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Jun 19, 2019 19:21:04   #
Eric2018 Loc: Los Angeles, CA, USA
 
Some speculation -- (I am not a lawyer so the following is worth no more than you are paying for it) --

I think he filed in Tx State court because he couldn't get damages for copyright infringement due to governmental immunity as to tort claims. So rather than sue for infringement, which would "normally" be done in federal court, he sued on another theory, that the University of Houston "took" his property (copyright). The University quickly took the images off of its website when Olive sent the cease and desist letter.
It looks like the University challenged the sufficiency of the complaint ("plea to the jurisdiction" sounds like a motion to dismiss for lack of subject matter jurisdiction), and the trial court denied that challenge, but the Court of Appeals reversed, holding that infringement of a copyright is not a "taking" for which a governmental entity must compensate the copyright holder. The Porter case was similar in that Mr. Oswald's heir sued for the diminution in value of the copyright after Oswald's writings were published in the Warren Report.
Sometimes copyright holders seek "statutory" damages rather than lost profits or disgorgement of ill-gotten gains, but there is no money in "statutory" damages unless the infringement was willful, and the University avoided a willfulness complaint by promptly taking the image off of their website as soon as Olive made his demand.
Sometimes it is better to take a simple win (no more infringing by the University) rather than try to pump up a case for which there is precedent going against you. Olive can still sell his images -- the University didn't destroy them, as pointed out by the Court of Appeals near the end of the opinion.

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Jun 19, 2019 19:23:19   #
Scruples Loc: Brooklyn, New York
 
LEGALDR wrote:
I just noted a case which many of the hoggers may be interested in. It is out of the Texas Court of Appeals, 1st District. I have attached the courts opinion.


WOW! If the state won't hire a competing photographer, they will legal wrangle them straight off the memory card. I was under the impression that cityscapes are under public domain. I guess I'm wrong. Tell that to every tourist that comes to New York City, to hand over their cameras when they are going through customs. I think that if a photographer hires a helicopter risks his or her life taking photos, they should be compensated. It would definitely outside my realm to suspend myself from a helicopter. As for 35 pages, I fell asleep at page twelve. I will print it out and hand it to a friend who is a Federal Court Judge. I wonder if the intrepid photographer could have sold the photos to a historical archive. A while back, I read a book titled, "The Copyright Zone". Interesting but I never heard of a scenario like this

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Jun 19, 2019 19:28:35   #
Eric2018 Loc: Los Angeles, CA, USA
 
bpulv wrote:
If the university published the photograph without the copyright notice and then a non-government company used it as was stated, could the photographer recover from that non-government entity or any other non-government entity that also used copies of photograph that they obtained that did not have the copyright information printed on them? I.e., did the university's actions effectively deprive the photographer of all of his copyright protections? Is there a lawyer reading this that can answer those questions?
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I believe the copyright holder can sue anyone in the chain of infringers, be it the University, Forbes, or anyone else who used the photo without permission. I'm not a lawyer, so this is not legal advice, and in any event it is worth only as much as you pay for it.

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Jun 19, 2019 19:31:33   #
Eric2018 Loc: Los Angeles, CA, USA
 
amfoto1 wrote:
I ain't no lawyer, but I agree with you.

As best I can tell reading that legalese (I started losing it on page 4)....

The lawyer was versed in property rights and pleading in local and/or state courts on the grounds of "improper taking of property" under what's commonly called "eminent domain"...

This should have been an intellectual property rights lawyer, arguing the case in federal court!

The background states the image copyright was registered with the US Copyright office. If not registered, a case involving misuse can only be heard in local court ("small claims") AND only qualifies for "reasonable usage fees", if found in favor of the plaintiff.

But, once the image copyright has been registered, as this one appears to have been....

1. Potential users are responsible for searching the U.S. Copyright database to check an image's status.

2. Any misuse case qualifies to be heard in federal courts experienced in just this sort of case.

3. Awards for copyright infringement and unapproved use can be far more than just "usage fees". At the court's discretion, an award can include:
- Reasonable usage fees.
- General penalties for misuse.
- Additional penalties for deliberate removal of copyright protections (as was the case here), up to $30,000 per instance.
- Reimbursement of plaintiff's legal expenses.
- Liability for further misuse of image by other parties.

This can easily add up to tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars. A lot more than a few hundred dollars of "usage fees".

An intellectual property attorney should know all this and more. And, assuming the background info is accurate, this case should never have been brought to a local or state court, or argued in the way it was.

On the whole, intellectual property also shouldn't be subject to "eminent domain", which appears to be how the university is getting out of paying in this case. Eminent domain is based upon a "greater good" need for a physical piece of property. And, even under eminent domain there should "fair compensation". (Years ago I new some of the family whose multi-generational ranch was taken under those laws... to became the Air Force Academy in Colorado. According to them, they never got fair compensation for it.)

Even under eminent domain, I just don't see how it could ever be argued that there was some overriding societal need for this guy's image to appear in the university's promotional pieces. There may be a few exceptions, but I'd think this would be the case with most copyright or intellectual property ownership of any type... in only very rare instances would eminent domain apply.

Finally, it appears that the university's use of the image led to further misuse by other parties, who were unaware of the copyright status of the image... on the one hand, that further misuse was because the university had deliberately removed copyright protections... and on the other hand, the further misuse occurred because government itself cannot own or copyright intellectual property... Aand, because it appeared on the university's website, someone could assume the image was in the public domain and free to use. As far as I'm concerned, the university is liable for this misuse, too. It would probably be difficult to find the other parties who used it at fault.

And, I wouldn't be surprised if the photographer would have been happy to donate use of his image to the university, if they'd simply asked... so long as they gave him proper credit and protected his copyright.
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Very thorough analysis, Alan (no matter what gear you have or use).

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Jun 19, 2019 20:04:25   #
repleo Loc: Boston
 
As I read it, the Court said the case is a 'Tort' case, not a 'takings' case. Tort claims against a Texas government entity requires the prior permission of the State in order to sue and the case has to be brought within 6 months. No doubt the photographer missed the deadline which is why the lawyers tried-unsuccessfully- to pursue the 'takings' route.
Lesson learned is that if the State infringes your copyright don't hang around negotiating with them. Go for the throat and file your claim ASAP.

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Jun 19, 2019 20:30:07   #
User ID
 
robertjerl wrote:

Actually he wrote that as coming from a villain who
is plotting how to take over the country and become
a tyrant.

In his speech about how to accomplish that he said:
"The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers."


Thaz just beside the point. More to the
point, he wrote the Merchant of Venice.

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Jun 19, 2019 20:38:43   #
Doc Barry Loc: Huntsville, Alabama USA
 
Olive should have just settled for a pair of season tickets to the Texas U. football games.

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Jun 19, 2019 21:25:54   #
Vienna74 Loc: Bountiful, Utah now Panama
 
Maybe I should give it up, but I am going to take one more stab at the issue. Despite the overreaction and misinterpretation that abounds in the commentary in this thread, This is not a threatening decision. It is not about enforcing a copyright and it will have little impact outside of Texas. If a company or person in Texas violates that same copyright, the photographer can still sue for damages.

This case stands for a narrow proposition: a copyright violation by a government entity is not a "taking" under the 5th Amendment. That is all. Violation of a copyright is fundamentally different from taking all value from the property owner. All the plaintiff lost was revenue from one use of his copyrighted photo. He could still license it or sell it to others and was still protected by his copyright. Under the doctrine of sovereign immunity, he just couldn't sue the university for damages in the manner he still is able to for violations committed by non-government parties.

The rationale behind sovereign immunity is in fact rational, but a much larger topic than is merited in this thread. Just recognize that one of the reasons for this doctrine is to save taxpayers large sums of money not having to pay for constant frivolous lawsuits. It is a statutory compromise that in this particular case has a harsh result, but protects all citizens/taxpayers from a larger risk.

So quit the hysteria and snarky remarks about being screwed by the court and how this is the end of copyright law. No such thing happened or is true. It is a narrow holding and actually has nothing to do with the protection afforded under copyright law.

I feel better now, so I will cease and desist.

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Jun 20, 2019 00:10:19   #
drc023 Loc: North Little Rock, Arkansas
 
I may have overlooked this in the previous five pages of replies, but did Oliver ever send the University of Houston, and possibly Forbes, an invoice for his licensing fee? It seems to me that's what an ethical lawyer would have advised instead of fleecing the client for exorbitant legal fees. This whole scenario reminds me of the joke "What's the difference between a catfish and a lawyer? One is a scum sucking bottom dweller and the other is a fish."

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Jun 20, 2019 00:19:29   #
gompfer1
 
34 pages of legal mumbo jumbo only to have the government do what ever it wants with no recourse.

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Jun 20, 2019 03:38:11   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
robertjerl wrote:
So do most people. Including the "Eagles" in the song "Get Over It".


Oh, yes, the Eagles. Great band. Wow, this song is a far cry from "Take It Easy."

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Jun 20, 2019 03:56:27   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
LEGALDR wrote:
I just noted a case which many of the hoggers may be interested in. It is out of the Texas Court of Appeals, 1st District. I have attached the courts opinion.


Wow, that made my head spin and I'm still not sure what happened. I do have to ask did the photographer ever actually file his photo with the Copyright office - register it. Two copies of the image was appropriate fee. My understanding it has always been you need to do that first before asking for relief or seeking a cease and desist order. Also one may have to prove economic loss to collect from even a private violator let alone a State. One would think that even a state would not violate on purpose an individuals intellectual property rights. Often Copyright cases where compensation is awarded also involve violation of Contract. Contract Law is not Tort Law and operates differently. Personally I think the State of Texas may have ripped off this photographer. But it seems governments have the right to exclude themselves from paying compensation. But I would think if he filed correctly he could force them to stop using his image.

I personally know of a photographer that had a businessman illegally use several of her images and further more had represented them as his own to a second business the reproduced her images on several types of media even with her watermark visible in the "bootleg" goods. She successfully sued him and due to that and his loss of credibility he lost his business and his home from loss of income. She actually got little for the "violation", but did get the bogus images off the market.

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Jun 20, 2019 03:58:24   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
Vienna74 wrote:
Maybe I should give it up, but I am going to take one more stab at the issue. Despite the overreaction and misinterpretation that abounds in the commentary in this thread, This is not a threatening decision. It is not about enforcing a copyright and it will have little impact outside of Texas. If a company or person in Texas violates that same copyright, the photographer can still sue for damages.

This case stands for a narrow proposition: a copyright violation by a government entity is not a "taking" under the 5th Amendment. That is all. Violation of a copyright is fundamentally different from taking all value from the property owner. All the plaintiff lost was revenue from one use of his copyrighted photo. He could still license it or sell it to others and was still protected by his copyright. Under the doctrine of sovereign immunity, he just couldn't sue the university for damages in the manner he still is able to for violations committed by non-government parties.

The rationale behind sovereign immunity is in fact rational, but a much larger topic than is merited in this thread. Just recognize that one of the reasons for this doctrine is to save taxpayers large sums of money not having to pay for constant frivolous lawsuits. It is a statutory compromise that in this particular case has a harsh result, but protects all citizens/taxpayers from a larger risk.

So quit the hysteria and snarky remarks about being screwed by the court and how this is the end of copyright law. No such thing happened or is true. It is a narrow holding and actually has nothing to do with the protection afforded under copyright law.

I feel better now, so I will cease and desist.
Maybe I should give it up, but I am going to take ... (show quote)



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