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Jun 19, 2019 16:07:42   #
Buss Marple
 
I have both Topaz Denoise A.I. & Sharpen AI. If I’m going to use both on an image, which one would I use First? Why? Thanks.

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Jun 19, 2019 16:20:51   #
bleirer
 
I don't use those, but I've read a lot, you don't want to sharpen noise, that could produce artifacts, so denoise first.

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Jun 19, 2019 16:52:14   #
Soul Dr. Loc: Beautiful Shenandoah Valley
 
Sharpen should always be one of the last things to do in PP.

will

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Jun 19, 2019 18:40:32   #
Cwilson341 Loc: Central Florida
 
I think they are both marvelous programs. I generally see DeNoise very early in my work flow if it is needed and Sharpen as one of the last steps.

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Jun 20, 2019 00:50:37   #
Buss Marple
 
Thanks to all. It sounded reasonable once I saw your replies. I've been working in LR with some of my images. Did I say "working"? Playing is more like it.
Thank you.

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Jun 20, 2019 08:06:02   #
dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida
 
I would say denoise, getting rid of the static before fine-tuning the edges. I have the latest deNoise as a result of having had Topaz deNoise from day one... No cost upgrade.

My sequence is deNoise, Detail, then adjust contrast and color with Clarity. Following those any crazy plugin playing. One webinar said to deNoise if you adjust the size before printing.

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Jun 20, 2019 09:44:49   #
bajadreamer Loc: Baja California Sur
 
I upgraded to Topaz Denoise AI recently and have been disappointed with the presence of a blue halo around many of my images that I have used the program on. I see this even at very low levels. I am processing RAW files (Canon). I do not see the halo with I sharpen using Topaz Sharpen AI which includes sharpening. Anyone else seeing this? I typically would use Denoise as my first step after transferring the image from Canon DPP.
Granted, the halo is difficult to see at "normal" resolutions but if I go to 100-200% it is very apparent.

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Jun 20, 2019 09:57:10   #
dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida
 
I have not tried my new deNoise AI... if a problem, then I have the older one. Historically, Topaz improves and debugs at no additional charge. Do I use Topaz Studio? NO... sticking with my old standbys using them in edit programs.

Clarification... the webinar actually said that deNoise is applied the second time before printing if you have changed the image size.

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Jun 20, 2019 16:51:33   #
steveg48
 
Soul Dr. wrote:
Sharpen should always be one of the last things to do in PP.

will


Not exactly. There are 3 types of sharpening: capture, creative, output.
Capture sharpening should be done first to compensate for the demosaicing process in the camera.

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Jun 20, 2019 17:49:08   #
chasgroh Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
bajadreamer wrote:
I upgraded to Topaz Denoise AI recently and have been disappointed with the presence of a blue halo around many of my images that I have used the program on. I see this even at very low levels. I am processing RAW files (Canon). I do not see the halo with I sharpen using Topaz Sharpen AI which includes sharpening. Anyone else seeing this? I typically would use Denoise as my first step after transferring the image from Canon DPP.
Granted, the halo is difficult to see at "normal" resolutions but if I go to 100-200% it is very apparent.
I upgraded to Topaz Denoise AI recently and have b... (show quote)


...can't help thinking it's not the software, at least the "Topaz" software. You know your workflow, could it be "something" before you use the Topaz program?

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Jun 20, 2019 17:54:36   #
bajadreamer Loc: Baja California Sur
 
chasgroh wrote:
...can't help thinking it's not the software, at least the "Topaz" software. You know your workflow, could it be "something" before you use the Topaz program?


No. Workflow is the same as it has always been. Originally I would use the original Topaz DeNoise program on the entire image and then use the history brush in Photoshop to erase the noise reduction (from 50-100%) from the subject (birds). Once I upgraded to the DeNoise AI, the blue halo started to show up. If I try to use the history brush on the subject, it is difficult to remove the halo. I get the halo even when I set the sliders on the DeNoise AI to zero. If I sharpen via original Topaz Denoise, use the history brush to erase the noise reduction on my subject and then follow up with Topaz Sharpen AI with the noise reduction slider set to .1-.5, I get no halo.
So, it is something inherent in the new Topaz DeNoise AI program.

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Jun 20, 2019 18:19:27   #
LiamRowan Loc: Michigan
 
bajadreamer wrote:
I upgraded to Topaz Denoise AI recently and have been disappointed with the presence of a blue halo around many of my images that I have used the program on. I see this even at very low levels. I am processing RAW files (Canon). I do not see the halo with I sharpen using Topaz Sharpen AI which includes sharpening. Anyone else seeing this? I typically would use Denoise as my first step after transferring the image from Canon DPP.
Granted, the halo is difficult to see at "normal" resolutions but if I go to 100-200% it is very apparent.
I upgraded to Topaz Denoise AI recently and have b... (show quote)


Yes, I experience this, too. A fairly effective way to deal with this has been to check Remove Chromatic Aberration option in LR before opening in DN. There is a slider in the DN panel that allows you to apply the % strength of DN, I bump that down until the aberration is either gone or tolerable. I find there is a "sweet spot" where a majority of the noise is gone, the details of the photo are enhanced or preserved, and this issue is either gone or minor. For me, this aberration is almost always aqua. So if there's a little left, I desaturate the color aqua in Lightroom and the end result can be pretty much perfect.

The % of DN required varies according to the level of noise, sharpness, and color qualities of each image, so there is no exact formula. So you want to find your sweet spot before hitting the apply button (use preview, in other words." Hope this helps!

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Jun 20, 2019 19:02:04   #
bajadreamer Loc: Baja California Sur
 
LiamRowan wrote:
Yes, I experience this, too. A fairly effective way to deal with this has been to check Remove Chromatic Aberration option in LR before opening in DN. There is a slider in the DN panel that allows you to apply the % strength of DN, I bump that down until the aberration is either gone or tolerable. I find there is a "sweet spot" where a majority of the noise is gone, the details of the photo are enhanced or preserved, and this issue is either gone or minor. For me, this aberration is almost always aqua. So if there's a little left, I desaturate the color aqua in Lightroom and the end result can be pretty much perfect.

The % of DN required varies according to the level of noise, sharpness, and color qualities of each image, so there is no exact formula. So you want to find your sweet spot before hitting the apply button (use preview, in other words." Hope this helps!
Yes, I experience this, too. A fairly effective w... (show quote)


Thank you. I will try that. I liked the ease of use and the results of the DeNoise AI program, other than the halo.

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Jun 20, 2019 21:49:02   #
Kletzentono
 
Demovideo first because you don’t want to sharpen noise first. I agree with the other two replies.

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