whlsdn Loc: Colorado

My fancy has turned from the shooting sports to shooting with my Canons. I have some of the old tools in my basement safes that I no longer get out to exercise, and there will be no family inheritors clamoring for most items. I'm 75 and to the point where I want some lenses for my Canon EOS passion more than I want to hang onto shooters I don't use anymore.

I notice some Canon users appear to be shifting gears and selling some fine lenses lately. If there's a chance one of two of you are into other shooting sports as well, maybe someone would be interested in a trade.

I am particularly interested in the possibility of acquiring lenses such as these:
> Canon EF 70-300mm F/4-5.6 II IS USM Lens or the similar Tamron SP 70-300 (for crop sensor T6s)
> A fast prime EF from Canon, Tamron, or Sigma (in that order of preference)
> A long zoom such as a Tamron SP 150-600mm f/5-6.3 Di VC USD G2 Telephoto (A Canon L would be great, but you might expect to empty a whole safe?)

Having just sold my 5D Mark III body, this is what I currently own...and I guess I could upgrade 1 or 2 things here, then turn around and sell the current item:
> Canon EOS R (bought new with RF 24-105 F/4 IS USM and Control Ring Mount Adaptor for EF lenses)
> Canon Rebel T6s (Bought used)
> Also a Canon SX610HS pocket camera and a Canon PowerShot SX530HS point 'n shoot liberated from my granddaughter and replaced with a Canon Rebel T6 w/55-250mm
> Tamron A09 SP AF 28-75 F/2.8 XR Di LD Asph IF Macro
> Canon EF 70-200 F/2.8 L IS USM (excellent old lens bought used last year)
> Canon EF 24-105 F/4 L IS USM Macro (I couldn't let it go with the 5D! Anyone else using this lens on a Rebel?)
> Canon Extender EF 1.4X II (Stretches that old 70-200!)

Mostly, I like shooting - with my Canons - landscapes, wildlife, family gatherings and vacations, and grandchildren sporting events. (The latter opportunities are winding down as my only 2 are about beyond that stage. -sigh-)

I'm not suggesting any illegal, shifty movement of contraband. Just an agreeable exchange of property done properly. PM me if you have both a lens and an interest. I don't have any really high $ items in my collection, but a few gems, some popular semis, useful 12s and 20s (no doubles), a 270, several 22s, some wheels, etc. I may or may not have something you're interested in, but we can find out.

Thanks for looking,
Randy in Colorado

robertjerl Loc: Corona, California

Warning for those of you who don't know:
1. all firearms transfers must go through a licensed FFL dealer with back ground checks done
2. if across state lines there must be a dealer in each state
3. all laws in both states must be complied with also

So "whlsdn" can do everything legally in Colorado but you must also do everything legally in your state.

Otherwise there could be a bunch of felony charges involved. Both state and federal. And on gun charges they each can take a turn prosecuting someone.

I know, I used to work part time for a friend who owned three gun shops.
At an auction I obtained two hunting rifles and a shotgun for my father and brother. They lived in Missouri and I was in California.
They contacted a dealer in Missouri, he contacted my friend's shop. We did all the required paperwork including a background check on me when I obtained the guns through my friend.
Then they were shipped by secure bonded carrier to the shop in Missouri where my father and brother had to go through background checks etc. before they could pick up the guns.

ltj123 Loc: NW Wisconsin

ltj123 Loc: NW Wisconsin

So now Government has record of these arms. This can be good for insurance purposes, but can be bad if gun laws come along and request your arms, legally you would have to do so. Here in Wisconsin I've purchased and sold without and need for legal paperwork to people I know - gun store purchases still need forms and call in, this may soon change here to ALL purchases or transfers. And yes legally if laws change I'd be legally obligated to give up arms whether know by government OR not, but would I??? Actually I've recently reduced guns I own (personal sales, gifts, etc), and probably will continue to do so, .

Alafoto Loc: Montgomery, AL

No records or federal permission required for face to face sales, but as stated before, to ship them from one state to another requires the participation of licensed dealers in each state. I don't think the seller has to fill out the 'yellow sheet' but the buyer will have to and undergo record check before taking possession at the destination. If you have a legal right to own firearms, not a big deal. Except maybe the fee charged by both the shipping dealer and receiving dealer for their services.

cheineck Loc: Hobe Sound, FL

Not in Florida. Trans fer/sale of firearms between friends only requires a bill of sale.

tropics68 Loc: Georgia

Be very very careful shipping a firearm across state lines. A non licensed gun seller must ship the firearm only to a licensed dealer that holds a FFL. It must be shipped via common carrier (you cannot mail it) and the only two that do (Fedex and UPS) require it be shipped via Priority Next Day Air. The cost to do so ranges from expensive to very expensive. Usually a minimum of $125.00 dependant on package weight and destination. One should be sure to get a copy of the buyer's dealer's FFL before shipping and should check online to be sure it is valid. Keep that copy along with a copy of the buyers drivers license with photo in a safe place until you die.

Selling & shipping intrastate rules vary somewhat from state to state but always comply with federal gun transfer laws.

Selling face to face without insuring the buyer can legally own a firearm is also risky. I have done a few of these and I always go through a FFL dealer here locally. I pay the dealer his normal charges to do the background check and transfer. If a buyer balks at this then tell him to move on. Odds are he or she cannot pass the background check and they know it or want to use it for illegal purposes.

whlsdn Loc: Colorado

No arguments from me to any comments here. Thanks for the knowledgeable cautions.

robertjerl Loc: Corona, California

Here in California things are rougher than most for gun owners, sales etc.

My friend used to have a booth at the LA Fair Grounds big annual Crossroads of the West gun show (County killed the show off, and it was one of their big money earners every year, it is now in a few smaller shows at other locations, they now get that money).
One of the main reasons for being there was to do the paperwork, hold guns for the CA waiting period and deliver them for private sales by the hundreds of people wondering around with a gun or two for sale. The place was crawling with uniformed and undercover cops from Federal, State, County and Pomona PD plus Fair Ground Security so the private sellers needed to do the paperwork through an FFL holder or run a high risk of time at the Gray Bar Hotel. With three shops in different parts of the LA Metro Area we got a lot of business for this. Plus they often became customers after picking up a gun from one of the shops. There were times it took two of us just to handle the paperwork for those private sales with a table and computer set up just for that purpose.

A friend from the Army who was a Fed on the anti firearms smuggling task force once called me to ask what I was doing wondering around a show with two 1911 45s. Had to tell him I wasn't at that show and I always worked at my friend's booth when I was at a show. He was worried I would walk up and say "Hey, Don, you still working illegal firearms?" He hid in a restroom with an overflowing toilet for almost 2 hours while his partner watched my doppelganger until the guy left.

robertjerl Loc: Corona, California

Randy, I hope you find people there in Colorado who want to swap. It will make life simpler for you.

DavidPhares Loc: Chandler, Arizona

I have purchased a number of firearms were that post by out of state dealers. They all shipped via UPS or FedEx and they have never been sent either over-night or 2-day delivery. Always to a friend of mine locally who has an FFL. When the gun arrives he gives me a call and I go down and do the paperwork. If I had to pay for the over-night or even 2-day delivery the cost would hve been prohibitive.

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Getting the impression that given the dealer participation
fees, insurance and special shipping prices, you can most
likely just let a local dealer pay you wholesale value, and
spend the proceeds on whatever photo gear you choose
.... yet NOT be disadvantaged financially as compared to
your original intentions of a simple private swap of goods.

Plus, you'd be advantaged in shopping for photo items by
having cash, rather than barter items, for payment ;-)

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whlsdn Loc: Colorado

You could be right! Certainly something to be said for the simplicity of that approach as well.

tropics68 Loc: Georgia

I agree but FedEx and UPS do have regs. requiring next day delivery on firearms. Call them and get it right from the horse's mouth.

You are looking at the transaction from the buyer's viewpoint. You bought a gun from a FFL dealer and did everything legally. How that gun got to your FFL dealer is of no concern to you. You did nothing wrong.

If someday you decide to sell that gun to someone in a different state are you going to hand over your gun for delivery to be shipped ground, when you know the carrier's regulations clearly say the gun must be shipped overnight, or are you going to pay the shipping charges out of your own pocket, or are you going to ask the buyer to pay the freight? Like I said you had better be very careful.

robertjerl Loc: Corona, California

Best you have an FFL dealer ship it to another FFL dealer and just pay the fees and shipping, include them in the price.