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Dec 1, 2019 10:50:36   #
bleirer
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
The OP has been a member of UHH for seven years, but is still randomly selecting shooting mode? I don't think he intended this particular topic to be about learning


The OP didn't say randomly.

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Dec 1, 2019 10:53:43   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
rcirr wrote:
Anyone else tired of people sometimes getting better pictures with their phone cameras than you get with your dedicated DSLR? I'm at an event. Everyone is shooting. Even in low light conditions it seems people often get better pictures than I do. regardless of what mode I m shooting (Auto, Program, A, S or full manual). Is this just happening to me? Have the phone cameras surpassed the DSLR cameras?


Not me, I love to use my phone these days, especially for grab shots. The portability is unparalleled, quality is decent enough for posting and fairly large prints, and the newest firmware/software really very good.

When I am not using my Google Pixel, I use a Sony RX10M4, D800 and D810. I like those a lot, too.

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Dec 1, 2019 10:54:54   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington State, home since 2002
 
bleirer wrote:
The OP didn't say randomly.
I tried hard to imagine the circumstances in which someone would go from auto to A to S to M on a single photo shoot. What would be the purpose? Maybe my brain cells just aren't organized yet this morning

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Dec 1, 2019 11:13:49   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
I tried hard to imagine the circumstances in which someone would go from auto to A to S to M on a single photo shoot. What would be the purpose? Maybe my brain cells just aren't organized yet this morning


Probably just a list of modes used, not necessarily all in one shoot.
That's the way I understood it to be.

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Dec 1, 2019 11:33:00   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington State, home since 2002
 
Longshadow wrote:
Probably just a list of modes used, not necessarily all in one shoot.
That's the way I understood it to be.
OK, then. At a "low light event" (per the OP), how does shooting mode make a "better" or "worse" photo than a phone camera, or any other camera?

Wouldn't the outcome be dependent on the camera's ability to handle high ISO (noise), the photographer's understanding of aperture and shutter speed as relates to the specific photo op, and of course lens quality?

The shooting mode in and of itself is not relevant.

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Dec 1, 2019 11:40:57   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
OK, then. At a "low light event" (per the OP), how does shooting mode make a "better" or "worse" photo than a phone camera, or any other camera?

Wouldn't the outcome be dependent on the camera's ability to handle high ISO (noise), the photographer's understanding of aperture and shutter speed as relates to a specific photo op, and of course lens quality?

The shooting mode in and of itself is not relevant.

Camera mode settings???

Agreed, there should be the same EV for each mode, unless metering is set differently in various modes.

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Dec 1, 2019 11:48:23   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington State, home since 2002
 
Longshadow wrote:
... unless metering is set differently in various modes.
That could certainly be the case when including auto in the mix.

My point, if I can remember what it was or even if I had one, LOL, is this topic is like the "false equivalency" argument. If the OP doesn't know his camera well, how can he compare his dslr results to any other camera?

As rook2c4 pointed out in this thread, "I think it simply means that you haven't learned to use your DSLR to its full potential."

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Dec 1, 2019 13:37:51   #
Bobspez Loc: Southern NJ, USA
 
I see similar comments on videography groups. One reason is that cell phones and action cams have smaller sensors than DSLRs leading to a longer depth of field, bringing more of the image into sharper focus.

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Dec 1, 2019 16:44:31   #
BebuLamar
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
I tried hard to imagine the circumstances in which someone would go from auto to A to S to M on a single photo shoot. What would be the purpose? Maybe my brain cells just aren't organized yet this morning


I would use an exposure mode for convenient but the exposure would ended up the same. I don't think it's the exposure mode the OP chose is the problem. We can't really tell what the problem is unless the OP can post both the pictures from his DSLR and the pictures from the cell phones that he claimed better than his. I do understand it's a near impossible task.
Perhaps the OP only saw the cell phone pictures by quickly looked at someone's phone. In which case it's difficult to tell it the pictures are really good. In generally the cell phone isn't as good a camera as a typical DSLR but it has its own advantages.

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Dec 1, 2019 20:03:25   #
Jim Bianco
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Are you as good as your sister?


If you take a photo of a mountain with a cell phone or a camera the pic of the mountain is the same. You tell me what changes, to each his own, that is just my opinion thanks Jim

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Dec 1, 2019 22:13:19   #
Strodav Loc: Houston, Tx
 
Jim Bianco wrote:
If you take a photo of a mountain with a cell phone or a camera the pic of the mountain is the same. You tell me what changes, to each his own, that is just my opinion thanks Jim


If I take a picture of your mountain scene with my 12mp iPhone 8+ then with my 45.7mp D850 using a pro quality lens that gives the same FOV, you will see a lot of difference if you really want to look at the two of them side by side.

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Dec 2, 2019 05:44:06   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
n3eg wrote:
Once again...a cellphone with a camera is a spork. It does multiple things, and none of them well.


Totally wrong.
What doesn’t a cell phone do well?

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Dec 2, 2019 05:56:56   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
rcirr wrote:
Anyone else tired of people sometimes getting better pictures with their phone cameras than you get with your dedicated DSLR? I'm at an event. Everyone is shooting. Even in low light conditions it seems people often get better pictures than I do. regardless of what mode I m shooting (Auto, Program, A, S or full manual). Is this just happening to me? Have the phone cameras surpassed the DSLR cameras?


Yes to the first question, and NO to the second.

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Dec 2, 2019 05:57:36   #
John N Loc: HP14 3QF Stokenchurch, UK
 
I got my niece's to send me shots from a family do last year. 13mp camera's, sent me 64 kb images. Didn't even know where to get the higher res photo from to send me.

Looked good on a 5.5" screen though.

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Dec 2, 2019 06:10:36   #
sb Loc: Florida's East Coast
 
Taken with my iPhone 11 Pro a few weeks ago. No editing. Yep. A little soft. But capability not to be totally discounted.


(Download)

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