. I will play with it some more, but so far, it is a bit of a disappointment.

Mark Lent

I don't care for Affinity because of the severe limitations of the Develop Persona, but other than that its a pretty feature rich piece of software.

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Dec 3, 2019 00:50:16   #
Pixeldawg Loc: Suzhou, China
 
amfoto1 wrote:
The whiners are wrong... because Elements does do 16 bit processing.

https://community.adobe.com/t5/photoshop-elements/where-did-16-bit-go-in-pse-2020/td-p/10669653
PS is the Mack Daddy or all image editors, with "lite" RAW conversion and organizing capabilities.


I think I would have to disagree with the "Lite" RAW conversion when discussing Photoshop. PS allows a significant level of editing within the RAW converter plug-in and generally it is all I use outside of adjusting image size and saving the file in various formats. Also, and some of you I am sure are aware of this, some of you may not be... If you go into "filters" and look at the top of the menu, you can use a raw converter-like plug in for JPEG files. It won't allow all of the features, but when I need to edit a JPEG, I will typically go to it rather then fooling around with all of the individual filter settings. All in once place and similar to the RAW converter that I use for most of my work.

Mark Lent

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Dec 3, 2019 01:08:27   #
Pixeldawg Loc: Suzhou, China
 
blackest wrote:
The most recent software I bought is davinci resolve for $300 it used to cost $1000 it includes fairlight which used to sell for $25-30 thousand. Now each upgrade to davinci resolve has been free. Now they would like for you to buy hardware from them, their editing keyboard is $1000. It is professional software used in movies tv shows and tv stations. Mostly they want more skilled people which helps build their position in the industry. Oh and if you cant afford $300 there is a free version with most of the features of the studio version.

Other software i have bought include affinity photo designer and publisher. Each have been updated regularly for free.
The most recent software I bought is davinci resol... (show quote)


At my college, we have full-blown DaVinci suits, and it is nice, but not very photo-centric, which is what the discussion is here. Not video...

Mark Lent

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Dec 3, 2019 01:13:07   #
Pixeldawg Loc: Suzhou, China
 
Ysarex wrote:
You'd think then with the LR/PS combination being "best" it would be out there ahead of the competition especially when it comes to good old straight forward, nothing fancy, single photo edits.

Funny then how LR can't accomplish the edit below at all and Photoshop can't do it non-destructively. Just sayin'.

Joe

(For anybody who wants to prove that to themselves: https://www.dropbox.com/s/rsmhq001pugwitt/_DSF0600.RAF?dl=0).
You'd think then with the LR/PS combination being ... (show quote)


Would love to download this, but the link seems to be bad. May be the "Great Firewall" though. Still, this photo could easily be edited in Photoshop RAW with equally good results. No doubt in my mind.

Mark Lent

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Dec 3, 2019 01:20:51   #
Pixeldawg Loc: Suzhou, China
 
mwsilvers wrote:
I don't care for Affinity because of the severe limitations of the Develop Persona, but other than that its a pretty feature rich piece of software.


Maybe so, and I will play with it more fully before I decide if we can use it here at my school, but it seems to me that, as you have said here, the Persona thing is a bit strange. Plus, in looking through all of the menus, there's several things missing that I would want to have, specifically paths and clipping paths. Am I wrong about this?

Mark Lent

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Dec 3, 2019 01:24:57   #
Ysarex Loc: St. Louis
 
Pixeldawg wrote:
Would love to download this, but the link seems to be bad. May be the "Great Firewall" though. Still, this photo could easily be edited in Photoshop RAW with equally good results. No doubt in my mind.

Mark Lent


Just tested the link and it works fine -- trouble is on your end. If there's another way to get it to you I'll try.

No way you could do it in ACR for the same reason you can't do it in LR. There's some fairly detailed cloning/erasure work and the ACR/LR tools are not up to that task.

Joe

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Dec 3, 2019 01:33:58   #
greggall
 
Pixeldawg wrote:
You know, I have been reading this thread and there has been a lot of hub-bub about Affinity on here, so this morning, I downloaded the ten day trial version, and honestly, I am kinda underwhelmed by it. Outside of basic editing, it doesn't really seem to do much. I suppose that's OK if that's all you need to do, but if you're doing more advanced work, it seems to fall short. I will play with it some more, but so far, it is a bit of a disappointment.

Mark Lent



ML, I fully understand your thoughts, being that you are new to Affinity. I found that my knowledge of PS was a major stumbling block as i tried to force Affinity to behave the same. I don't think you can "play around" with Affinity to see if it has a similar framiliar function as PS, and then call the software "not able to do advanced work". It takes time and learning curve to realize that it will do everything and way more that PS will also do, with some amazing bells and whistles. (i.e. blazing speed workflow, selections and masking and many feature rich adjustments). So far, the only drawback I have found is its inability to batch catalog photos...but that is why I purchased Capture One which is a direct replacement for LR. I hope you stick with Affinity to learn the goods so we can all hear specific comparisons of features, or even 'how to' comments'. I myself still have a long way to go in learning the new software and so far I am really happy I made the switch. I'm a big fan, as are the 2,000,000 base users announced at their last conference. PS can't be happy about that and if there is a financial hit to Adobe, I bet we would see a change in the business model. Nothing wrong with a subscription if that suites your business needs, and also having a desktop product if that works out better. The problem for me was being forced to adopt Adobe's subscription business model. I prefer options.

PS is a super great tool too, and it is fully integrated into the commercial space as a standard. No company is going to dethrone PS unless the standards change.

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Dec 3, 2019 01:58:11   #
Ysarex Loc: St. Louis
 
Pixeldawg wrote:
Would love to download this, but the link seems to be bad. May be the "Great Firewall" though. Still, this photo could easily be edited in Photoshop RAW with equally good results. No doubt in my mind.

Mark Lent


Don't know if this will work better for you but here's a direct http link to the RAF file:

http://photojoes.net/_DSF0600.RAF

Joe

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Dec 3, 2019 02:49:15   #
GPS Phil Loc: Dayton Ohio
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Too many people subscribe to software with features they don't need to impress people they don't like.


Now that my friend is profound! And Oh so true!

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