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Aug 24, 2019 21:39:20   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
rook2c4 wrote:
If the "flaws" are deliberate, are they really flaws? To suggest there is only one correct way to shoot a scene and anything that deviates from this presumed ideal (be it exposure, focus, composition, or tonal rendition) should be considered an error, also removes photography as a form of unrestrained and truly free artistic expression.


Photographers often do intentionally break the "rules" in a creative way. But it also happens sometimes that an actual mistake is made, and that ends up somehow working in the photographer's favor. I think photography is the only art medium where you can "luck" into a masterpiece.

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Aug 24, 2019 22:04:07   #
srt101fan
 
bleirer wrote:
I think just as there are different kinds of intelligence, there are different photography 'Q's Certainly image quality, IQ, but also EQ, emotional quality, Content is everything if it is singular, unique, and important. Just thinking of some indelible shots, Oswald being killed, Robert Kennedy being cradled, that Lange dust bowl picture of the migrant woman, the "napalm girl", earth from space, the list goes on and on, some have poor IQ but enough EQ to make up for it.


Great way to think about content....I wonder if there are other "Q"s that might be used to describe photographs!?

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Aug 24, 2019 22:08:19   #
srt101fan
 
AndyH wrote:
If I didn’t mention it earlier, I do want to emphasize that I really, really like the “nun” shot. In whatever version or edit, it’s an outstanding shot.

Andy


Thanks Andy!

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Aug 24, 2019 22:19:16   #
srt101fan
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
You have cropped to a fascinating story: juxtaposition of lifestyles. Really cool! I think R.G.'s edits in your PP Forum topic are fantastic. I like his crop, though I think the visual isn't as interesting with the woman following the nuns up the ramp. You could practice cloning (erase her existence!), though the result might be too unbalanced. Something to consider. As is a flip (using R.G.'s edit)


Thanks Linda; I appreciate your encouraging comments!

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Aug 24, 2019 23:26:28   #
srt101fan
 
dustie wrote:
For a constructive comment: thank you for opening this topic.

From there on, I don't know if I can pose a good answer, because I have too many questions.

For several reasons, I do not have much confidence in being around many people, especially not for making photographs, because I have so little experience in photography. How can I possibly make a photo which tells a human interest story which could possibly outweigh the technical flaws of the photo, if I have not the confidence to be in the necessary evironment to do that?

Seeing the technical excellence of photos made by others, makes me want to match what they produce, but I can't on two fronts:
-- I lack the knowledge, skill and experience, but I keep reading and practicing to hopefully change that.
-- I do not have equipment capable of matching the technical quality that the equipment of others can produce, nor do I have the means to acquire better equipment any time in the forseeable future. Should I be concerned at this point that not that much of what I do will grab attention, if the technical perfection which I cannot produce is the key to worthy photos?

If it is true that a picture is worth a thousand words, how can improvement be made in finding a means to make the photos I do make tell a story someone may stop to read?
For a constructive comment: thank you for opening ... (show quote)


Hi Dustie, glad you stopped by and commented. The first question you raised about feeling confident taking pictures of people is a tough one. For some photographers that's a lot easier than for others. I never felt comfortable photographing people, even family, except when the kids and grand kids were small (after a certain age they just acted goofy in front of the camera!)

The knowledge, skill and experience part you mentioned does require practice. Look for subjects that grab your attention and keep at it. You seem to imply that making attention-grabbing technically excellent photos requires fancy equipment. Not true. You can take great photos with your phone. The difference is that the folks with the fancier gear can take great pictures of some subjects and in some shooting scenarios were lesser gear might fall short. So with your present equipment you might be somewhat limited in what you can shoot but that shouldn't keep you from learning and getting the most out of your gear.

So, for the time being, forget about what others are doing, find your own interests, keep at it and learn, and enjoy the wonderful world of photography....

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Aug 24, 2019 23:49:12   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
srt101fan wrote:
Hi Dustie, glad you stopped by and commented. The first question you raised about feeling confident taking pictures of people is a tough one. For some photographers that's a lot easier than for others. I never felt comfortable photographing people, even family, except when the kids and grand kids were small (after a certain age they just acted goofy in front of the camera!)

So, for the time being, forget about what others are doing, find your own interests, keep at it and learn, and enjoy the wonderful world of photography....
Hi Dustie, glad you stopped by and commented. The... (show quote)
My brother shoots with his articulated LCD pointed upward on the expectation that people will think he is looking down to adjust settings rather that photographing them; I find that a flippy LCD works even better because it hides behind the camera body. In recent years I’ve taken lots of photographs of photographers - they are so busy focusing on their subjects that they don’t think of themselves as subjects.
https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-410092-1.html

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Aug 25, 2019 06:57:46   #
Peterfiore Loc: Where DR goes south
 
Probably the best example. Hot developer caused the emulsion to slide. Just a few shots were salvaged. In this case it was an enhancement. Oh and it won a Pulitzer.



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Aug 25, 2019 07:28:43   #
chrisg-optical Loc: New York, NY
 
Ysarex wrote:
You only have to browse through this collection for an answer: http://100photos.time.com

Joe


I found this video on "Windblown Jackie" paparazzi photographer Galella interesting - getting great shots often goes beyond the technical side of photography - logistics, planning, pushing limits, doing the unconventional, and of course having a great subject and catching the right/ defining moment helps. There was much grain in those photos...not to mention resolution that pales compared to today's digital, but art/subject/moment can make up for much.

http://100photos.time.com/photos/ron-galella-windblown-jackie

Also liked the moon shots, Ali knockout, Vietnam, and others in the 100 series.

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Aug 25, 2019 07:29:36   #
khorinek
 
srt101fan wrote:
Somewhere I saw photographic “content” defined as the “subject, topic or information captured in a photograph”, the “subject” being “the main object or person(s)” in the image.

We see a lot of discussion of the importance of sharpness, exposure and composition of an image but I’ve seen relatively little talk of content. How important is content relative to the technical merit of a photograph? What does it take for the content of a photograph to cause viewers to overlook technical deficiencies?

I believe content is the most important attribute of a photograph. In my view, sharpness, perfect exposure, composition, etc, as important as they are, are of no value if a photograph doesn’t have a content that grabs the viewer. On the other hand, there is a limit to how many technical flaws a viewer can tolerate before even great content becomes irrelevant. I’m interested in your views on this. Feel free to post any images you think might help illustrate this topic. I will do so in my next post.

I appreciate any constructive comments you might have.
Somewhere I saw photographic “content” defined as ... (show quote)


When I worked at the newspaper, we did several studies regarding this topic. What we found was a story was 60% more likely to be read if it contained a good photograph. A marginal photo was often times overlooked or not given much viewership at all. The photo "sells" the story, the story does not sell the photo, they can compliment each other though as the photo can complete a story, "a picture is worth a thousand words".

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Aug 25, 2019 07:33:25   #
Collhar Loc: New York City.
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Both your examples show you didn't read nor understand anything I said ...


Or he didn't think it was important.

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Aug 25, 2019 07:47:48   #
berchman Loc: South Central PA
 
Ysarex wrote:
You only have to browse through this collection for an answer: http://100photos.time.com

Joe


Thanks for this resource. The discussions of each photograph are very enlightening.

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Aug 25, 2019 08:04:38   #
bkwaters
 
srt101fan wrote:
Somewhere I saw photographic “content” defined as the “subject, topic or information captured in a photograph”, the “subject” being “the main object or person(s)” in the image.

We see a lot of discussion of the importance of sharpness, exposure and composition of an image but I’ve seen relatively little talk of content. How important is content relative to the technical merit of a photograph? What does it take for the content of a photograph to cause viewers to overlook technical deficiencies?

I believe content is the most important attribute of a photograph. In my view, sharpness, perfect exposure, composition, etc, as important as they are, are of no value if a photograph doesn’t have a content that grabs the viewer. On the other hand, there is a limit to how many technical flaws a viewer can tolerate before even great content becomes irrelevant. I’m interested in your views on this. Feel free to post any images you think might help illustrate this topic. I will do so in my next post.

I appreciate any constructive comments you might have.
Somewhere I saw photographic “content” defined as ... (show quote)


I agree with you. Great content outweighs minor technical imperfections. But a boring subject never makes for a good photo.

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Aug 25, 2019 08:07:47   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
That depends. If you're taking the picture to get a point across, almost any defect would be excusable. War-time photos don't have to be technically perfect to get an idea across. On the other hand, if you are trying to present a beautiful picture that carries a message, then the picture should be beautiful and technically sound. There are many variables when taking a picture that tells a story.

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Aug 25, 2019 08:23:32   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
bkwaters wrote:
I agree with you. Great content outweighs minor technical imperfections. But a boring subject never makes for a good photo.


Would a bell pepper be a boring subject? How about a toilet? Both subjects of classic photographs by Edward Weston.

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Aug 25, 2019 08:24:13   #
mizzee Loc: Boston,Ma
 
i think it depends on the flaws. If the flaws are distracting enough to take the viewer off the content and story, then the image failed and belongs on the trash heap. Sometimes the flaws become the story, but more often than not destroy the story. Someone else here mentioned "soul" and I think that's a good way to think about it. Flaws can strip the the soul.

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