philo Loc: philo, ca

If you made this move.........i would like to know if you are happy with the move. What advantages did you encounter.
thanks

CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City

I have not made that move, but my opinion is the step-up in resolution is not offset by a) limited high ISO capability and b) limited Auto Focus capability. It would depend on your intended uses, but the 5DIV is a much more robust general-purpose camera.

speters Loc: Grangeville/Idaho

I think that would be a very poor move, I certainly wouldn't do it. All that this would give you, is you loose so much, its not even funny. Why would you be willing to throw so much away for just a wee-bit more resolution that would be hard to notice, unless you're really pixel peeking every picture to death?

mrtaxi Loc: Old Westbury NY, Fort Lauderdale, FL

I own both cameras. They complement each other. The 5DS i use only when I need it’s higher resolution and have the needed light. It’s Limited in comparison to the 5D IV faster ISO speed Capability , and lightening fast autofocus.

LFingar Loc: Claverack, NY

I agree with CHG CANON. Of course, what you shoot would be the determining factor, IMO. I don't know how you feel about mirrorless, but, if high resolution is your objective, from what I have read Canon will be replacing the 5DSR with a high megapixel R Series body in early 2020. Might be worth waiting for, unless you are looking to buy used. Of course, if you can find a good used 5DSR why not get it and keep your 5DIV?

PGHphoto Loc: Pittsburgh, PA

I went from a 5DII to a 5Ds. The biggest comment I have is that the 5DS will magnify any camera movement to a surprising degree. Took a few months of handheld shooting to get the optimal shutter speeds for sharp shots with all the lenses I typically use. As previous posts have identified, the low light capabilities of the 5DS are not as good as the 5DIV and the 5DS tends towards noisier as a result (easily corrected in lightroom). For sports or action, the 5DS is good but I will typically use my 70D in high speed or quick motion situations.

That being said, the resolution of the 5DS when used in sports under good lighting will result in much better looking shots with minimal PP. Not to mention with 50 megapixels, you have a lot of room to crop when you can't fill the frame with the subject due to distance from the players and don't have the money for an 800mm lens !

One last consideration is that post processing software of a 50 MP image will take longer to display certain adjustments you make. On my old PC, display of adjustments to images in Lightroom from my 70D are nearly instantaneous. With the larger files of my 5DS it can take up to 20 seconds before the image is displayed with certain adjustments like sharpening or noise reduction. Even after I built a new PC specifically for Lightroom/Photoshop, the difference in time-to-render is noticeable.

Finally, my suggestion is that if you go with a 5DS and its economically feasible, consider keeping a second body on hand for the action shoots. For landscapes and probably 85% of what photographers typically shoot, the 5DS will produce perfect results easily and without any problems at all (once you get the hang of using it). If you are used to using a lower MP camera, you may at first find it difficult to produce super sharp hand held images immediately, it may take some practice.

philo Loc: philo, ca

this is better feedback then on can get off of you tube. thanks

jayd Loc: Central Florida, East coast

Or wait for the 5D mk V

philo Loc: philo, ca

the beauty of the 5 drs is that they can be had for $1500 rather then 3500.
The only feature that all of the 5d is missing is a flip up rear screen.

philo Loc: philo, ca

the beauty of the 5 drs is that they can be had for $1500 rather then 3500.
The only feature that all of the 5d is missing is a flip up rear screen.

jayd Loc: Central Florida, East coast

And hi iso and fast fosus

PGHphoto Loc: Pittsburgh, PA

Focus is not slow - true the 5DIV is quicker but its not like you have to take seconds to focus. Mine focuses quick enough to follow moving subjects perfectly both traveling towards/away and across the frame . The ISO is more than enough for 99% of subjects at 12,800 AND is better IQ than most others at the same ISO. Its not a 5DIV but its just as usable - and better in some situations. That is my actual experience - not just something I read in a blog or saw on YouTube ...

Want proof ? See Easton Chang's work - google it.

amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA

Where are you finding 5DS-R for $1500?

I see them selling new for $3700 and used for around $2400, at a minimum.

I'd be seriously tempted if I could find one in reasonable used condition and with moderate "mileage" for $1500!

But the 5DS-R is a pretty specialized camera... as noted:

- Limited ISO range: 100-6400 versus the 5DIV's 100-32000 (I never use "extended" ISOs).
- The 5DS-R uses dual Digic 6 processors... The 5DIV uses a single Digic 6+ processor and an iTR AF processor.
- DXO rates the 5DS-R with less dynamic range and less high usable ISO, compared to 5DIV.
- 5 frames per second maximum versus 7 fps with 5DIV.
- -2EV capable autofocus versus the 5DIV's -3EV.
- Less sophisticated AF systems, including:
--- Slower contrast detection AF in Live View, versus the 5DIV's DPAF.
--- Lower performance viewfinder-based AF array vs 5DIV, which has added processing power dedicated to AF.
--- Fewer images can be buffered (due to larger size?) compared to 5DIV.
- Both cameras have 61-point AF systems, with 41 points the higher performance "cross type". However, the 5DIV's array covers slightly more of the image area.
- 1 million pixel rear LCD versus 1.6 million pixel Touch Screen on 5DIV.
- HD video versus the 5DIV's 4K.
- 700 shots per charge, versus 900 shots with 5DIV.
- No built-in WiFi or GPS, both of which are built into 5DIV.
- Very large 50MP images may slow down post-processing, compared to the 30MP from 5DIV.
- Larger image files will also fill memory cards and hard drives a lot faster.

Actually the two models share a lot more than they differ.

Neither camera has an articulated LCD screen (which the 6DII has), but an external screen can be tethered to either of them to provide a larger view from any angle.

As noted in one response, the 5DS models' high resolution is quite demanding of lenses and unforgiving of even slight camera shake (mirror slap). Back when Canon first introduced the 18MP APS-C cameras they released a white paper about how the greater density sensors were calling for faster shutter speeds to counteract susceptibility to even slight camera movements. Resolution has only increased and pixel density if even higher with the 5DS models. (Sensor pixel density is lower with the 30MP 5DIV.) Tt's going to be interesting to see how the 32.5MP APS-C 90D and M6 Mk II, as well as the next generation of ultra high resolution full frame cameras perform in this regard!

In conclusion, the 5DIV is a more versatile type of camera, more of a "generalist" and less specialized than the 5DS-R. I'd expect the 5DIV to be a better choice for sports or wildlife photography, while the 5DS models may be a better choice for landscapes and portraiture. The 50MP camera is more likely to require a longer exposure and a tripod, especially when used with available light, as well as greater care to avoid shake such as mirror lockup, a remote release or self-timer delay, and/or Live View/tethered shooting.

Rumors are that the 5DS models will be replaced in 2020 with one or more R-series mirrorless... And, further, that we might expect around 83MP (in full frame this is the same pixel density as the 32.5MP APS-C sensor). Who knows what we might see in a 5D Mark V... If there even is one. Maybe it will be an EOS R Mk II, instead. I would be surprised, though, if a 5DIV replacement were any more than 35MP to 45MP. More than the 32.5MP APS-C, but nowhere near as extreme as the 5DS replacement is likely to be. (Note that the rumors about the 1DX Mk III coming next year suggest it will either be the same 20MP as the Mk II or a modest increase to no more than 24MP.... Canon isn't necessarily going for record-setting resolutions, in spite of the big boost seen in the 90D.) This is pure speculation about a 5DIV replacement though... there haven't even been any rumors about it yet.

philo Loc: philo, ca

for the 5d s or sr just go to Amazon.

Scruples Loc: Brooklyn, New York

I have been shooting with Canon exclusively since 1976. I have never had a complaint. I searched and asked around for a good step up from my 5D Mark II. The favorite is the Mark IV. This is a true workhorse and a gem of a camera. I don't know if Canon can improve on perfection. But you never know.

Happy Shooting!