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Dec 2, 2019 06:28:09   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
I'm not tired due to the fact that I use my cell phone to call people, I use my camera to photograph. Comparing is a waste of time.
--Bob
rcirr wrote:
Anyone else tired of people sometimes getting better pictures with their phone cameras than you get with your dedicated DSLR? I'm at an event. Everyone is shooting. Even in low light conditions it seems people often get better pictures than I do. regardless of what mode I m shooting (Auto, Program, A, S or full manual). Is this just happening to me? Have the phone cameras surpassed the DSLR cameras?

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Dec 2, 2019 06:41:48   #
steve49 Loc: massachusetts
 
I think it all depends on what you intend to do with the photos.
Email them? phone is simple, good enough and fast.
Instagram? Easy as pie and small image looks great.
Enlarge and print? Limited and harshly limited if you use the " Tele " mode on the cel phone.

A decent point and shoot will take a much better picture that a cel phone if the lens is extended a little bit... say to 100mm equivalent or so.

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Dec 2, 2019 06:41:57   #
foathog Loc: Greensboro, NC
 
Maybe you're just no good at it.



rcirr wrote:
Anyone else tired of people sometimes getting better pictures with their phone cameras than you get with your dedicated DSLR? I'm at an event. Everyone is shooting. Even in low light conditions it seems people often get better pictures than I do. regardless of what mode I m shooting (Auto, Program, A, S or full manual). Is this just happening to me? Have the phone cameras surpassed the DSLR cameras?

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Dec 2, 2019 06:52:23   #
Tomfl101 Loc: Mount Airy, MD
 
Cell phones can’t compete with the large sensors found in DSLR cameras but they are superior in auto everything software. Their whole business model and development has been to counter any and all ways traditional cameras are better and they have won! Camera companies have essentially given up innovating to capture the consumer market but real photographers will always be able to beat the phone image with knowledge and skill.

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Dec 2, 2019 07:35:11   #
twice_shooter
 
I sometimes shoot my company’s Cricket matches. This was taken with a D3s. Both the Nikon and iPhone have 12 megapixels but in this case, this shot would not be possible with the iPhone. You need a hammer and a saw to build a house but you need to realize that those tools are not interchangeable. That said, my new iPhone 11 has a great camera and I generally use it for family time.


Nikon D3s, Nikon 80-400, cropped.



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Dec 2, 2019 07:36:11   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Bobspez wrote:
I see similar comments on videography groups. One reason is that cell phones and action cams have smaller sensors than DSLRs leading to a longer depth of field, bringing more of the image into sharper focus.


All things being equal - focal length, aperture, distance to subject - smaller sensors have LESS, not more depth of field.

The increase in working distance, necessitated by smaller sensor (cropping), is what increases the depth of field. Cell phones have extremely short focal lengths with effective field of views from 25mm to 35mm, and crop factors that range from 6 to over 7.

This is one source,

https://photographylife.com/sensor-size-perspective-and-depth-of-field - but there are many other sources that explain this in even greater detail.

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Dec 2, 2019 07:58:35   #
randave2001 Loc: Richmond
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
Totally wrong.
What doesn’t a cell phone do well?



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Dec 2, 2019 08:39:07   #
John N Loc: HP14 3QF Stokenchurch, UK
 
twice_shooter wrote:
I sometimes shoot my company’s Cricket matches.


That's a nice shot that deserves to be seen in download. I'm guessing you are U.K. or Commonwealth or is the game gaining ground in other locations?

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Dec 2, 2019 08:40:34   #
fetzler Loc: North West PA
 
bleirer wrote:
No. Physics is on the DSLR side, but vision and artistic expression are not exclusively for those with expensive cameras. Besides, if my camera has double the megapixels that's twice the number of blurry pixels when I focus wrong.


In the film days there were Instamatics and Leicas. Both took pictures. I know that I would rather have a Leica for real photography but I have a lot of family photos taken with Instamatics. They bring back memories but are not fine photos.

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Dec 2, 2019 08:57:30   #
fetzler Loc: North West PA
 
Gene51 wrote:
All things being equal - focal length, aperture, distance to subject - smaller sensors have LESS, not more depth of field.

The increase in working distance, necessitated by smaller sensor (cropping), is what increases the depth of field. Cell phones have extremely short focal lengths with effective field of views from 25mm to 35mm, and crop factors that range from 6 to over 7.

This is one source,

https://photographylife.com/sensor-size-perspective-and-depth-of-field - but there are many other sources that explain this in even greater detail.
All things being equal - focal length, aperture, d... (show quote)


You have this wrong. Depth of field is determined by the f stop and the magnification on the sensor. For a fixed FOV and f stop the smaller sensor will have more depth of field as the image magnification is less on smaller sensor. If you used large format cameras you would clearly understand this.

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Dec 2, 2019 09:16:12   #
BrHawkeye
 
I see my cellphone camera and my Canon as having different functions. The cellphone camera has been very useful on occasions when I have had an unexpected encounter with something photographic. I just returned from a vacation when I got a nice closeup from an airliner of Mount Rainier. Last year I got a nice shot of the Grand Canyon from 36,000 feet when the clouds cleared briefly. On another occasion I got an unusual shot of an alpenhorn in a Hofbrauhaus when the player rested it on a table next to me while serenading a birthday group.

With the Canon, there's more planning involved. The quality of the final print is likely to be better. But I'm less likely to capture the unexpected moment. However, my favorite photo taken this year was taken with the Canon.

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Dec 2, 2019 09:23:20   #
gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast
 
I like the photos I get with my iPhone 10 XR and my Nikon D7200. Given that, phone cameras are designed to use computational imaging to render a pleasing photo on a tiny screen under a variety of lighting situations. Many of these photos can also produce decent quality large prints. And for short videos, I will grab my iPhone before I’d even think of using my DSLR. The convenience and quality are amazing.

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Dec 2, 2019 09:40:54   #
gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast
 
n3eg wrote:
Once again...a cellphone with a camera is a spork. It does multiple things, and none of them well.


Check out what Emil Pakarklis does on YouTube with an iPhone. It’s impressive if you view with an open mind.

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Dec 2, 2019 09:42:51   #
Bubbee Loc: Aventura, Florida
 
As previously posted, I, too, had the same rude awakening in a restaurant where my grandson forbade me to use flash, and his fiancee's cell phone pix were better than mine. Oih!
But...at the last indoor occasion, after having studied using higher iso's, I took some of my best indoor pictures, which could be doubled by cropping in post.
Also, I request their cell photos to be sent to me to post process and incorporate into the subsequent album with the proper credit.
Keep the peace and enjoy!

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Dec 2, 2019 09:45:44   #
wingclui44 Loc: CT USA
 
Jim Bianco wrote:
My sister took pics of her trip out west with her cell phone and had them blown up to 9×12 , and 16 ×20 and they are great clear and super sharp also some panos. I am thinking of getting rid of all my gear and shooting with a cell phone l just put in my pocket and go. I think that's all you need today. Jim Bianco


So, you are just a picture taker, not a photography! Sorry to say that!

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