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Apr 26, 2020 20:55:30   #
Joecosentino Loc: Whitesboro, New York
 
practice yes, but that plain is moving a lot faster than the car photos, a shutter speed of 1/100 might work fine. I got buzzed by a fighter once then I was geocaching along the ET Highway in Nevada. he had to be 100 feet off the deck and he was booking right along. scared the hell out of me he came aroundnfor a second final kill and wagged his wings for me.

He was going so fast it would have been hard to keep him in the frame. also in that bright light a 1000 ISO is way too high
have fun next time

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May 10, 2020 07:35:32   #
SPYBALL-1 Loc: Montréal
 
This is an excellent capture of a certain moment in time. I took the road out by cropping (felt it competes with the palne and the sky). By putting the plane in the top right third of the photo results in a longer jet stream.
The mini-blur effect was added in SPE (smart photo editor) - and voilà, your photo is as you wished - I hope.



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May 10, 2020 08:50:20   #
Kaib795 Loc: Maryland, USA
 
Great shots Richard. I remember taking pictures at a local race track and that day they had a jet car. I knew it would be near impossible for my camera to focus on it so I pre-focused on the track right where I wanted the shot, turned the camera off auto focus and as the beast took off it passed me but I caught back up to it and just as it came close to my focus spot, I started my camera shooting in continuous mode. My camera was on a neck strap and as soon as the beast passed by I dropped the camera to cover my ears! LOL The smoke at the start (all for show), the flame out the back as it ran down the track looked like a giant acetylene torch and the incredible noise, unforgettable. The shots were great but I really didn't know if I got anything until later, that was in the film days. Panning is great fun. Thanks for sharing your photos. I enjoyed all of them.

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May 21, 2020 21:07:46   #
10MPlayer Loc: California
 
It takes practice but a slower shutter speed and a steady hand are what's required.

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Jun 5, 2020 19:24:15   #
Norseman
 
If you are after a blurry background, you need to remember two things:

1. Shutter speed needs to be from 1/20 to 1/125 depending on the speed of your pan and:

2. The angle of the subject. The best results with panning blur are when the speed of the subject, relative to the edges of the frame, is small (you keep the subject in relatively the same place and the speed of the background (via the pan) is large. In other words, if the subject is at an angle less than 90 degrees as your photo shows, the difference between the speed of the subject and the pan is small. If the plane was 90 degrees to you, as you pan (wingtip facing you) the difference would be greater and result in more blur to the background.

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Jun 7, 2020 20:54:13   #
Silverrails
 
RichardTaylor wrote:
Just go out and practice panning at different shutter speeds.
You may find higher shutter speeds (like 1/100 or faster) may be ok.
The main thing is to keep your motion smooth as you follow through.
I shoot in short bursts and keep the best one.
With your permission I can post some examples along the shutter speed used.


I have NO experience in Panning fast moving objects, but I might suggest that a Tripod that has good movement and a control arm. Let me know if this would make any sense to you or another Professional Photographer with experience in this type of Photography.

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Jun 27, 2020 13:19:43   #
blueskies920
 
I do more cropping then Post Processing
I like Skyball's crop

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Jun 28, 2020 08:59:06   #
Silverrails
 
jbgs wrote:
I had envisioned this differently than how it ended up. I was trying to have the plane in focus but have a motion blur of the background so to show the movement of the plane. I realize now that my settings were way off 1/1600 sec f/14 135mm ISO 1000. I know I should have been close to f5.6 since that was the lens I was using and yes I know an f2.8 would have been better but I did not have that glass with me. I was trying to pan with the plane so I know I did not need to be set at 1/1600 sec. I guess all these mistakes are just from my inexperience, I mean that was the first time I took pictures at an airshow. Rather than making excuses I would like to know what I should do differently for next time.
I had envisioned this differently than how it ende... (show quote)

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Mar 16, 2021 22:58:22   #
flyboy61 Loc: The Great American Desert
 
RichardTaylor wrote:
Thanks.
These were all shot at motor racing events. Usually with a long lens. For lenses that have IS/VR panning mode it would have been on.
I will just give the shutter speed as that is the most important thing.
Exif data is included with all the images.
Feel free to ask any questions.
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Mar 17, 2021 17:04:51   #
Silverrails
 
jbgs wrote:
I had envisioned this differently than how it ended up. I was trying to have the plane in focus but have a motion blur of the background so to show the movement of the plane. I realize now that my settings were way off 1/1600 sec f/14 135mm ISO 1000. I know I should have been close to f5.6 since that was the lens I was using and yes I know an f2.8 would have been better but I did not have that glass with me. I was trying to pan with the plane so I know I did not need to be set at 1/1600 sec. I guess all these mistakes are just from my inexperience, I mean that was the first time I took pictures at an airshow. Rather than making excuses I would like to know what I should do differently for next time.
I had envisioned this differently than how it ende... (show quote)


I did not notice, did you use a Tripod in getting your Shot? As far a settings, I am not a professional so I do not know the Best settings to use for the image that you desired. Sounds Like you are aware of some improvements you may try next opportunity you have at an Air Show. Wish you the best in your Photography Journey.

Respectfully
Robert

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Mar 19, 2021 23:54:56   #
SalvageDiver Loc: Huntington Beach CA
 
If you missed the shot and it would be very difficult or impossible to repeat, then you can use the Path Blur tool in Photoshop to complete the illusion of panning.


(Download)

The PS process for the panning illusion
The PS process for the panning illusion...
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Apr 3, 2021 01:48:36   #
Hip Coyote
 
There is an article on taking shots of planes in one of the PSA magazines by a photog by the name of Hutchison..he is in my camera club and is a master photographer. It is a great read.

My amateurish thought is that the plane is coming at you, so you cannot pan. Do shutter priority...Hutch's article will talk about shutter speeds of jets v. props, etc.

Another thought is that it is just one plane, flying in a straight line..exciting, but not a show stopper. Three planes is more exciting, panning with a blurred background is exciting.

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Sep 18, 2021 23:14:48   #
Chicago312 Loc: Western suburb, Chicago
 
jbgs wrote:
I had envisioned this differently than how it ended up. I was trying to have the plane in focus but have a motion blur of the background so to show the movement of the plane. I realize now that my settings were way off 1/1600 sec f/14 135mm ISO 1000. I know I should have been close to f5.6 since that was the lens I was using and yes I know an f2.8 would have been better but I did not have that glass with me. I was trying to pan with the plane so I know I did not need to be set at 1/1600 sec. I guess all these mistakes are just from my inexperience, I mean that was the first time I took pictures at an airshow. Rather than making excuses I would like to know what I should do differently for next time.
I had envisioned this differently than how it ende... (show quote)


Although your post is almost 2 years old and you have probably figured out what to do by now, I’ll just throw in my 2 cents anyways.

When taking panning shots, your subject will always be approaching you and passing you. Shoot in high continuous speed. Start as the subject is approaching.

Shutter speed should be slow relative to the speed of your subject, distance of your subject, lens used. 1/10-1/30 for people running, shot with a wide angle lens. 1/125-1/250 for fast moving cars/planes, shot with a telephoto lens.

ISO should be as low as possible to allow for a slower shutter speed.

Aperture does not need to be 2.8 or 5.6. It can be f11 or f14 or higher. When panning, the background will be blurred by the movement of the camera. A shallow depth of field isn’t a requirement. Increase the aperture to allow a slower shutter speed.

Panning in daylight can be difficult as you can only lower your ISO and increase your aperture by so much. If your shutter speed is still too high, then consider use of a neutral density filter. The other alternative is to change positions if possible so that your subject is backlit. This will allow you to drop your shutter speed.

When possible, using a tripod or monopod is helpful. This allows one to avoid any up/down movement that sometimes happens when handholding a camera

Practice helps, but panning is not easy and the success rate isn’t high (at least for me).
Shot a cross county meet recently - 880 panning shots, only kept 120.
Good luck

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Sep 24, 2021 18:35:31   #
flyboy61 Loc: The Great American Desert
 
Don, the 2nd son wrote:
+ practice, practice, practice! I have found spots where I can shoot traffic on local roads (gives speeders a "jolt!") to practice and more practice. I need more practice than formal events can provide.



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Sep 24, 2021 19:03:57   #
flyboy61 Loc: The Great American Desert
 
VERY good photo! Panning shutter speed depends greatly upon your personal steadiness. If you have VR, USE IT! As repeated: Practice!
At air shows, the planes are at enough distance that DOF, even wide open is not critical! But, a stop or two down from wide open is harper. ISO? As low as lighting wili allow. Generaly, I standardize my shutter speeds:Jets, 1/1000 sec. or faster. Propeller planes 1/250-1/400 for good prop blur, depending on how I'm feeling that day. For the picture in question...he did what he could, given that is probably a one-time opportunity, captured very sharply. If I wanted to blur the background slightly, probably 1/160 sec...if personal ability allows. 1/250 would probably blur the background and provide some insurance against photographer wobbles. because aircraft move very fast! Set as much as you can beforehand, so you won't be fiddling around with the electronic master and miss a god picture.
For practice...be unobtrusive! Distracted drivers can cause accidents.

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