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Dec 2, 2019 12:09:25   #
photoman022 Loc: Manchester CT USA
 
RAW shooter who uses Photoshop Elements (14). I really like Adobe Camera Raw. If you go the PSE route, I hardily suggest Scott Kelby's book, "The Photosho Elements (you version goes here, ex.14) Book for Digital Photographers".

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Dec 2, 2019 12:19:47   #
bobmcculloch Loc: NYC, NY
 
and may be less intuitive than the Adobe Suite.

Really, IMHO Adobe is not intuitive, at least not when I looked at it years ago, never could get the hang of it, that's why I ended up with PSP after trying other platforms, quite happily in fact.

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Dec 2, 2019 12:39:07   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
buzzyd wrote:
So, let's have it, what would you recommend that is not subscription based - so no LR, PS, CC for example.

Just a bit of detail -- I shoot mostly raw (Nikon DLSR both DX and FX). I also shoot IR, so support for those kinds of editing would be useful as well.

Thanks for the recommendations!


If you are looking for an Editor to purchase, Affinity will take some beating. It is not only very good, the learning curve is short due to it's intuitivity. There are generous seasonal discounted offers at present. It has help plus vid topics accessed automatically from the web.
It is not designed for cataloguing.

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Dec 2, 2019 12:56:44   #
Robinbs Loc: Colorado
 
I use to use Polarr, but they changed their pricing and locked out my old version, which had costed me $5. I have been using Landscape Pro and testing GIMP and Darktable.

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Dec 2, 2019 13:35:32   #
sodapop Loc: Baltimore, MD
 
mwsilvers wrote:
I think you mean the extra bells and whistles are hardly worth it to you. Depending on what the "bells and whistles" do, and the post processing goals of a potential customer, they may be well worth it.


Sometimes the Bells and Whistles become import and maybe "necessities" When automatic transmissions came out they were a novelty and soon became a necessity, as with air conditioning etc.etc. Do you buy overripe bananas so that you can get pay a little less? After having said that, everyone of course is entitled to prefer the best or lesser. I don't want to spend a lot of time learning and testing alternative programs.. If you are a slow learner like me, I have learned how to use Lightroom and Photoshop, and they work fine for me. And I love the updates with the neat improvements and features.

Just my 2 cents worth

Peace

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Dec 2, 2019 14:15:24   #
ralf Loc: NJ
 
DxO photolab
Luminar
Affinity photo
Aurora HDR

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Dec 2, 2019 14:33:05   #
jamesl Loc: Pennsylvania
 
buzzyd wrote:
So, let's have it, what would you recommend that is not subscription based - so no LR, PS, CC for example.

Just a bit of detail -- I shoot mostly raw (Nikon DLSR both DX and FX). I also shoot IR, so support for those kinds of editing would be useful as well.

Thanks for the recommendations!


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I would recommend "ON1 Photo RAW 2020", "Affinity Photo" or "Luminar 4". Other good options would include "Corel Paintshop Pro 2020" and "Photoshop Elements 2020". If you were to get "Photoshop Elements 2020", I would recommend also getting the "Elements+" add on since it adds beck in many features of regular Photoshop that aren't part of Elements. "Capture One" is also an excellent program but costs more than any of the others.

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Dec 2, 2019 14:37:01   #
Fotoartist Loc: Pleasant Ridge, Michigan
 
Photoshop CS6 if you can find it.

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Dec 2, 2019 14:41:38   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
AndyH wrote:
I fail to see the analogy. Like any software, you are renting the use (licensing) of a product that has taken thousands of person-hours to develop, and thousands more to keep up to date. It's just like any other service you purchase. If you "buy" a license and expect perpetual support, I think you are the one expecting something for nothing. It's not Amazon's "fault" that local retailers are struggling - it is the nature of the free market and inventiveness. By the same logic, it's Henry Ford's fault that the local buggy whip maker is out of business, and Canikonsonysonic's that you can't buy any current high quality film cameras. I'd rather have a P-51 than an F-35, but I don't expect my country to start purchasing Mustangs for national defense.

If you don't want to rent your software, then use freeware or learn to code and spend a few thousand hours creating your own.

I do understand some people's objecting to this method of selling, but in the long run it is far better for both users and developers, and nets the customer better and more up to date software at a lower price. That's why nearly all software companies are switching to this model. It's the future, no matter whether we like it or not, and companies that don't move to this model will eventually not be able to keep up with those who do. The freeware or shareware developers just can't keep up with the firms that have a regular and predictable income stream, and the price for less capable "perpetual license" software seems to be increasing.

I'd say Capture One or similar are your only current choices, and you should get it now, because the price is sure to rise.

Sorry, but that's the reality of the marketplace these days.

Andy
I fail to see the analogy. Like any software, you ... (show quote)


Capture One is REALLY GOOD SOFTWARE - and if I had to limit myself to using just one package, I would have few regrets using C1.

The interesting thing is their pricing. You can buy a perpetual license for $300 (with no style packs) and pay $170 each time they offer an upgrade, or you can prepay an annual subscription for $180 and always get free upgrades, or do a yearly contract pay $20/mo, or just pay $24 month-to-month without a contract.

The reason I point this out is that a)this is a solid alternative to Adobe stuff, embraced by many professionals, partly because of its tethering support and the Phase One medium format cameras and backs, so they are very likely to be around for a while, and b) they charge fairly for a quality product. It's hard to compare other free and really cheap products to these two industry leaders - most of that other stuff isn't worth the time to learn, even when it is free. Adobe and Phase One are pretty transparent, stable companies that are not in danger of closing their doors any time soon. That alone has high intrinsic value, and it's hard to find this in other software.

I always tell my students you get what you pay for - you've all heard that I'm sure - but the other side of the coin is you NEVER get what you don't pay for.

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Dec 2, 2019 14:53:21   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
FiddleMaker wrote:
Gene, I have the monthly subscription to Adobe Lr/Ps although it is probably way overkill for me since I am only a casual hobbyist. But no matter what I do, I absolutely cannot edit a raw Nikon image in Ps and have it look exactly like I can if I use Classic Lr. I would be sunk if it wasn't for Lr. I have very good results editing a RAW image with Lr. Not so with Ps. Do they do entirely different things ?? ~FiddleMaker


To answer your question, the raw editor in Lr and Ps are exactly the same, and all of the adjustments in Lr are available in Ps. The big advantage of Lr over Ps is the fast and well-organized user interface, and the seamless transition between Library and Develop modules. You should be able to work in either and get the exact same results. One way to see this is to write your changes in Lr to xmp, then open the same file in Ps ACR and see that all of your adjustments and settings are there, and vice versa. The sliders have a different "feel" to them, but they do the exact same things.

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Dec 2, 2019 15:02:34   #
jldodge
 
For me, it’s Capture One Pro and Luminar for my IR pics.

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Dec 2, 2019 15:05:00   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
FotoHog wrote:
YES because the extra "bells and whistles" are hardly worth it.


Until you need them.

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Dec 2, 2019 15:11:10   #
photoman43
 
I am an occasional used of the Adobe Creative Suite. When I use it, I do my image processing almost exclusively in Adobe Camera Raw. And I use Bridge when needed. Photoshop is powerful, but for me difficult to learn how to use properly. I have no use for the catalogue in Lightroom so I do not use LR even though it is on my pc. My understanding is that the raw editor is the same in ACR, PS and LR.

To access ACR from Bridge, I right click on the image to be processed and select Open Camera Raw.

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Dec 2, 2019 15:12:33   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
Gene51 wrote:
Until you need them.



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Dec 2, 2019 15:17:08   #
FotoHog
 
Gene51 wrote:
Until you need them.


Agreed. The question is when. Most never do.

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