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Switching from a crop sensor to a full frame
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Jul 21, 2019 09:10:09   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, IN, USA
 
sloscheider wrote:
Really? I though Canons lenses were interchangeable - A friend of mine uses an L series 80-200 (or equivalent) on her aps-c canon so I had assumed you could use the crop lenses on a full frame as well - yes I know there would be limitations just curious is this assumption is wrong.

With Canon, you can use full frame lenses on an APS-C body, but not APS-C lenses on a full frame body.

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Jul 21, 2019 09:11:18   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA
 
rehess wrote:
With Canon, you can use full frame lenses on an APS-C body, but not APS-C lenses on a full frame body.


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Jul 21, 2019 09:12:10   #
DeanS Loc: Capital City area of North Carolina
 
sloscheider wrote:
Really? I though Canons lenses were interchangeable - A friend of mine uses an L series 80-200 (or equivalent) on her aps-c canon so I had assumed you could use the crop lenses on a full frame as well - yes I know there would be limitations just curious is this assumption is wrong.


Some Canon cameras will shoot EF-S lens, by changing sensor aspect ratio to aps-c format. My 5D sr and RP will switch automatically when a Canon crop lens is mounted, but req manual switch through the menu when third party crop lens is mounted. I don’t shoot crop lens on my ff bodies however.

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Jul 21, 2019 09:30:52   #
Phrostbyte
 
I’m a grizzled old camera buff and the only reason I can think of for putting out large sums of money for FF is if you make large prints ...(EVERYTHING) in full frame is more expensive, heavier and well bigger! If you find the image on your computer screen looks great, remember that it is probably displaying at well under 4 million pixels so even with an APSC sensor your well into overkill. If you normally publish to net apps, APSC is plenty. Some of the newer FF sensors that are going north of 40 million pixels will allow for more cropping but again, that luxury comes at a price 😀

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Jul 21, 2019 09:41:44   #
BebuLamar
 
If it works fine for you then you have no reason to switch to FF. However, I never bought a crop camera only for the reason that it has no crop factor. Although the crop factor is an artificially invented term it causes a lot of confusion.

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Jul 21, 2019 09:43:55   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
Hans2675 wrote:
Hi, I'm questioning if I should sell my Canon 80d for a used 6d full frame. I'm perfectly happy with the 80d and the crop sensor and I also don't feel like it's limiting me yet in my photography. Just considering it because of most of the things I read when it comes to Focal lengths seem to always be in regards to full frame cameras. For example this lens and Focal length is best for portraits or this Focal length for landscapes. I'm well aware I can use a smaller length to compensate for the 1.6 crop to to equal a suggested length, but just feel like the availability isn't there and I'm beginning to look at higher end lenses "L" lenses and feel like they'd be best suited with a full frame. Photography is definitely something I'm going to continue to do and may quite possibly pursue as a career in the future. Right now mostly take landscapes and street photography, but would like to begin to dabble and learn some portraiture. Selling my 80d and buying a used 6d with a low shutter count would basically be an even trade for me. Thanks in advance for everyone's help.
Hi, I'm questioning if I should sell my Canon 80d ... (show quote)


Going from 80D to 6D would be a downgrade in quite a few ways. DON'T DO IT!

80D has a 24MP APS-C sensor, an ISO range of 100 to 16000 (expandable to 25600) and can shoot at 7 frames per second. It has a 100% coverage viewfinder and a 45-point AF system with all points "dual axis/cross type", that's able to focus as low as -3 EV and is able to focus f/8 lens/teleconverter combos. 80D has a shutter with 1/8000 top speed and 1/250 flash sync.

The five year older 6D "Mark 1" has a 20MP full frame sensor, an ISO range of 100 to 25600 (expandable to 50 and 102400), maxes out at 4.5 frames per second. It has a 97% viewfinder and an 11-point AF system with a single center point that's "dual axis/cross type". That center point is -3 EV capable, but the other ten aren't. The 6D cannot be used with lens/teleconverter combos with any less than f/5.6 effective aperture. 6D has top shutter speed of 1/4000 and 1/180 flash sync.

The only way the 6D is superior is it's low light capabilities... But the 80D is no slouch at that, either.

I would recommend you....

EITHER get a later, spend more for a newer, better full frame camera....

OR, just learn to use your 80D for portraiture and the other subjects you like to shoot. It's perfectly capable of it.

And FYI.... LENSES would do more for you than upgrading the camera would. For portraiture, without breaking the bank get 50mm f/1.4 USM and 85mm f/1.8 USM. For landscape photography, try the EF-S 10-22mm USM or the relatively inexpensive EF-S 10-18mm STM lens. For street photography, Canon offers an EF-S 24mm "pancake" lens that's very compact and unobtrusive, but you may want something with a larger aperture.

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Jul 21, 2019 09:55:35   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA
 
BebuLamar wrote:
If it works fine for you then you have no reason to switch to FF. However, I never bought a crop camera only for the reason that it has no crop factor. Although the crop factor is an artificially invented term it causes a lot of confusion.

Artificially contrived in as much as the field of view is smaller, cropping a portion of the full frame???

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Jul 21, 2019 10:46:39   #
jackm1943 Loc: Omaha, Nebraska
 
Hans2675 wrote:
Hi, I'm questioning if I should sell my Canon 80d for a used 6d full frame. I'm perfectly happy with the 80d and the crop sensor and I also don't feel like it's limiting me yet in my photography. Just considering it because of most of the things I read when it comes to Focal lengths seem to always be in regards to full frame cameras. For example this lens and Focal length is best for portraits or this Focal length for landscapes. I'm well aware I can use a smaller length to compensate for the 1.6 crop to to equal a suggested length, but just feel like the availability isn't there and I'm beginning to look at higher end lenses "L" lenses and feel like they'd be best suited with a full frame. Photography is definitely something I'm going to continue to do and may quite possibly pursue as a career in the future. Right now mostly take landscapes and street photography, but would like to begin to dabble and learn some portraiture. Selling my 80d and buying a used 6d with a low shutter count would basically be an even trade for me. Thanks in advance for everyone's help.
Hi, I'm questioning if I should sell my Canon 80d ... (show quote)

As a former 6D owner I would day no. The 6D is a nice camera but the 80D has so many more useful features, especially the articulated touch screen, that I would think more than makes up for being crop framed.

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Jul 21, 2019 10:48:38   #
uhaas2009
 
If you would jump to 5mk4 I would understand you. I wouldn’t sell the 80d, I would save the money and buy the 6d even used. The 6d reminded me of the older rebel and a hell heck of software, but I didn’t used just for 2hours to say more......

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Jul 21, 2019 10:52:46   #
bleirer
 
Longshadow wrote:
Artificially contrived in as much as the field of view is smaller, cropping a portion of the full frame???


Full frame is crop relative to medium format and medium format is crop relative to 4 x 5 and 4 x5 is crop relative to 8 x 10. It's become the standard to make it relative to 35mm film. No big deal.

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Jul 21, 2019 10:57:38   #
nadelewitz Loc: Ithaca NY
 
Hans2675 wrote:
Hi, I'm questioning if I should sell my Canon 80d for a used 6d full frame. I'm perfectly happy with the 80d and the crop sensor and I also don't feel like it's limiting me yet in my photography. Just considering it because of most of the things I read when it comes to Focal lengths seem to always be in regards to full frame cameras. For example this lens and Focal length is best for portraits or this Focal length for landscapes. I'm well aware I can use a smaller length to compensate for the 1.6 crop to to equal a suggested length, but just feel like the availability isn't there and I'm beginning to look at higher end lenses "L" lenses and feel like they'd be best suited with a full frame. Photography is definitely something I'm going to continue to do and may quite possibly pursue as a career in the future. Right now mostly take landscapes and street photography, but would like to begin to dabble and learn some portraiture. Selling my 80d and buying a used 6d with a low shutter count would basically be an even trade for me. Thanks in advance for everyone's help.
Hi, I'm questioning if I should sell my Canon 80d ... (show quote)


You don't give a compelling reason to switch to full-frame. You give reasons NOT to switch.
L lenses are fine on the crop camera.
If you have EF-S lenses, they won't fit a full-frame body. Only crop-sensor bodies.
EF lenses work on either body.

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Jul 21, 2019 11:08:49   #
bleirer
 
When you are ready to upgrade mirrorless seems to be the future. The RP is a nice camera, full frame 26 megapixels, fair dynamic range, good in low light, a value at $1300 new. Sony and Nikon make excellent full frame mirrorless under or around $2000. There will be new models announced in 2020 if you can wait. Decide on a quality lens system that can last over multiple body upgrades into the future.

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Jul 21, 2019 11:19:16   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, IN, USA
 
bleirer wrote:
When you are ready to upgrade mirrorless seems to be the future. The RP is a nice camera, full frame 26 megapixels, fair dynamic range, good in low light, a value at $1300 new. Sony and Nikon make excellent full frame mirrorless under or around $2000. There will be new models announced in 2020 if you can wait. Decide on a quality lens system that can last over multiple body upgrades into the future.

OP needs to evaluate actual MILC and "FF" cameras and decide what benefit comes from each.

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Jul 21, 2019 11:45:04   #
Chuckwal Loc: West Palm Beach Florida
 
Love my 6D as backup have 6D ii ff
chuck

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Jul 21, 2019 11:49:55   #
jaycoffman Loc: San Diego
 
These kind of questions help us all (or maybe just me) re-evaluate why we've made certain decisions and are, therefore, helpful to us all.

About six months ago I switched from crop frame (Nikon d7100 w/ Tamron 18-400 lens plus Nikon 50mm 1/4 lens) for a mirrorless Sony a7iii w/ Sony 24-105mm lens. By trading in all my other gear I didn't break even but the sting of the cash output was reduced.

It's fun learning a new system but I am struggling at times. I got quite a bit of what I wanted in that the IQ and low light performance of the Sony far exceeds the Nikon I had. I am concerned about my (temporary) loss of reach and so far haven't found a longer lens that I like for the Sony but in general I can crop around most of the situations where I need it. When I next go on an animal safari or trek I'll need to look into that. Since my preferred subject matter is subject related (as opposed to scene related) I do miss the reach but it's more than made up for in low light and overall image performance. I'm happy I made the change.

You state you have time and may even turn professional at some point. I'd suggest the change to full frame may suit you well although you will lose some things going to ff. But once you change you'll adapt to what you lose and be better set up for the landscapes you like to shoot and probably for portraits too. Have fun.

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