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Aug 13, 2019 12:29:53   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
JohnSwanda wrote:
Not for me either. I've used Photoshop since the first version, and it's cheaper now than ever.


Oh no it isn't

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Aug 13, 2019 12:32:25   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
cbtsam wrote:
You like a ball-peen better than a sledge?


Well nothing beats a sledge! The sledge is the Medium Format of hammers. Heck! It is the Large Format of Hammers (unless you include a jack hammer, but I am just not sure this new newfangled technology will ever catch on.)

Honestly, I just do not think my hammer skills are up to a sledge! I mean do you know how good you have to be with a sledge to tack a picture to a wall? I have tried! My wife took my sledge away!

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Aug 13, 2019 12:34:24   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
Delderby wrote:
Oh no it isn't


Really!?!?

The annual subscription cost is more than the cost of buying PS and LR out right and then having to upgrade every year or two to stay current?

I think you need to go back to remedial math.

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Aug 13, 2019 12:37:23   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
I wouldn't describe it as a "hateful subscription service that bleeds you of funds every month". There are other costs to life that are larger (e.g. sales tax). The cost is minimal for what you get in return. And since I use the software, the cost is directly associated with my activities, unlike that sales tax, which supports governmental activities that benefit me, but less directly.

The other part of your post has a ring of truth. I am loyal to Adobe in part because, having spent the effort to learn LR/PS in fair detail, I have other demands on the time I have available for photography and learning new things. The Adobe software works for me, as an amateur, at what I consider a minimal cost. Any hobby has some costs. At least I don't play golf or maintain a boat. And what would I gain from applying the effort to switch? I have not identified a problem that I have to solve.
I wouldn't describe it as a "hateful subscrip... (show quote)


Principles e.g. "i will not be scammed"

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Aug 13, 2019 12:55:06   #
photoman022 Loc: Manchester CT USA
 
This is not a survey

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Aug 13, 2019 13:01:27   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
dsmeltz wrote:
Really!?!?

The annual subscription cost is more than the cost of buying PS and LR out right and then having to upgrade every year or two to stay current?

I think you need to go back to remedial math.


Hypothesis. Most subscribers will never need the upgrades.

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Aug 13, 2019 13:11:44   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
burkphoto wrote:
One of the wonderful things about the modern world is that we have choices. What works for one person in one set of circumstances may not work for others in other circumstances. Thankfully, most of us can find nearly the precise tools for most of the needs we encounter!

The success of a particular software package is influenced by many factors:

Ease of use
Cost and licensing model
Functionality
Brand reputation
History
Universality (how many operating systems?)
Availability of training and education
Quality of support
Reviews by experts
Suitability for a user's particular purposes

...and so on.

So... To posit that a particular software application is "da bomb" or the current "in vogue" choice is a bit naive. It's about like telling a veteran carpenter or plumber that a Nissan Sentra is all he needs for a daily driver. He'll laugh in your face as he gets in his pickup or panel van.

Fortunately, for most needs these days, there's the Internet, with its wonderful search engines and forums and video repositories. Do a little research if you want to learn about a particular topic — any topic. Yes, caveat emptor (let the buyer beware). But if you visit a range of sites and search the commentaries for thematic similarities, you'll probably find a safe, appropriate choice.
One of the wonderful things about the modern world... (show quote)

I think you left out quality of output. The output of some post processing software is often superior to others.

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Aug 13, 2019 13:13:32   #
truckster Loc: Tampa Bay Area
 
cyclespeed wrote:
Spend less time and get great results taxing AI not your own brain for the minutia of options in many other programs such as LR and PS, Luminar is it for me!


Photoshop for me is like driving a Lotus Esprit (sp) when all I need is sedan. I would never need to use it to its full potential ... since I own MAC products I tried Luminar ... liked it and just upgraded from ver 1 to Ver 3

Works for me ... couldn't care less what's best ... I just like what I need.

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Aug 13, 2019 13:16:10   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
Delderby wrote:
Hypothesis. Most subscribers will never need the upgrades.


Faulty Hypothesis.

Due to rapidly changing technology, most will need to upgrade within two years.

This is why the subscription program has worked so well.

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Aug 13, 2019 13:23:30   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
dsmeltz wrote:
Faulty Hypothesis.

Due to rapidly changing technology, most will need to upgrade within two years.

This is why the subscription program has worked so well.


While that may be true for you, me and others, its not true for everyone. There seems to be a lot of folks here happily using LR5.7 and CS5 for instance. Many are also light users who only take advantage of a fraction of the functionality they currently have.

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Aug 13, 2019 13:35:57   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
dsmeltz wrote:
Faulty Hypothesis.

Due to rapidly changing technology, most will need to upgrade within two years.

This is why the subscription program has worked so well.


Are we talking upgrades or updates?

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Aug 13, 2019 13:50:46   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
mwsilvers wrote:
While that may be true for you, me and others, its not true for everyone. There seems to be a lot of folks here happily using LR5.7 and CS5 for instance. Many are also light users who only take advantage of a fraction of the functionality they currently have.


Which is why I used the word "most" and not all.

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Aug 13, 2019 13:55:12   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
Delderby wrote:
Are we talking upgrades or updates?


Upgrades. Back in the day the updates were free until the next upgrade was released. Then they hit you for the upgrade. You could get by with an occasional update for an extra year (usually), but around the two year mark most were upgrading to get the new features. A few upgraded every year and a few stuck with an old version as long as they could convince themselves they did not really need or want any more. But eventually something, be it a new unsupported camera, lens or computer, would drive them to upgrade.

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Aug 13, 2019 14:03:19   #
Bill P
 
lamiaceae wrote:
Nope, not for me, I need not look further.

PHOTOSHOP & ACR !

(you asked)


I've tried a lot of alternatives, so many I've forgotten all the names. I don't remember if one was Affinity, but what I can say for certain is that alternatives may offer some one feature, but that comes with the price of a lot of extra work in learning unfamiliar software for only the very occasional use, and some not significant cost.

I rely on PS, ACR and Bridge exclusively. I tried lightroom, and found that I did't need DAM and whatever else LR provided wasn't as good as PS. And above all, I found it inexcusable that when developing LR, Adobe chose to make everything have a different name, or be in a different location or both. It was a constant game of where's the cheese.

I think the subscription thing is just convenient monthly payments vs. the big cost of annual of semi-annual upgrades.

For those of you that do everything in post, you may wish a different approach.

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Aug 13, 2019 14:09:23   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
dsmeltz wrote:
Which is why I used the word "most" and not all.

To be honest, I doubt that even a majority of the users who keep there software current, like the subscription versions of Lightroom and Photoshop, use much more than a fraction of the functionality. Most folks on this site don't even seem to know half of the features of their own cameras.

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