Wonderful article about "how to end war"
Sep 14, 2019 15:49:33 #
Los-Angeles-Shooter
Loc: Los Angeles
War Isn't Over Just Because You Want It To Be Over
by A.J. Caschetta
The Daily Wire
September 11, 2019
Last week's announcement that U.S.-led peace talks with the Taliban had been called off relieved many, but distressed others who were hoping for an end to our longest war. After a suicide bombing k**led 12 people on Thursday, September 5th, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo acknowledged that the Taliban failed to live up to its commitments. Trump tweeted: "What kind of people would k**l so many in order to seemingly strengthen their bargaining position?" Welcome to the Art of the Deal, Taliban-style.
Perhaps Trump is learning from his experiences with Israel's longest war with the Palestinians and the difficulty he has experienced with his "Deal of the Century" proposal. While each situation differs in some significant ways, both serve as illustrations that wars don't end when only one side wants it to end. Until one side wins and the other acknowledges defeat, a war will continue.
War doesn't end when only one side wants it to end.
The Trump administration's desire to "finally get the hell out of Afghanistan" might be an admirable one, but our departure before the Taliban has acknowledged its defeat will be interpreted as victory and embolden the group to return to its old ways. Though the Taliban and the Afghan ISIS groups are currently at least in part rivals, no one should preclude the possibility of a union between the two.
After the first Gulf War, enough Israelis believed that their war with the Palestinians could finally come to an end. But their generosity to the dispersed PLO, exiled to Tunisia, was interpreted as weakness and stupidity. The PLO exploited it to recruit a new generation of fighters — a generation they educated with their newfound autonomy. Palestinian terrorism escalated dramatically, both in the number and severity of attacks.
Soon after the talks with the Taliban were scuttled, word came out that there was a plan for members of the Taliban to join members of the Afghan government and U.S. representatives at Camp David. Some believed that having Taliban negotiators on U.S. soil on September 11th, 2019 would be worse than "bad optics" — their presence would defile the venerable retreat in Maryland. But here too, the PLO's Yasser Arafat had already accomplished that feat, soiling the grounds with his presence in 2000. During the Clinton presidency, Arafat spent more time in the White House than any other foreign "leader."
Inviting bad actors, even those with American blood on their hands, is acceptable only after they have been defeated and have acknowledged their defeat. Until both the Taliban and whomever the Palestinians choose as their leaders acknowledge their defeat, their presence should not be tolerated on U.S. or Israeli soil, respectively.
Perhaps neither our war against the Taliban nor Israel's war against the PLO/PA/Hamas is actually winnable. But both are certainly lose-able.
A complete pullout of all U.S. troops and advisors from Afghanistan will be celebrated from Kandahar to Quetta as a Taliban victory. Recall how Taliban propagandists compared Obama to Gorbachev when the new U.S. president simultaneously announced both a troop surge and a subsequent date for their departure from Afghanistan.
The time to talk peace comes when the Taliban and the Palestinians acknowledge their defeat.
Likewise, any Israeli offer of more accommodations, cash, and autonomy to the PLO/PA/Hamas will be seen as weakness and will be exploited. Recall Arafat's not so-secret messages to the Palestinian critics of Oslo that the "peace process" would buy them time to gain strength and continue the fight.
For American and Israeli lawmakers, the time to talk about peace will only come when the Taliban and the Palestinians feel their defeat and believe that they have better options than continuing to fight. Until then, the best we can hope for is a managed conflict, limiting our own casualties, and inflicting more severe casualties on our enemies.
A.J. Caschetta is a Ginsberg-Ingerman fellow at the Middle East Forum and a principal lecturer in the English Department of the Rochester Institute of Technology.
by A.J. Caschetta
The Daily Wire
September 11, 2019
Last week's announcement that U.S.-led peace talks with the Taliban had been called off relieved many, but distressed others who were hoping for an end to our longest war. After a suicide bombing k**led 12 people on Thursday, September 5th, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo acknowledged that the Taliban failed to live up to its commitments. Trump tweeted: "What kind of people would k**l so many in order to seemingly strengthen their bargaining position?" Welcome to the Art of the Deal, Taliban-style.
Perhaps Trump is learning from his experiences with Israel's longest war with the Palestinians and the difficulty he has experienced with his "Deal of the Century" proposal. While each situation differs in some significant ways, both serve as illustrations that wars don't end when only one side wants it to end. Until one side wins and the other acknowledges defeat, a war will continue.
War doesn't end when only one side wants it to end.
The Trump administration's desire to "finally get the hell out of Afghanistan" might be an admirable one, but our departure before the Taliban has acknowledged its defeat will be interpreted as victory and embolden the group to return to its old ways. Though the Taliban and the Afghan ISIS groups are currently at least in part rivals, no one should preclude the possibility of a union between the two.
After the first Gulf War, enough Israelis believed that their war with the Palestinians could finally come to an end. But their generosity to the dispersed PLO, exiled to Tunisia, was interpreted as weakness and stupidity. The PLO exploited it to recruit a new generation of fighters — a generation they educated with their newfound autonomy. Palestinian terrorism escalated dramatically, both in the number and severity of attacks.
Soon after the talks with the Taliban were scuttled, word came out that there was a plan for members of the Taliban to join members of the Afghan government and U.S. representatives at Camp David. Some believed that having Taliban negotiators on U.S. soil on September 11th, 2019 would be worse than "bad optics" — their presence would defile the venerable retreat in Maryland. But here too, the PLO's Yasser Arafat had already accomplished that feat, soiling the grounds with his presence in 2000. During the Clinton presidency, Arafat spent more time in the White House than any other foreign "leader."
Inviting bad actors, even those with American blood on their hands, is acceptable only after they have been defeated and have acknowledged their defeat. Until both the Taliban and whomever the Palestinians choose as their leaders acknowledge their defeat, their presence should not be tolerated on U.S. or Israeli soil, respectively.
Perhaps neither our war against the Taliban nor Israel's war against the PLO/PA/Hamas is actually winnable. But both are certainly lose-able.
A complete pullout of all U.S. troops and advisors from Afghanistan will be celebrated from Kandahar to Quetta as a Taliban victory. Recall how Taliban propagandists compared Obama to Gorbachev when the new U.S. president simultaneously announced both a troop surge and a subsequent date for their departure from Afghanistan.
The time to talk peace comes when the Taliban and the Palestinians acknowledge their defeat.
Likewise, any Israeli offer of more accommodations, cash, and autonomy to the PLO/PA/Hamas will be seen as weakness and will be exploited. Recall Arafat's not so-secret messages to the Palestinian critics of Oslo that the "peace process" would buy them time to gain strength and continue the fight.
For American and Israeli lawmakers, the time to talk about peace will only come when the Taliban and the Palestinians feel their defeat and believe that they have better options than continuing to fight. Until then, the best we can hope for is a managed conflict, limiting our own casualties, and inflicting more severe casualties on our enemies.
A.J. Caschetta is a Ginsberg-Ingerman fellow at the Middle East Forum and a principal lecturer in the English Department of the Rochester Institute of Technology.
Sep 15, 2019 14:47:49 #
peace in the middle east ? never gonna happen. war is a way of life over there. the compromises necessary will not happen.
Sep 15, 2019 22:31:35 #
bull drink water wrote:
peace in the middle east ? never gonna happen. war is a way of life over there. the compromises necessary will not happen.
Especially not with the US meddling in the politics and indiscriminately bombing the residents.
Sep 15, 2019 22:33:26 #
jcboy3 wrote:
Especially not with the US meddling in the politics and indiscriminately bombing the residents.
Why do you lie continuously?
Sep 15, 2019 22:44:44 #
Sep 15, 2019 22:46:24 #
Sep 15, 2019 22:56:17 #
Sep 15, 2019 22:57:32 #
Los-Angeles-Shooter wrote:
War Isn't Over Just Because You Want It To Be Over... (show quote)
War ends when one side gives up.
Sep 16, 2019 07:52:17 #
Elaine2025
Loc: Seattle, Wa
EyeSawYou wrote:
Why do you lie continuously?
Because lies are all he has.
Sep 16, 2019 07:52:55 #
Sep 16, 2019 08:11:12 #
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Sep 16, 2019 09:25:05 #
Elaine2025
Loc: Seattle, Wa
jcboy3 wrote:
Elaine2025 wrote:
Thank you for showing I have no intelligence.
YOUR WELCOME!
Thank you for showing I have no intelligence.
YOUR WELCOME!
I have submitted your post along with my original post to Admin.
It is fascinating that you f**e posts and lie and you are not phased by it. You have to F**E posts to have someone be in support of you. Let’s see how long Admin wants to deal with your lies and dishonesty.
Sep 16, 2019 09:29:03 #
Elaine2025 wrote:
Blah blah blah blah...blah blah blah.
You don't get to make the rules, whiny whiny Ewainey. Thppt!
Sep 16, 2019 09:44:14 #
There is one question to be answered, though. When do we say that the interests of the U.S. have been met and we should just let the Afghan warring interests battle it out amongst themselves, i.e., self-determination?
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