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Dec 3, 2019 15:09:37   #
Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan
 
chevman wrote:
There is another reason to have a perpetual license software, and that would be that as the rented version gets continually “upgraded” while all the time you may be working on aging hardware and eventually that aging hardware won’t support the “continually upgraded” software in spite of the fact that all of your hardware, (camera, computer, etc) may be working just fine including, the software you are currently using. There are reasons someone just might not want to rent software besides a measly ten bucks a month.
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I wonder how people would see this if upgrades were available once a year and they cost $120. I bet there would be a lot more gripes. What if those upgrades were mandatory? What if the software company disabled their software if you failed to pay up and get the upgrade? What if that company monitored and gained a certain amount of control over your computer in order to do all of that?

But, hey, just $10 a month - you spend more than that on coffee! - and you get the very best, and it is continuously upgraded to the latest and greatest with all of the exciting new features!!! What sort of Luddite would throw a wet blanket on that kind of deal?

Mike

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Dec 3, 2019 15:34:26   #
chevman Loc: Matthews, North Carolina
 
Blenheim Orange wrote:
I wonder how people would see this if upgrades were available once a year and they cost $120. I bet there would be a lot more gripes. What if those upgrades were mandatory? What if the software company disabled their software if you failed to pay up and get the upgrade? What if that company monitored and gained a certain amount of control over your computer in order to do all of that?

But, hey, just $10 a month - you spend more than that on coffee! - and you get the very best, and it is continuously upgraded to the latest and greatest with all of the exciting new features!!! What sort of Luddite would throw a wet blanket on that kind of deal?

Mike
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“What sort of Luddite would throw a wet blanket on that kind of deal?” Me. It’s not a deal, just like renting your house is not a deal or an apartment is not a deal, and leasing a car is not a deal especially if it gets damaged during your lease period. When you rent they are in control, when you own you are in control. You decide when and for how much you want to upgrade, be it a house, a car, or a piece of software.

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Dec 3, 2019 15:34:59   #
dls1 Loc: Massachusetts
 
FotoHog wrote:
I have been using PaintshopPro for many years. Every new version is an improvement over the previous one. I stick with it because of 1) it is a quality product and 2) I don't have to pay ransom. If Corel creates a Mac version for the apple guys they will be able to give Photoshop a good run for the money.



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Dec 3, 2019 15:39:30   #
dls1 Loc: Massachusetts
 
chevman wrote:
There is another reason to have a perpetual license software, and that would be that as the rented version gets continually “upgraded” while all the time you may be working on aging hardware and eventually that aging hardware won’t support the “continually upgraded” software in spite of the fact that all of your hardware, (camera, computer, etc) may be working just fine including, the software you are currently using. There are reasons someone just might not want to rent software besides a measly ten bucks a month.
There is another reason to have a perpetual licens... (show quote)

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Dec 3, 2019 15:47:02   #
dls1 Loc: Massachusetts
 
chevman wrote:
There is another reason to have a perpetual license software, and that would be that as the rented version gets continually “upgraded” while all the time you may be working on aging hardware and eventually that aging hardware won’t support the “continually upgraded” software in spite of the fact that all of your hardware, (camera, computer, etc) may be working just fine including, the software you are currently using. There are reasons someone just might not want to rent software besides a measly ten bucks a month.
There is another reason to have a perpetual licens... (show quote)



The only problem here is that computer operating software will be upgraded and I would think that causes compatibility issues with the editing software application.

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Dec 3, 2019 17:23:31   #
jbmauser Loc: Roanoke, VA
 
billnikon wrote:
I have intel core 13 on my computer and comes with a their version of processing. Free and effective, below is a shot processed through the computers free photo editing software. Most of the computers I have used come with this free editing software.


You are a little off on your understanding. First, your computer CPU is an Intel i3 that is hardware, your computers engine. Intel does not make software. Your computer no doubt came with Windows. That is a Microsoft product and it does come with a photo software. It is not a "RAW" processing software and is not designed with tools for serious processing. There are many basic packages that will make minor adjustments to JPG images. This fellow is looking for a full fledged package that he can buy once.

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Dec 3, 2019 17:33:13   #
Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan
 
chevman wrote:
“What sort of Luddite would throw a wet blanket on that kind of deal?” Me. It’s not a deal, just like renting your house is not a deal or an apartment is not a deal, and leasing a car is not a deal especially if it gets damaged during your lease period. When you rent they are in control, when you own you are in control. You decide when and for how much you want to upgrade, be it a house, a car, or a piece of software.


I agree.

Mike

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Dec 3, 2019 17:36:48   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
The subscription gives ordinary people the chance to use the same software as the rich.

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Dec 3, 2019 17:38:12   #
FotoHog Loc: on Cloud 9
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
The subscription gives ordinary people the chance to use the same software as the rich.


except that they may have a hard time paying for it

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Dec 3, 2019 17:46:00   #
Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan
 
dls1 wrote:
Thanks. I looked it (paint shop pro) up but it doesn't seem to support a mac. Customer service is important for me if I run into issues. Things are awfully complicated these days.


Ah, right.

I downloaded Luminar 4 this afternoon and have been working with it for about 3 hours. The company was at one time Mac only, so I am thinking that the program is Mac friendly. It works fine on Windows 10, though it is a little slow at times. Non-destructive (parametric) editing, raw interpretation, layers - and it is very easy to work with layers. It does cataloging, but I don't have an interest in that so I just use the "edit single image" menu item to open an image.

I think it is worth a look. It took no time at all to find my way around it. I was skeptical about the AI (artificial intelligence) features, but I am impressed with them.

Download the trial version, give it a spin and if you get stuck just give me a holler and if I can help I will.

https://skylum.com/luminar

Mike

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Dec 3, 2019 18:58:54   #
chevman Loc: Matthews, North Carolina
 
dls1 wrote:

The only problem here is that computer operating software will be upgraded and I would think that causes compatibility issues with the editing software application.

I’m running OS Mojave and have some incredibly old software and have no issues. I will admit that if I choose to upgrade to OS 10.15 Catalina then some of my software will stop working as well as some of the hardware attached to my Mid 2015 MacBook Pro. Some of that hardware and software that goes with it cost as much as the MacBook Pro new. There seems to be quite a few around here that seem to worry about security. This doesn’t have to be this way. The OS will continue to receive security updates. You don’t have to upgrade the operating system just because they put out a new one. Usually there is more useless fluff than actual useful features anyway.

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Dec 3, 2019 19:13:48   #
Ysarex Loc: St. Louis
 
Blenheim Orange wrote:
Ah, right.

I downloaded Luminar 4 this afternoon and have been working with it for about 3 hours. The company was at one time Mac only, so I am thinking that the program is Mac friendly. It works fine on Windows 10, though it is a little slow at times. Non-destructive (parametric) editing,


Not entirely. Luminar is a parametric editor and it's workflow should be non-destructive but it is only partially so. Luminar's Erasure/Clone tool will force you to create what they call a Stamped Layer. That Stamped Layer is a monkey wrench thrown into your non-destructive workflow. It will not update any changes made and not pass any changes through to adjustment layers above it. You can learn to work around it only to a degree, but if you want full access to your entire edit for an image that Stamped Layer will defeat you. Your only option is to delete the Stamped Layer, make the changes you want and then re-do the erase/clone work (destructive workflow) that was on the Stamped Layer. You later want to make another change -- repeat.

Joe

Blenheim Orange wrote:
raw interpretation, layers - and it is very easy to work with layers. It does cataloging, but I don't have an interest in that so I just use the "edit single image" menu item to open an image.

I think it is worth a look. It took no time at all to find my way around it. I was skeptical about the AI (artificial intelligence) features, but I am impressed with them.

Download the trial version, give it a spin and if you get stuck just give me a holler and if I can help I will.

https://skylum.com/luminar

Mike
raw interpretation, layers - and it is very easy t... (show quote)

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Dec 3, 2019 19:39:19   #
Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan
 
Ysarfex wrote:
Not entirely. Luminar is a parametric editor and it's workflow should be non-destructive but it is only partially so. Luminar's Erasure/Clone tool will force you to create what they call a Stamped Layer. That Stamped Layer is a monkey wrench thrown into your non-destructive workflow. It will not update any changes made and not pass any changes through to adjustment layers above it. You can learn to work around it only to a degree, but if you want full access to your entire edit for an image that Stamped Layer will defeat you. Your only option is to delete the Stamped Layer, make the changes you want and then re-do the erase/clone work (destructive workflow) that was on the Stamped Layer. You later want to make another change -- repeat.

Joe
Not entirely. Luminar is a parametric editor and i... (show quote)


Thanks. I hadn't used the Erasure/Clone tool yet.

Mike

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Dec 3, 2019 19:48:16   #
Ysarex Loc: St. Louis
 
Blenheim Orange wrote:
Thanks. I hadn't used the Erasure/Clone tool yet.

Mike


Otherwise the software looks promising but lots of talk out there about performance problems. I downloaded the trial and spent some time with it. If an edit get's even a little complicated (more than one or two masks and a couple layers) it starts dragging its feet. Fingers crossed that they continue to improve it. They should take a few months off trying to stuff more whizbangs into it and tune up its core function. The whizbangs are superficial and don't make for a day in day out work tool.

Joe

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Dec 3, 2019 20:36:01   #
buzzyd
 
Thanks to all, for the many options.

Was also very interesting hearing all the opinions about renting or not renting.

And yes in the end, I will have to try several to find what suits me.

Also just to note - I have used LR6 and LR4 for several years, and found them reasonable software. I am really wondering if it is time for a change, so needed some options and now I have to do some work.

Again Thanks for all the information!

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