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Sep 17, 2019 22:10:53   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
Maybe something worth waiting for, looks like it will be a mirrorless camera sometime next year.

https://www.canonrumors.com/patent-83mp-full-frame-image-sensor-from-canon/

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Sep 17, 2019 22:17:34   #
letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
Maybe something worth waiting for, looks like it will be a mirrorless camera sometime next year.

https://www.canonrumors.com/patent-83mp-full-frame-image-sensor-from-canon/


Might be nice, i can put up with a Mirrorless only if it has hi quality eye level viewer.

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Sep 17, 2019 22:17:53   #
PixelStan77 Loc: Vermont/Chicago
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
Maybe something worth waiting for, looks like it will be a mirrorless camera sometime next year.

https://www.canonrumors.com/patent-83mp-full-frame-image-sensor-from-canon/


And Nikon or Sony will be next with a 84 and 85mp full frame.

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Sep 17, 2019 22:26:51   #
Soul Dr. Loc: Beautiful Shenandoah Valley
 
Will the mp war never end? Are the lenses now available, able to provide enough resolution for these sensors?

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Sep 17, 2019 22:27:02   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
PixelStan77 wrote:
And Nikon or Sony will be next with a 84 and 85mp full frame.


Sony just came out with a 61mp camera so I would think that theirs will be a while off, what I want to know is how well these new cameras handle digital noise, I am hoping that there is more going on with the IQ in these cameras other than resolution.

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Sep 17, 2019 22:29:07   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
Soul Dr. wrote:
Will the mp war never end? Are the lenses now available, able to provide enough resolution for these sensors?


I have a few that will not be a problem, have been shooting with a 5DSR for a couple of years now and have made it a point to buy glass made for the higher resolution cameras.

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Sep 17, 2019 22:51:31   #
Mark Sturtevant Loc: Grand Blanc, MI
 
Interesting, but I can't get one. I wonder though about the relative merits of a camera with all those pixels versus a camera that is capable of doing 'pixel shifting'.

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Sep 17, 2019 22:55:24   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
Mark Sturtevant wrote:
Interesting, but I can't get one. I wonder though about the relative merits of a camera with all those pixels versus a camera that is capable of doing 'pixel shifting'.


Pixel shifting is not going to work for wildlife which is mostly what I want a high megapixel camera for. Birding often means cropping, the pixels become much more important.

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Sep 18, 2019 02:40:25   #
tjw47 Loc: Michigan
 
I do Landscapes - they do not move - Bought a Pentax K-1 ( Upgraded to K-1 Mark ii )

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Sep 18, 2019 11:47:31   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
Maybe something worth waiting for, looks like it will be a mirrorless camera sometime next year.

https://www.canonrumors.com/patent-83mp-full-frame-image-sensor-from-canon/


It is essentially similar to a 20MP Micro 4/3 sensor in terms of the sensel size, since a Micro 4/3 sensor is about 1/4 the surface area of a full frame sensor.

For a rough idea of the results you'll probably see (when you magnify the Canon image 2X larger on the diagonal than the Micro 4/3 image), go to dpreview and look up test reports on the 20MP Lumix G9 or Olympus OM-D E-M1 Mark II. The Canon 83MP chip won't be an incredible low light performer, but in good light, it should be outstanding!

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Sep 18, 2019 12:28:08   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
burkphoto wrote:
It is essentially similar to a 20MP Micro 4/3 sensor in terms of the sensel size, since a Micro 4/3 sensor is about 1/4 the surface area of a full frame sensor.

For a rough idea of the results you'll probably see (when you magnify the Canon image 2X larger on the diagonal than the Micro 4/3 image), go to dpreview and look up test reports on the 20MP Lumix G9 or Olympus OM-D E-M1 Mark II. The Canon 83MP chip won't be an incredible low light performer, but in good light, it should be outstanding!
It is essentially similar to a 20MP Micro 4/3 sens... (show quote)


Noise is a big concern for me, I have been shooting with a 5DSR for a few years now and I can definitely say that the 5DSR handles noise much better than the 7DII does. Because I shoot a lot of BIF cropping is inevitable and noise becomes a bigger issue when significant cropping takes place. I can say that even though the 5DIV has better focusing abilities and handles noise better than the 5DSR the 5DSR remains my birding camera because the image sharpness is outstanding and the noise levels are acceptable, the 5DSR is over 4 years old now so I am hoping that Canon has made improvements other than a lot of megapixels to the sensor. I still don't know why they stick with the low pass filter.

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Sep 18, 2019 14:16:38   #
speters Loc: Grangeville/Idaho
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
Maybe something worth waiting for, looks like it will be a mirrorless camera sometime next year.

https://www.canonrumors.com/patent-83mp-full-frame-image-sensor-from-canon/


That's the sensor they'll be putting in the new EOS Rs (its already listed in the specs)!

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Sep 18, 2019 14:58:26   #
charles tabb Loc: Richmond VA.
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
Pixel shifting is not going to work for wildlife which is mostly what I want a high megapixel camera for. Birding often means cropping, the pixels become much more important.



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Sep 18, 2019 15:35:36   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
Soul Dr. wrote:
Will the mp war never end? Are the lenses now available, able to provide enough resolution for these sensors?


I would like an answer to this question as well. I suspect that none of the lenses I use on my Nikon D810 really challenge the 36 mp sensor, but I don't own any of the high end lenses I see in discussions. Comments are welcome.

I routinely use a 50mm AF D, 24-120 F/4 VR, 28-105 AF D, 70-200 f/4 VR, 55mm f/2.8 AF Micro, and 55mm f/3.5 Micro manual focus. The worst of these lenses in terms of capturing detail is the 24-120 f/4VR. The 50, 55 and 70-200 lenses seem about equal, but I have no way of knowing if they're near the limit of the sensor. I might add that my 35mm f/2 AF D and 24mm f/2.8 AF D are nowhere near the other lenses in sharpness I don't even bother with them anymore. I know about the "trinity" lenses. I'm not going to spend that much money in retirement. I'm also not going to upgrade my camera at this point in my life. I'm really happy with it. I'd still like to hear opinions on this question.

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Sep 18, 2019 15:48:13   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
therwol wrote:
I would like an answer to this question as well. I suspect that none of the lenses I use on my Nikon D810 really challenge the 36 mp sensor, but I don't own any of the high end lenses I see in discussions. Comments are welcome.

I routinely use a 50mm AF D, 24-120 F/4 VR, 28-105 AF D, 70-200 f/4 VR, 55mm f/2.8 AF Micro, and 55mm f/3.5 Micro manual focus. The worst of these lenses in terms of capturing detail is the 24-120 f/4VR. The 50, 55 and 70-200 lenses seem about equal, but I have no way of knowing if they're near the limit of the sensor. I might add that my 35mm f/2 AF D and 24mm f/2.8 AF D are nowhere near the other lenses in sharpness I don't even bother with them anymore. I know about the "trinity" lenses. I'm not going to spend that much money in retirement. I'm also not going to upgrade my camera at this point in my life. I'm really happy with it. I'd still like to hear opinions on this question.
I would like an answer to this question as well. ... (show quote)


Not every camera is made for every photographer, after buying my 5DSR I have made it a point to try and buy the best lenses that I could afford spending as much as $4000 on a used lens, I have at least 5 or 6 lenses that I think would perform well on this camera but I have also purchased those lenses at the cost of not spending that money on other things such as travel a newer car etc.

Now Canon is coming out with lenses specifically made for their mirrorless cameras that have taken another huge jump in prices, I think that the L lenses for this camera other than the kit lens are retailing between $2000 and $3000, I don't see myself buying any of those, nor do I see myself spending anymore money on their big whites other than the lenses I already have.

These cameras are not going to be for everyone, but the manufacturers will go where the advancements in technology takes them, another thing that you might consider is for you to take full advantage of a 24mp crop camera you really need great lenses also, as the resolving power of a 24mp crop sensor is basically about the same as a 50+mp full frame sensor.

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