What would our Founding Fathers do? Ever wonder if the Founding Fathers were Anti-Choice when it came to a******n? Here's an interesting article to start your day.

Frank T Loc: New York, NY

Ever wonder if the Founding Fathers were Anti-Choice when it came to a******n?
Here's an interesting article to start your day.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/23/opinion/anti-a******n-history.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

Rose42

Frank T wrote:

Ever wonder if the Founding Fathers were Anti-Choice when it came to a******n?
Here's an interesting article to start your day.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/23/opinion/anti-a******n-history.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

Yet another pro death article claiming its a woman's "right" to k**l the most innocent of life.

Frank T Loc: New York, NY

Rose42 wrote:

Yet another pro death article claiming its a woman's "right" to k**l the most innocent of life.

Did you actually read the article or is this your initial reaction to something you disagree with?

LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America

Frank T wrote:

Did you actually read the article or is this your initial reaction to something you disagree with?

We both know you didn't read it.

From your link:

'America’s deeply religious founding fathers, a******n was allowed until the fetus was “quick” — when the woman could feel the fetus move.'

FrumCA

Frank T wrote:

Ever wonder if the Founding Fathers were Anti-Choice when it came to a******n?
Here's an interesting article to start your day.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/23/opinion/anti-a******n-history.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

Unfortunately a subscription to the NYT is needed to read this.

Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa

Frank T wrote:

Ever wonder if the Founding Fathers were Anti-Choice when it came to a******n?
Here's an interesting article to start your day.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/23/opinion/anti-a******n-history.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

So, little Frankie, you are going back 150 years or more in an attempt to justify murdering a baby? Science and understanding life have vastly improved in the last 150 years and we are moving past murder as a viable option.

This is not an issue about women's rights or the right of a woman to control her own body. You want to control your own body, use birth control, not murder. And don't yap about rape, or incest, that is a minute piece of what is going on.

Rose42

Frank T wrote:

Did you actually read the article or is this your initial reaction to something you disagree with?

I did. Its the usual pro death rationalizing for k*****g innocent life.

The founding fathers got this one wrong.

LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America

Rose42 wrote:

I did. Its the usual pro death rationalizing for k*****g innocent life.

The founding fathers got this one wrong.

And they know most l*****ts will never read it.

The 'quickening' was an 18th/19th century measurement that the child was in fact alive and acting independently ... much as the newer ability to measure a fetal heartbeat does today.

Frank, in his haste to obediently toss out his pro death thread of the day, has came out against later tea a******ns.

That is quite a progressive movement on his part.

Bravo Frank.

FrumCA

Elaine2025 wrote:

So, little Frankie, you are going back 150 years or more in an attempt to justify murdering a baby? Science and understanding life have vastly improved in the last 150 years and we are moving past murder as a viable option.

This is not an issue about women's rights or the right of a woman to control her own body. You want to control your own body, use birth control, not murder. And don't yap about rape, or incest, that is a minute piece of what is going on.

boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander

The piece is labeled OPINION. Therefore no facts are necessary.

Frank T Loc: New York, NY

Elaine2025 wrote:

So, little Frankie, you are going back 150 years or more in an attempt to justify murdering a baby? Science and understanding life have vastly improved in the last 150 years and we are moving past murder as a viable option.

This is not an issue about women's rights or the right of a woman to control her own body. You want to control your own body, use birth control, not murder. And don't yap about rape, or incest, that is a minute piece of what is going on.

Isn't that the place you go to justify semi-automatic weapons for anyone?
What this is, little girl is an issue about controlling women and in particular poor women.
When they made a******ns illegal, rich women still got a******ns. It was and always has been about men controlling women. Just think little girl. Guys like me can tell you what to do with your uterus.
Are you really comfortable with that?

Frank T Loc: New York, NY

LWW wrote:

And they know most l*****ts will never read it.

The 'quickening' was an 18th/19th century measurement that the child was in fact alive and acting independently ... much as the newer ability to measure a fetal heartbeat does today.

Frank, in his haste to obediently toss out his pro death thread of the day, has came out against later tea a******ns.

That is quite a progressive movement on his part.

Bravo Frank.

What you perceive as a heartbeat is not a measure of viability.
If you were to give birth at 18 weeks, it would be a miscarriage, not a birthday.

EyeSawYou

Frank T wrote:

Ever wonder if the Founding Fathers were Anti-Choice when it came to a******n?
Here's an interesting article to start your day.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/23/opinion/anti-a******n-history.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

The founding Fathers also probably believed in bloodletting as well, they also didn't have the luxury of using an ultrasound.

EyeSawYou

Frank T wrote:

What you perceive as a heartbeat is not a measure of viability.
If you were to give birth at 18 weeks, it would be a miscarriage, not a birthday.

If YOU were taken out of your environment such as put out in space with no life support, you would die as well even though you had a heartbeat beforehand.

yhtomit Loc: Port Land. Oregon

Frank T wrote:

Ever wonder if the Founding Fathers were Anti-Choice when it came to a******n?
Here's an interesting article to start your day.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/23/opinion/anti-a******n-history.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

Pushing subscriptions for the NYT is pro choice?