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Nov 11, 2019 06:42:18   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
bsprague wrote:
Yup! I am a "real" proud grandfather of two great granddaughters. It was and continues to be a two way learning process. They taught me a lot about how high school works. It is light years away from what I expected and was 60 years ago.

The OP wanted "thoughts". It is a forum and I had nothing better to do than offer what my granddaughters taught me about photography.

Oddly, the youngest one, has more followers on Instagram viewing here work than I ever had look at any prints I made. Yes, and she has a Nikon! It mostly sits at home on the shelf because it can't be as spontaneous, instant and relevant as a phone.

Yes, I really am real!
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Your dismissal of young people using cameras other than cell phones based on your experience alone, is flawed.

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Nov 11, 2019 07:01:45   #
digit-up Loc: Flushing, Michigan
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
Your dismissal of young people using cameras other than cell phones based on your experience alone, is flawed.


His opinion was HIS OPINION, with some thought put into expressing it. Simply something to be considered, and I appreciate him giving us the details of his CONCEPT. On the other hand, I personally have to agree with most OTHERS, that she has an interest in photography and would love to have gramps Nikon. If her fellow yearbookers“ go with their cell phones” she too can use her cell phone, BUT.... so far, cell phones aren’t superior to even the most weak DSLR. As I stated earlier, the guy had an opinion and took the time to exspress it, how good of him. He also seemed to know that his opinion would not be universally accepted. As my opinion may be considered outlandish?? Oh well!! Thanks for reading our thoughts regardless.......RJM

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Nov 11, 2019 07:07:00   #
jdub82 Loc: California
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
Your dismissal of young people using cameras other than cell phones based on your experience alone, is flawed.



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Nov 11, 2019 07:08:18   #
jdub82 Loc: California
 
BlueMorel wrote:
I think that's a great idea to share camera knowledge to a young person! Even if she doesn't use it for the yearbook it will stretch her mind and have her think out of the box, plus have valuable experiences with Grandpa. If she's been around you when you're clicking away then her interest may already be piqued.
You shouldn't paint all teenagers with one brush. I have five grandchildren who I see regularly and though they're from the same family they have different tastes, hobbies, career choices. But they're always eager to spend time with me as time permits. And some have dslrs!
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Nov 11, 2019 07:15:08   #
bruswen Loc: Eugene OR
 
ollie wrote:
Time for my granddaughter to get into photography ( on yearbook staff in high school) I'm going to give her my Nikon D7000 w/ 18 to 140 Nikon lens. Problem, what to replace it with ? I already have the D800 I use primarily for scenics and a D7100 w/ 80 - 400 for wildlife. The D7000 was my out in the woods hunting or out on the water fishing camera. I'm thinking of the D7500 w/ either an 18 - 140 or an 18 - 300. Thoughts ? from anyone with either combination of a better suggestion ? thanks
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The D7500 is Nikon's most well rounded APS-C body, it does everything well, if you can live with a single card slot. The 18-140mm lens is a decent kit lens. Together they make a pretty good combination that can handle 90% of what most people shoot. You will be pleasantly surprised stepping up from the D7000 or D7100. Autofocus, shooting speed, buffer and high ISO performance has improved from those models.

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Nov 11, 2019 07:34:50   #
Bob Mevis Loc: Plymouth, Indiana
 
I suggest the D500, it's awesome.

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Nov 11, 2019 07:44:05   #
JDG3
 
bsprague wrote:
You may not want my thoughts! You appear to be out of touch with today's highschool students. Based on personal experience with granddaughters doing the paper and year book, the the dominant workflow is with connected cameras called smart phones. Anything like a D7000 doesn't fit and could deem your granddaughter as an outcast in the social network. The team approach does not have one member on a Kawasaki road bike with the rest are peddling bicycles.

Secondly, if your granddaughter is interested in photography it will be her version of it. She needs to be picking out her tools, not taking your cast offs.

Social needs in that age group are intense. She is picking a group to join and fitting in can be precarious. Dangling a Nikon around her neck could be as strange as showing up wearing grandma's diamonds!
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Interesting thoughts but my experience is just the opposite. I recently completed several photography classes at the local university and in almost all the classes were high school age teenagers who wanted to know more about photography. I would assume most were serious because the requirement for the course was to have a dslr camera with exchangeable lenses. So most had purchased or borrowed a family member's camera.

Using cell phone cameras had instilled a desire to learn more of the technical aspect of photography so they could improve their skills. This was a group that already had the creative drive and talent but needed some technical help in actually being good photographers. Many of the shots in yearbooks are candid, on the spot photos that the cell phone excels at. However, many others are staged shots with preparation, props and composition where the dslr does the job better.

Many of the young people were on yearbook, school newspapers and even local newspaper staffs for local events and activities. They seemed to enjoy the "pro" status when it came to photography assignments and they were the ones packing actual dslrs.

Did they still depend heavily on the cell phone camera - yes and they will not give that up. BUT, they also recognize the value of a more capable camera.

So maybe it is the culture that your grand kids are in that discourages the use of non-cell phone cameras, but it is sure not evident in those I am seeing.

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Nov 11, 2019 07:50:16   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
digit-up wrote:
His opinion was HIS OPINION, with some thought put into expressing it. Simply something to be considered, and I appreciate him giving us the details of his CONCEPT. On the other hand, I personally have to agree with most OTHERS, that she has an interest in photography and would love to have gramps Nikon. If her fellow yearbookers“ go with their cell phones” she too can use her cell phone, BUT.... so far, cell phones aren’t superior to even the most weak DSLR. As I stated earlier, the guy had an opinion and took the time to exspress it, how good of him. He also seemed to know that his opinion would not be universally accepted. As my opinion may be considered outlandish?? Oh well!! Thanks for reading our thoughts regardless.......RJM
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I’m fine with him having an opinion and voicing it, but the critical tone was rather harsh and unnecessary.

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Nov 11, 2019 08:03:53   #
repleo Loc: Boston
 
ollie wrote:
Time for my granddaughter to get into photography ( on yearbook staff in high school) I'm going to give her my Nikon D7000 w/ 18 to 140 Nikon lens. Problem, what to replace it with ? I already have the D800 I use primarily for scenics and a D7100 w/ 80 - 400 for wildlife. The D7000 was my out in the woods hunting or out on the water fishing camera. I'm thinking of the D7500 w/ either an 18 - 140 or an 18 - 300. Thoughts ? from anyone with either combination of a better suggestion ? thanks
Time for my granddaughter to get into photography ... (show quote)


You still have two DSLRs. Why not try a mirrorless.

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Nov 11, 2019 08:10:53   #
Chadp Loc: Virginia Beach
 
bsprague wrote:
You may not want my thoughts! You appear to be out of touch with today's highschool students. Based on personal experience with granddaughters doing the paper and year book, the the dominant workflow is with connected cameras called smart phones. Anything like a D7000 doesn't fit and could deem your granddaughter as an outcast in the social network. The team approach does not have one member on a Kawasaki road bike with the rest are peddling bicycles.

Secondly, if your granddaughter is interested in photography it will be her version of it. She needs to be picking out her tools, not taking your cast offs.

Social needs in that age group are intense. She is picking a group to join and fitting in can be precarious. Dangling a Nikon around her neck could be as strange as showing up wearing grandma's diamonds!
You may not want my thoughts! You appear to be ou... (show quote)


Having two kids who recently graduated high school I can understand this perspective. I remember my son saying my Nikon makes me look like an old man when I brought it to a football game. I had to show him results and prove to him that his cell phone couldn’t match my Nikon. When it comes to technology, the current generation of high school kids think they are superior to anyone over 30.

The cell phone is the most important item. So first priority should be a cell phone with one of the best cameras. You don’t want others thinking she has the nikon because her cell phone is second rate. Also, WiFi connectivity is very important so photos can be immediately shared. There is a place for the Nikon, but the phone is #1 priority by far.

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Nov 11, 2019 08:12:22   #
yorkiebyte Loc: Scottsdale, AZ/Bandon by the Sea, OR
 
bsprague wrote:
You may not want my thoughts! You appear to be out of touch with today's highschool students. Based on personal experience with granddaughters doing the paper and year book, the the dominant workflow is with connected cameras called smart phones. Anything like a D7000 doesn't fit and could deem your granddaughter as an outcast in the social network. The team approach does not have one member on a Kawasaki road bike with the rest are peddling bicycles.

Secondly, if your granddaughter is interested in photography it will be her version of it. She needs to be picking out her tools, not taking your cast offs.

Social needs in that age group are intense. She is picking a group to join and fitting in can be precarious. Dangling a Nikon around her neck could be as strange as showing up wearing grandma's diamonds!
You may not want my thoughts! You appear to be ou... (show quote)



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Nov 11, 2019 08:20:19   #
Matt_F Loc: Wausau, Wisconsin
 
bsprague wrote:
You may not want my thoughts! You appear to be out of touch with today's highschool students. Based on personal experience with granddaughters doing the paper and year book, the the dominant workflow is with connected cameras called smart phones. Anything like a D7000 doesn't fit and could deem your granddaughter as an outcast in the social network. The team approach does not have one member on a Kawasaki road bike with the rest are peddling bicycles.

Secondly, if your granddaughter is interested in photography it will be her version of it. She needs to be picking out her tools, not taking your cast offs.

Social needs in that age group are intense. She is picking a group to join and fitting in can be precarious. Dangling a Nikon around her neck could be as strange as showing up wearing grandma's diamonds!
You may not want my thoughts! You appear to be ou... (show quote)


Good grief! Your comments on ollie's kindness to his granddaughter is complete hyperbole and totally uncalled for. Your acting like he ruined her life. If she doesn't want to use the camera, she'll leave it at home. It's not chained to her neck.
Ollie, I think that's really cool you gave your granddaughter your old camera. If your looking for a birder/wildlife camera, you can't go wrong with the d500. For lesser money the d7500 is also good.

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Nov 11, 2019 08:23:04   #
BebuLamar
 
So it's time to give the camera 5G.

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Nov 11, 2019 08:25:39   #
radiojohn
 
He is for real and is correct. It's like giving her a CD player and 80's bands on CD.

Today's younger people's concept of photography is changing.

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Nov 11, 2019 08:26:05   #
gessman Loc: Colorado
 
LOL, in UHH, some days you're "the dog" and some days you're "the bone."😁

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