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Switching from a crop sensor to a full frame
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Jul 21, 2019 12:15:34   #
pila
 
CO wrote:
You should have both cropped sensor and full frame. I have both a cropped sensor Nikon D500 and a full frame Nikon D750. I'll use the full frame if I'm going for a more shallow depth of field. I'll use the cropped sensor if I'm going for a deeper depth of field.

A 45mm lens on a full frame camera produces a perspective close to what the human eye sees. A 30mm lens on a 1.5x cropped sensor camera gives the same perspective and field of view (as long as you stay at the same spot) but the depth of field will be deeper.
You should have both cropped sensor and full frame... (show quote)


I have the same equipment.
Considering purchasing Tokina 50mm and tamron 24-70mm g.
Extremely happy with both cameras.
Pila

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Jul 21, 2019 13:10:21   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
My first DSLR was an FX format. I upgraded that to another and then another. For grins, I purchased a used DX camera just to use it and see what's up with DX format. One day of shooting and it sits on a shelf. I love the larger format cameras, but then I also shoot medium and large format.
--Bob
Hans2675 wrote:
Hi, I'm questioning if I should sell my Canon 80d for a used 6d full frame. I'm perfectly happy with the 80d and the crop sensor and I also don't feel like it's limiting me yet in my photography. Just considering it because of most of the things I read when it comes to Focal lengths seem to always be in regards to full frame cameras. For example this lens and Focal length is best for portraits or this Focal length for landscapes. I'm well aware I can use a smaller length to compensate for the 1.6 crop to to equal a suggested length, but just feel like the availability isn't there and I'm beginning to look at higher end lenses "L" lenses and feel like they'd be best suited with a full frame. Photography is definitely something I'm going to continue to do and may quite possibly pursue as a career in the future. Right now mostly take landscapes and street photography, but would like to begin to dabble and learn some portraiture. Selling my 80d and buying a used 6d with a low shutter count would basically be an even trade for me. Thanks in advance for everyone's help.
Hi, I'm questioning if I should sell my Canon 80d ... (show quote)

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Jul 21, 2019 13:15:48   #
dick ranez
 
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

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Jul 21, 2019 13:16:38   #
dick ranez
 
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

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Jul 21, 2019 13:22:38   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA
 
bleirer wrote:
Full frame is crop relative to medium format and medium format is crop relative to 4 x 5 and 4 x5 is crop relative to 8 x 10. It's become the standard to make it relative to 35mm film. No big deal.


Yeaaa, that's true. Tangential, but true.

So is it contrived???

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Jul 21, 2019 13:56:30   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
khorinek wrote:
They will mount, but you will only see a small round hole through the view finder.


The discussion is about lenses on two dslr bodies, one FF, one APS-C. So the fact that an EF-S lens will mount on an R body with adapter is not relevant to the discussion.
Third party lenses use the EF mount on both their FF and APS-C lenses. (at least Tamron and Sigma do, maybe someone makes lenses with the Canon EF-S mount but I have never seen one)

As I stated third party, in this case Tamron 10-24 for APS-C, will mount on a Canon FF body (sample shots are on a 6D). And in the case of this wide angle zoom it is usable on the FF at some settings. Some of the shots have the hood on the lens, some do not, one shot in the middle of the string is the lens on an APS-C (7DII) to show the difference with the same zoom on both bodies. This is the widest zoom at which the lens is usable on the 6D without cropping.

Why did I pick those zoom settings? Simple, those are the ones marked on the lens body by the zoom ring.

So, this APS-C lens with EF mount (Tamron designed it so there is no chance of mirror lens damage) will mount on a Canon FF dslr/6D and it is not a small circle when seen through the viewfinder or on the image and in this case once I got to 14 mm the shots are usable without cropping.

In the Canon brand I have owned/do own and used extensively the: 6D, 7DII, 80D, 5DIV

I am considering a D50 with two lens kit to replace my superzoom/bridge as my lightweight camera for when I don't want to or can't carry a dslr and bag. With the 55-200 EF-M it will fit in the cargo pockets of my old jungle fatigues. Add the adapter and all my other lenses will work with it.
10 mm on 6D, with hood, usable only with a major crop
10 mm on 6D, with hood, usable only with a major c...
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10 mm on 6D, no hood, usable only with a major crop
10 mm on 6D, no hood, usable only with a major cro...
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13 mm ib 6D, with hood, usable with moderate crop
13 mm ib 6D, with hood, usable with moderate crop...
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13 mm on 6D, no hood, usable with moderate crop
13 mm on 6D, no hood, usable with moderate crop...
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14 mm on 7DII
14 mm on 7DII...
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14 mm on 6D, no hood, usable
14 mm on 6D, no hood, usable...
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15 mm on 6D, no hood, usable
15 mm on 6D, no hood, usable...
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18 mm on 6D, hood made no difference, usable
18 mm on 6D, hood made no difference, usable...
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20 mm on 6D, hood made no difference, useable
20 mm on 6D, hood made no difference, useable...
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24 mm on 6D, hood made no difference, usable
24 mm on 6D, hood made no difference, usable...
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Jul 21, 2019 14:07:04   #
Bill P
 
Don't read so much. Shoot more. What you are reading is intended primarily to separate you from your money. Don't fall victim.

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Jul 21, 2019 14:09:20   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA
 
Bill P wrote:
Don't read so much. Shoot more. What you are reading is intended primarily to separate you from your money. Don't fall victim.

To what comment was your reply?

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Jul 21, 2019 14:15:53   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
Longshadow wrote:
To what comment was your reply?


I would say the first post by the OP.

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Jul 21, 2019 14:34:58   #
Dahveed Loc: Minneapolis
 
I added a 6DII so I could use a 50mm lens for portraits in small spaces. It made otherwise difficult setups possible.

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Jul 21, 2019 14:57:34   #
LFingar Loc: Claverack, NY
 
DeanS wrote:
Some Canon cameras will shoot EF-S lens, by changing sensor aspect ratio to aps-c format. My 5D sr and RP will switch automatically when a Canon crop lens is mounted, but req manual switch through the menu when third party crop lens is mounted. I don’t shoot crop lens on my ff bodies however.


EF-s lens on a full frame Canon DSLR? No, not according to Canon. Canon builds their EF-s lenses specifically so that they will not mount on FF bodies although I have seen mention of 1 or 2 that will mount. Your 5DSR will allow you to shoot in simulated 1.3 and 1.6 crop factor though. Cropping in-camera can improve subject tracking which is one reason they make it available.

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Jul 21, 2019 15:35:21   #
bwana Loc: Bergen, Alberta, Canada
 
Hans2675 wrote:
Hi, I'm questioning if I should sell my Canon 80d for a used 6d full frame. I'm perfectly happy with the 80d and the crop sensor and I also don't feel like it's limiting me yet in my photography. Just considering it because of most of the things I read when it comes to Focal lengths seem to always be in regards to full frame cameras. For example this lens and Focal length is best for portraits or this Focal length for landscapes. I'm well aware I can use a smaller length to compensate for the 1.6 crop to to equal a suggested length, but just feel like the availability isn't there and I'm beginning to look at higher end lenses "L" lenses and feel like they'd be best suited with a full frame. Photography is definitely something I'm going to continue to do and may quite possibly pursue as a career in the future. Right now mostly take landscapes and street photography, but would like to begin to dabble and learn some portraiture. Selling my 80d and buying a used 6d with a low shutter count would basically be an even trade for me. Thanks in advance for everyone's help.
Hi, I'm questioning if I should sell my Canon 80d ... (show quote)

The 6D is a great full frame camera (and this from a now solely Sony shooter). Good low light performance.

Full frame lenses will cost you considerably more than crop mode lenses; however, "L" lenses are good glass!

Enjoy!

bwa

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Jul 21, 2019 15:44:07   #
DeanS Loc: Capital City area of North Carolina
 
LFingar wrote:
EF-s lens on a full frame Canon DSLR? No, not according to Canon. Canon builds their EF-s lenses specifically so that they will not mount on FF bodies although I have seen mention of 1 or 2 that will mount. Your 5DSR will allow you to shoot in simulated 1.3 and 1.6 crop factor though. Cropping in-camera can improve subject tracking which is one reason they make it available.


Please re-read my post. I have a 5D sr and an RP, both ff bodies, they both allow ef-s and third party lens to mount. If the lens is a Canon ef-s, they both switch to crop mode automatically. If the lens is third party, the switch must be accomplished manually through the menu.

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Jul 21, 2019 15:53:30   #
bwana Loc: Bergen, Alberta, Canada
 
DeanS wrote:
Please re-read my post. I have a 5D sr and an RP, both ff bodies, they both allow ef-s and third party lens to mount. If the lens is a Canon ef-s, they both switch to crop mode automatically. If the lens is third party, the switch must be accomplished manually through the menu.

EF-S lenses will mount on full frame bodies but several Canon bodies have mirrors that hit the extension on an EF-S lens. Not good for the mirror!!

bwa

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Jul 21, 2019 15:55:26   #
sirlensalot Loc: Arizona
 
I added a 6D and kept my old 7D. I purchased it used after finding a need for a camera that did better in low light than my old 5D and of course the 7D. I was not impressed with the low light capability of the 6D, but in fairness to the camera was using a 70-200 f/4 for most of the shots and the 85/1.8 for closer work. I did some stage photography with them. The 7D proved useless as expected, the 5D was marginal at best requiring PP noise reduction for every image, but the colors were superb. My Sony a6000 with a 50/1.8 proved to be the star of the show. Canons are built like tanks and the AF and AF tracking is #1 in my book, but they fail to impress in low light for my needs. Perhaps you will find it adequate or even great for your use and style. IMO - for most of us mere mortals, Canon has two models that have become the standard for "overall" use. The 5D Mk III for FF and the 80D for APS-C. I would retain the 80D and buy a lens or two. Best of luck.

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