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Jul 12, 2019 10:09:45   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
Lucroy did not have the ball so he should not have been blocking Marisnick's path to home plate under the new rules. I don't understand why Marisnick is being suspended.

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Jul 12, 2019 11:30:39   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
SteveR wrote:
Lucroy did not have the ball so he should not have been blocking Marisnick's path to home plate under the new rules. I don't understand why Marisnick is being suspended.


You need to look a little closer at the video. Lucroy had his left foot on the first base side of the plate, (sort of behind) but not blocking the approaching Marisnick from the 3rd base side. Also, Lucroy's left foot is on the infield side of the 3rd base line. In other words, half of the plate is clearly accessible to Marisnick. Marisnick could have easily slid into home on the outside of the line and reached in with his left hand and completely avoided running into Lucroy. This is very clear. One other thing, Marisnick clearly deviated to the left about 8 feet before home and he purposely plowed into Lucroy head first.

The new rule is clearly designed to keep both runner and catcher safe from head and other bodily injuries as the runner has about a 50/50 chance that by running full steam into the still standing catcher he would be knocked so silly that he can't hang onto the ball. I think the bastard should be rung up on some kind of assault charges personally! He should also have to pay for all Lucroy's medical bills.

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Jul 13, 2019 06:45:51   #
jaymatt Loc: Alexandria, Indiana
 
jeep_daddy wrote:
You need to look a little closer at the video. Lucroy had his left foot on the first base side of the plate, (sort of behind) but not blocking the approaching Marisnick from the 3rd base side. Also, Lucroy's left foot is on the infield side of the 3rd base line. In other words, half of the plate is clearly accessible to Marisnick. Marisnick could have easily slid into home on the outside of the line and reached in with his left hand and completely avoided running into Lucroy. This is very clear. One other thing, Marisnick clearly deviated to the left about 8 feet before home and he purposely plowed into Lucroy head first.

The new rule is clearly designed to keep both runner and catcher safe from head and other bodily injuries as the runner has about a 50/50 chance that by running full steam into the still standing catcher he would be knocked so silly that he can't hang onto the ball. I think the bastard should be rung up on some kind of assault charges personally! He should also have to pay for all Lucroy's medical bills.
You need to look a little closer at the video. Lu... (show quote)



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Jul 13, 2019 07:45:19   #
sumo Loc: Houston suburb
 
jeep_daddy wrote:
You need to look a little closer at the video. Lucroy had his left foot on the first base side of the plate, (sort of behind) but not blocking the approaching Marisnick from the 3rd base side. Also, Lucroy's left foot is on the infield side of the 3rd base line. In other words, half of the plate is clearly accessible to Marisnick. Marisnick could have easily slid into home on the outside of the line and reached in with his left hand and completely avoided running into Lucroy. This is very clear. One other thing, Marisnick clearly deviated to the left about 8 feet before home and he purposely plowed into Lucroy head first.

The new rule is clearly designed to keep both runner and catcher safe from head and other bodily injuries as the runner has about a 50/50 chance that by running full steam into the still standing catcher he would be knocked so silly that he can't hang onto the ball. I think the bastard should be rung up on some kind of assault charges personally! He should also have to pay for all Lucroy's medical bills.
You need to look a little closer at the video. Lu... (show quote)



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Jul 13, 2019 07:47:09   #
BobHartung Loc: Bettendorf, IA
 
SteveR wrote:
Lucroy did not have the ball so he should not have been blocking Marisnick's path to home plate under the new rules. I don't understand why Marisnick is being suspended.


The bigger question is "Who cares?"

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Jul 13, 2019 08:10:40   #
Collhar Loc: New York City.
 
BobHartung wrote:
The bigger question is "Who cares?"


So true. I have no idea who these people are.

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Jul 13, 2019 08:27:02   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
jeep_daddy wrote:
You need to look a little closer at the video. Lucroy had his left foot on the first base side of the plate, (sort of behind) but not blocking the approaching Marisnick from the 3rd base side. Also, Lucroy's left foot is on the infield side of the 3rd base line. In other words, half of the plate is clearly accessible to Marisnick. Marisnick could have easily slid into home on the outside of the line and reached in with his left hand and completely avoided running into Lucroy. This is very clear. One other thing, Marisnick clearly deviated to the left about 8 feet before home and he purposely plowed into Lucroy head first.

The new rule is clearly designed to keep both runner and catcher safe from head and other bodily injuries as the runner has about a 50/50 chance that by running full steam into the still standing catcher he would be knocked so silly that he can't hang onto the ball. I think the bastard should be rung up on some kind of assault charges personally! He should also have to pay for all Lucroy's medical bills.
You need to look a little closer at the video. Lu... (show quote)


To BobHartung and Collhar my response would be...if the headline doesn't pique your interest or you don't know what it is....why open it?

Jeep Daddy.....I went back to the tape. If you'll look closely, Lucroy's back foot is blocking the plate at the very beginning of the play, as the ball is in the air. As Marisnick takes the inside path, Lucroy moves forward. Based on the fact that Lucroy's back foot was blocking home plate, interference should be the call. Look closely and let me know what you think. Here's the slo-mo video showing Lucroy's foot blocking the plate:

https://www.12up.com/posts/video-astros-jake-marisnick-destroys-angels-catcher-jonathan-lucroy-in-nasty-home-plate-collision-01df79cmk7p2

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Jul 13, 2019 09:25:51   #
av8nbuff Loc: Rock and Roll Capital, Cleveland, Ohio
 
As a former catcher in the high school and college ranks, I say: "I care".

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Jul 13, 2019 09:33:25   #
Busbum Loc: 85367
 
I think if you look real close at the path that Marisnick took, he went out of the baseline, and deliberately ran into Lucroy, this I think is what got him suspended... Lucroy was not blocking the plate regardless if his foot is near the foul line!!!
Just my $.02 worth

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Jul 13, 2019 09:34:49   #
fourlocks Loc: Londonderry, NH
 
[quote=jeep_daddy]You need to look a little closer at the video. Lucroy had his left foot on the first base side of the plate, (sort of behind) but not blocking the approaching Marisnick from the 3rd base side. Also, Lucroy's left foot is on the infield side of the 3rd base line. In other words, half of the plate is clearly accessible to Marisnick. Marisnick could have easily slid into home on the outside of the line and reached in with his left hand and completely avoided running into Lucroy. This is very clear. One other thing, Marisnick clearly deviated to the left about 8 feet before home and he purposely plowed into Lucroy head first.

I have to agree with jeep-daddy. In one of the videos, you can clearly see that Lucroy was not on the baseline and leaned about 2 feet to his right, away from the baseline, as he tried to catch the ball. From that same angle, you can see Marsnick take his last couple of steps to his left, off the baseline, in order to squarely hit Lucroy. Yes, catchers often block the plate but this was simply a blatant cheap shot on Marsnick's part.

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Jul 13, 2019 09:37:23   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
Busbum wrote:
I think if you look real close at the path that Marisnick took, he went out of the baseline, and deliberately ran into Lucroy, this I think is what got him suspended... Lucroy was not blocking the plate regardless if his foot is near the foul line!!!
Just my $.02 worth


The question is, who's moving into whom? Watch Lucroy's movement. From the point where his foot is at the back of home plate, he moves forward into Marisnick's path while he's in the process of catching the ball. Lucroy should have been forward at the beginning of the play and allowed Marisnick a clear path to the plate since he did NOT have the ball in his possession. My prediction is that, upon review, the suspension will be overturned. I played catcher for years and took a few hits....but always with the ball in my glove. At first I didn't like the new rule, but considering the size and athleticism of today's MLB players and the salaries that they command these days, it's only prudent.

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Jul 13, 2019 09:47:18   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
[quote=fourlocks]
jeep_daddy wrote:
You need to look a little closer at the video. Lucroy had his left foot on the first base side of the plate, (sort of behind) but not blocking the approaching Marisnick from the 3rd base side. Also, Lucroy's left foot is on the infield side of the 3rd base line. In other words, half of the plate is clearly accessible to Marisnick. Marisnick could have easily slid into home on the outside of the line and reached in with his left hand and completely avoided running into Lucroy. This is very clear. One other thing, Marisnick clearly deviated to the left about 8 feet before home and he purposely plowed into Lucroy head first.

I have to agree with jeep-daddy. In one of the videos, you can clearly see that Lucroy was not on the baseline and leaned about 2 feet to his right, away from the baseline, as he tried to catch the ball. From that same angle, you can see Marsnick take his last couple of steps to his left, off the baseline, in order to squarely hit Lucroy. Yes, catchers often block the plate but this was simply a blatant cheap shot on Marsnick's part.
You need to look a little closer at the video. Lu... (show quote)


I appreciate your perspective, fourlocks. I look at this play from the perspective of a former catcher. Lucroy was moving all over the place, which was the biggest problem....and without the ball. With today's rule he should have been in front of the plate until he caught the ball and then attempted to make the tag. However, once he had the ball he could move into the baseline. The problem was that he was not in front of the plate at the beginning of the play while he was waiting for the ball to arrive.

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Jul 13, 2019 09:47:44   #
av8nbuff Loc: Rock and Roll Capital, Cleveland, Ohio
 
I totally agree with Jeepdaddy's post. I donned the tools of ignorance and was a catcher in the high school and the college ranks and even then, when it was kind of "macho" to stand your ground and don't let them pass, I positioned myself inside the lines and in front of home plate to allow the runner the outside part of the plate...thus minimizing the risk of such a collision and more importantly, to shorten the length of the throw being made to me. In football, rules have been established to protect the receiver who is in an extremely vulnerable position, concentrating on catching the ball and being unaware of the defender and baseball has followed football's lead. Collisions have ruined the careers of players like Ray Fosse of the Indians and Daryl Stingley of the New England Patriots.
One final thought. I'm not saying to rush out and do this, but to those who haven't played the game or profess indifference, consider this. Turn your head 90 degrees to your right and have someone take a 90 foot running start and blast into you, imagine the pain. Thank you for letting me post and vent.

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Jul 13, 2019 09:53:30   #
Busbum Loc: 85367
 
I'm sorry, he was moving forward to the ball, he was 3 feet in front of home plate, when trying to catch the ball on the infield side of the foul line and Marishnick went out of his way to hit him, because he knew he was going to be out if Lucroy caught the ball... Marishnick did have a clear path if he decided not to go after Lucroy, simple as that... The players should always avoid this type of contact, its baseball, not football!!!

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Jul 13, 2019 09:58:24   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
av8nbuff wrote:
I totally agree with Jeepdaddy's post. I donned the tools of ignorance and was a catcher in the high school and the college ranks and even then, when it was kind of "macho" to stand your ground and don't let them pass, I positioned myself inside the lines and in front of home plate to allow the runner the outside part of the plate...thus minimizing the risk of such a collision and more importantly, to shorten the length of the throw being made to me. In football, rules have been established to protect the receiver who is in an extremely vulnerable position, concentrating on catching the ball and being unaware of the defender and baseball has followed football's lead. Collisions have ruined the careers of players like Ray Fosse of the Indians and Daryl Stingley of the New England Patriots.
One final thought. I'm not saying to rush out and do this, but to those who haven't played the game or profess indifference, consider this. Turn your head 90 degrees to your right and have someone take a 90 foot running start and blast into you, imagine the pain. Thank you for letting me post and vent.
I totally agree with Jeepdaddy's post. I donned th... (show quote)


If you call them the "tools of ignorance" then you just got shoved behind the plate to fill a need without a love for the position. Sad. Some of us loved being in on every pitch and knew the ins and outs of the position, which is why I know that Lucroy screwed up.

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